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« Reply #240 on: February 21, 2024, 11:00:39 am »

I think we will be safe with more than half a dozen games to play.

In real terms I think we are safe now.
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« Reply #241 on: February 21, 2024, 11:13:49 am »

In real terms I think we are safe now.

And to say that at this stage of the season, is a testament to the hard work put in by Brady, his coaching/fitness staff, the team, and of course the other staff at NTFC.
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« Reply #242 on: February 21, 2024, 11:21:50 am »

It will be a great achievement I agree and all anyone realistically expected.
Is it the limit of our expectations though?
As fans can we not hope for investment to keep us progressing in the right direction?
If we fail to invest and follow the same old story of not being a sustainable league one club with ambitions of progress , what then?
We know what happens
Itís happened before and David bower hasnít come out with a rallying call telling the fans that things will be different this time and we will show ambition rather than have our usual relegation.
Mind you they havenít asked for the season ticket money yet.
Iím certainly not getting carried away by staying up as itís usually the lack of further investment needed (as detailed by KT) that leads us to go in ever decreasing circles.
Il stand by my opinion that if David bower fails to invest in his club or fails to get outside investment and/or business partners to help we will be relegated within the next two campaigns.
Can anyone disagree and if so why?

Can't disagree with much of that and I'm sure most fans harbour the dream of us hitting the heady heights of The Championship.

But... at the moment we are in the third season running where we are probably over achieving. I'm too busy enjoying that to look too far ahead.
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« Reply #243 on: February 21, 2024, 11:29:46 am »

Well lets face it we will never know as we didn't strengthen in January. We could have signed a striker who got 15 goals between January and the end of the season and got us in the play-offs or we could have signed a striker who didn't score a single bloody goal. Like I said, we'll never know. It would be nice to think we will be in the same position again next season but history says otherwise. Plenty of time and games before then.
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« Reply #244 on: February 21, 2024, 11:36:00 am »

And to say that at this stage of the season, is a testament to the hard work put in by Brady, his coaching/fitness staff, the team, and of course the other staff at NTFC.

...and dare I say the owners. You don't get an engaged, high performing set of employees if the owners are sh*t.

They'll have their work cut out again close season with losing a few keys faces, which should be cancelled out with one of them being Hylton.  Tongue
It is going to be an interesting summer break and revised line-up for 2024/25. It'd be great if we can replicate/improve on this season.
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« Reply #245 on: February 21, 2024, 18:58:47 pm »

Sometimes when you take a girl out for the first time you're hoping if you're lucky you might get a goodnight kiss. It's only as the night develops you'd wish you'd bought some condoms.

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« Reply #246 on: February 21, 2024, 21:45:58 pm »

Well lets face it we will never know as we didn't strengthen in January. We could have signed a striker who got 15 goals between January and the end of the season and got us in the play-offs or we could have signed a striker who didn't score a single bloody goal. Like I said, we'll never know. It would be nice to think we will be in the same position again next season but history says otherwise. Plenty of time and games before then.

It's totally reasonable to want more, especially with our history of having /achieving very little.

Putting myself in the owners shoes though, I'd want a few years proven stability in this division. At the same time, sort the ground and periphery out. Once that's all in place Id be more inclined to invest on the playing side to push on.

Imagine this scenario.... We gatecrash the playoffs and go up. I can't imagine many, if any Championship sides with a worse physical infrastructure. It'd be embarrassing off the pitch and probably more so on it as said insufficient infrastructure wouldn't generate the revenue to fund a competitive side
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« Reply #247 on: February 22, 2024, 06:42:35 am »

Yes but a season in the Championship, imagine that, it would be worth it.
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« Reply #248 on: February 22, 2024, 06:49:56 am »

It's totally reasonable to want more, especially with our history of having /achieving very little.



You could apply that logic to any aspect of life. In fact, I could take your remarks quite personally. Grin Are people as harsh on themselves for not excelling. Or are they more inclined to do so when they haven't got to lose money, or put more time and effort into something. Where do the comparisons stop. As I have said. Taking into account mine and others thoughts about our potential this season. I am more than happy with the current situation.
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« Reply #249 on: February 22, 2024, 08:15:31 am »

It will be a great achievement I agree and all anyone realistically expected.
Is it the limit of our expectations though?
As fans can we not hope for investment to keep us progressing in the right direction?
If we fail to invest and follow the same old story of not being a sustainable league one club with ambitions of progress , what then?
We know what happens
Itís happened before and David bower hasnít come out with a rallying call telling the fans that things will be different this time and we will show ambition rather than have our usual relegation.
Mind you they havenít asked for the season ticket money yet.
Iím certainly not getting carried away by staying up as itís usually the lack of further investment needed (as detailed by KT) that leads us to go in ever decreasing circles.
Il stand by my opinion that if David bower fails to invest in his club or fails to get outside investment and/or business partners to help we will be relegated within the next two campaigns.
Can anyone disagree and if so why?

Firstly when we have been relegated back to league 2 in the recent past it hasnít been down to finances making it impossible for us to be competitive. The likes of Accrington, Crewe, Morecambe and Roachdale who we have a significant advantage over managed to stay up at our expense.

In relative terms this season has been a harder campaign as there are none of those very small teams in the league, we are part of a large group of about probably 8-10 teams that have in around the same level of resources. Probably to the extent that potential transfers are as much about location and how the club is sold to the player as finance between this group.

As we proved in the past with the Chinese money, spending significantly beyond our income is still no guarantee of anything as we were relegated anyway. You just need to look at the league table this season with Charlton struggling to survive and Fleetwood bottom of the table despite having/had players including Marriott, Stockley, Broom, Mayor, Vela and Tshimanga, the sort of bigger name, bigger wage, Ďleague 1 playersí that many of our fans were envious of and would have wanted us to sign.

The truth is next season is likely to be even harder. Does that mean we should be demanding the owners spunk away a load of their own money so the club runs beyond it means, pay wages that canít be covered by income, even though this guarantees nothing. We know this isnít going to happen anyway and the owners are going nowhere until the development is complete so people can constantly whine about it as much as they like and call out anyone who doesnít agree as lacking ambition but itís all pointless.

We are where we are this season because the club has done a lot of things right. We have assembled a hard working team with good character. For once we kept a promotion team together with the club being proactive with contracts and developed a reputation for bringing on loan players. We have kept faith with a manager when at various times there have been odd calls for his head. There have been way too many teams throwing money at things and just expecting success but thatís when the focus goes away from being a well run club and making those numerous small gains. My focus now would be on why we are getting so many injuries and how we can bring through more youth players.

We might go down in the next two seasons, it wonít be easy but there is no reason it should be inevitable and the more things we continue do right the less likely it is.
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« Reply #250 on: February 22, 2024, 09:06:19 am »

Firstly when we have been relegated back to league 2 in the recent past it hasnít been down to finances making it impossible for us to be competitive. The likes of Accrington, Crewe, Morecambe and Roachdale who we have a significant advantage over managed to stay up at our expense.

In relative terms this season has been a harder campaign as there are none of those very small teams in the league, we are part of a large group of about probably 8-10 teams that have in around the same level of resources. Probably to the extent that potential transfers are as much about location and how the club is sold to the player as finance between this group.

As we proved in the past with the Chinese money, spending significantly beyond our income is still no guarantee of anything as we were relegated anyway. You just need to look at the league table this season with Charlton struggling to survive and Fleetwood bottom of the table despite having/had players including Marriott, Stockley, Broom, Mayor, Vela and Tshimanga, the sort of bigger name, bigger wage, Ďleague 1 playersí that many of our fans were envious of and would have wanted us to sign.

The truth is next season is likely to be even harder. Does that mean we should be demanding the owners spunk away a load of their own money so the club runs beyond it means, pay wages that canít be covered by income, even though this guarantees nothing. We know this isnít going to happen anyway and the owners are going nowhere until the development is complete so people can constantly whine about it as much as they like and call out anyone who doesnít agree as lacking ambition but itís all pointless.

We are where we are this season because the club has done a lot of things right. We have assembled a hard working team with good character. For once we kept a promotion team together with the club being proactive with contracts and developed a reputation for bringing on loan players. We have kept faith with a manager when at various times there have been odd calls for his head. There have been way too many teams throwing money at things and just expecting success but thatís when the focus goes away from being a well run club and making those numerous small gains. My focus now would be on why we are getting so many injuries and how we can bring through more youth players.

We might go down in the next two seasons, it wonít be easy but there is no reason it should be inevitable and the more things we continue do right the less likely it is.

The one thing I would add to this, the examples of Accrington, Crewe, Morecambe and Rochdale are good ones, we would expect to be above them all and indeed we now are. So in our rightful place in that regard.

The example of Charlton, well they are undoubtedly a bigger club and we would expect them to be higher than us in the football echelon. This season they are not, indeed they may even get relegated. However what I have learnt studying the history of football, you can pretty much guarantee that in the not too distant future, Charlton will once again be above us. It's all about being in your traditional rightful place. We are at our peak now or at the top of the roller-coaster if you like. Inevitably we will descend again, hopefully on a gentle slope and Charlton will climb. The ONLY way these things change are massive investment. Bournemouth would be the perfect example, we were pretty much on their level throughout most of our history, Brentford too. Without that investment we're destined to stay where we are and continue the ride between tiers 3 & 4 of the football league. If you were frozen today and was brought back in 50 years time and they gave you the football league tables, I bet you would notice hardly any difference.
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« Reply #251 on: February 22, 2024, 09:33:31 am »

The ONLY way these things change are massive investment.
Luton?
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« Reply #252 on: February 22, 2024, 09:38:02 am »

The one thing I would add to this, the examples of Accrington, Crewe, Morecambe and Rochdale are good ones, we would expect to be above them all and indeed we now are. So in our rightful place in that regard.

The example of Charlton, well they are undoubtedly a bigger club and we would expect them to be higher than us in the football echelon. This season they are not, indeed they may even get relegated. However what I have learnt studying the history of football, you can pretty much guarantee that in the not too distant future, Charlton will once again be above us. It's all about being in your traditional rightful place. We are at our peak now or at the top of the roller-coaster if you like. Inevitably we will descend again, hopefully on a gentle slope and Charlton will climb. The ONLY way these things change are massive investment. Bournemouth would be the perfect example, we were pretty much on their level throughout most of our history, Brentford too. Without that investment we're destined to stay where we are and continue the ride between tiers 3 & 4 of the football league. If you were frozen today and was brought back in 50 years time and they gave you the football league tables, I bet you would notice hardly any difference.

You're right on the money element but I'm not sure the tables will necessarily resemble the ones around 50 years ago in 50 years time.
Leeds and Derby winning the 'Prem', Carlisle and Man Utd relegated, QPR chasing the title, Orient in the 'Championship' play off positions. Plenty of teams such as Workington and Southport.

Let's hope we are more 'Orient' than 'Workington'.

Throw enough money at anything and it will be successful...maybe not Salford....that's the only thing we really have, a big town and catchment area. The are ample big and successful clubs we could replicate.
Examples of Luton achieving it on a relative shoe string are few and far between.
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« Reply #253 on: February 22, 2024, 09:52:43 am »

You're right on the money element but I'm not sure the tables will necessarily resemble the ones around 50 years ago in 50 years time.
Leeds and Derby winning the 'Prem', Carlisle and Man Utd relegated, QPR chasing the title, Orient in the 'Championship' play off positions. Plenty of teams such as Workington and Southport.

Let's hope we are more 'Orient' than 'Workington'.

Throw enough money at anything and it will be successful...maybe not Salford....that's the only thing we really have, a big town and catchment area. The are ample big and successful clubs we could replicate.
Examples of Luton achieving it on a relative shoe string are few and far between.

If you go back exactly 50 years, of the 44 clubs in the top two divisions, 37 are still there. 6 are in League 1 and one (Swindon) are in league 2. Of the 6 that are in league 1, Derby & Portsmouth could well return this season (even Oxford) making the figures even more static. Clubs rise and fall but overall stay where they are/belong.
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« Reply #254 on: February 22, 2024, 10:16:54 am »

If you go back exactly 50 years, of the 44 clubs in the top two divisions, 37 are still there. 6 are in League 1 and one (Swindon) are in league 2. Of the 6 that are in league 1, Derby & Portsmouth could well return this season (even Oxford) making the figures even more static. Clubs rise and fall but overall stay where they are/belong.

Interesting. A little dose of realism for us all there!
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« Reply #255 on: February 22, 2024, 10:36:32 am »

If you go back exactly 50 years, of the 44 clubs in the top two divisions, 37 are still there. 6 are in League 1 and one (Swindon) are in league 2. Of the 6 that are in league 1, Derby & Portsmouth could well return this season (even Oxford) making the figures even more static. Clubs rise and fall but overall stay where they are/belong.

So 7 out of 44 werenít. Not bad odds on our chances again one day. Without the likes of non-league Luton dipping in/out of the Prem and Leicester winning the title. Itís what makes football unpredictable and great.
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« Reply #256 on: February 22, 2024, 10:45:18 am »

So 7 out of 44 werenít. Not bad odds on our chances again one day. Without the likes of non-league Luton dipping in/out of the Prem and Leicester winning the title. Itís what makes football unpredictable and great.

I love that Chelsea continue to keep pillaging Brighton but remain below them.
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« Reply #257 on: February 27, 2024, 22:28:25 pm »

They can talk all they like but Orient wonít make the playoffs.

You 100% certain? Up to 8th and just 5pts off the play-offs now having beaten a play-off rival tonight. I hope they do it because we were ahead of them when everybody wrote us off as having no chance.
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« Reply #258 on: February 27, 2024, 22:58:03 pm »

Lincoln City, after making several signings in January, are another side on a surge, 13pts from a possible 15. They are also hoping for sides to slip up above them. Bolton & Derby both lost tonight, their second defeats on the bounce. It's hotting up.
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« Reply #259 on: March 12, 2024, 21:39:33 pm »

Lincoln City, after making several signings in January, are another side on a surge, 13pts from a possible 15. They are also hoping for sides to slip up above them. Bolton & Derby both lost tonight, their second defeats on the bounce. It's hotting up.

January 1st, we were 9th, Lincoln were 11th.....4 points behind us having played a game more. Tonight as they currently sit 6-0 up against Cambridge they are 8 points ahead of us now having picked up 26 points from their last 12 games, unbeaten since New Years Day.
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