Fans Advisory Board: Minutes, Discussion etc ..

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Good to see Tom (who does nothing according to Derek) Cliffe running the meetings with the travel clubs, Re safeguarding. I'm assuming that whilst he is doing that, the bottom feeding trolls, will be sat in their pants at home on the couch, moaning about him.

[Worthless Recluse]

Beds , I've stated before there was a football club in the town up for sale, why don't you, Duston and all the other doom and gloomers go and buy it ? Show us how to do it , you  all  have the ideas , so yes, great idea, now off you toodle and leave us in peace.

I suspect the cost of buying NTFC has dropped considerably over the past few months.

[DustonCobbler]

Good to see Tom (who does nothing according to Derek) Cliffe running the meetings with the travel clubs, Re safeguarding. I'm assuming that whilst he is doing that, the bottom feeding trolls, will be sat in their pants at home on the couch, moaning about him.

more lies from you I see,  I said he has achieved 'nothing'

He has plenty to do, answering to KT & GW to ensure he tows the party line and puts our their propaganda, including taking digs at certain supporters who dare to sometimes ask the questions he should be asking

Again, rather than digs, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE, tell me what he has achieved that has actually made a difference for fans in general.

But we know you can't so you continue with your schoolboy crap

[Melbourne Cobbler]

Has any of the support base achieved more than Tom? At the bare minimum there is now a structured direct conduit of communication and dialog with the club for the support base, which to be fair is pretty much the most we can expect. The alternative of attempting to force the clubs hand has proved spectacularly unsuccessful and counter productive. So I would suggest the reinstatement of the engagement between the support base and the club makes the question of Toms achievements self evident?

[Shoemaker]

Has any of the support base achieved more than Tom? At the bare minimum there is now a structured direct conduit of communication and dialog with the club for the support base, which to be fair is pretty much the most we can expect. The alternative of attempting to force the clubs hand has proved spectacularly unsuccessful and counter productive. So I would suggest the reinstatement of the engagement between the support base and the club makes the question of Toms achievements self evident?

Agreed

[Peter Frost]

As an overseas supporter and having come unstuck several times in the last couple of seasons with travel booked I asked Tom if international weekends could be notified as part of the fixture list - fait accompli so for me Tom is both listening and actioning - of course that action didn’t involve spending other people’s money which sadly is the only criteria important for some.

[MCHammer]

more lies from you I see,  I said he has achieved 'nothing'

He has plenty to do, answering to KT & GW to ensure he tows the party line and puts our their propaganda, including taking digs at certain supporters who dare to sometimes ask the questions he should be asking

Again, rather than digs, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE, tell me what he has achieved that has actually made a difference for fans in general.

But we know you can't so you continue with your schoolboy crap

What a shameful trio you, Keith and the Cilldara legal advisor are and have always been.  I see Tom Cliffe is the latest target both on here and social media.

Three long term board members of a failed supporters representative organisation that have personally, in their time on the board, delivered nothing for fans in general, choose to criticise Tom of doing the same!!  I assume their aren't any mirrors in Trust Towers?  The irony surely can't be lost to anyone when reading you of all people demanding someone else SHOWS YOU THE EVIDENCE!

Tom has made it clear, many times, he doesn't get into back and forths on social media or message boards.  The stupidity is you could literally put any criticism, challenges or questions direct to him via email or the three of you could have grown a pair and put it face to face with him at the last open forum.  Tel literally proved to you a couple of weeks ago how easy it is to get answers when your latest lie was disproved about work on the East Stand.

But here's the reality...you three are not interested in making things better.  If you were you would have delivered something by now towards that aim.  You don't really want answers, especially if they are in contrast to the negative opinions you continually profess regarding this football club and it's senior leadership.

Look at this from a different angle.  You all could engage with Tom and build a relationship.  If you don't think he's delivering enough for the fans you could make suggestions on what he should be delivering and how that could be achieved.  I mean you could even offer to work with him to deliver some of them.  If you really don't think he's delivering you could have taken your own advice and stood against him for election when you had the chance.

[BackOfTheNet]

But here's the reality...you three are not interested in making things better.  If you were you would have delivered something by now towards that aim.  resigned.

Fixed it for you.

[Deepcut Cobbler]

What a shameful trio you, Keith and the Cilldara legal advisor are and have always been.  I see Tom Cliffe is the latest target both on here and social media.

Three long term board members of a failed supporters representative organisation that have personally, in their time on the board, delivered nothing for fans in general, choose to criticise Tom of doing the same!!  I assume their aren't any mirrors in Trust Towers?  The irony surely can't be lost to anyone when reading you of all people demanding someone else SHOWS YOU THE EVIDENCE!

Tom has made it clear, many times, he doesn't get into back and forths on social media or message boards.  The stupidity is you could literally put any criticism, challenges or questions direct to him via email or the three of you could have grown a pair and put it face to face with him at the last open forum.  Tel literally proved to you a couple of weeks ago how easy it is to get answers when your latest lie was disproved about work on the East Stand.

But here's the reality...you three are not interested in making things better.  If you were you would have delivered something by now towards that aim.  You don't really want answers, especially if they are in contrast to the negative opinions you continually profess regarding this football club and it's senior leadership.

Look at this from a different angle.  You all could engage with Tom and build a relationship.  If you don't think he's delivering enough for the fans you could make suggestions on what he should be delivering and how that could be achieved.  I mean you could even offer to work with him to deliver some of them.  If you really don't think he's delivering you could have taken your own advice and stood against him for election when you had the chance.

You could also add a fourth, the person who presides over the 'organisation', Andy Roberts, who appears to be omitted when the Trust mud is flying
He obviously chooses not arrest the decline of The Trust and, by implication, is encouraging it.

[Lizard68]

What a shameful trio you, Keith and the Cilldara legal advisor are and have always been.  I see Tom Cliffe is the latest target both on here and social media.

Three long term board members of a failed supporters representative organisation that have personally, in their time on the board, delivered nothing for fans in general, choose to criticise Tom of doing the same!!  I assume their aren't any mirrors in Trust Towers?  The irony surely can't be lost to anyone when reading you of all people demanding someone else SHOWS YOU THE EVIDENCE!

Tom has made it clear, many times, he doesn't get into back and forths on social media or message boards.  The stupidity is you could literally put any criticism, challenges or questions direct to him via email or the three of you could have grown a pair and put it face to face with him at the last open forum.  Tel literally proved to you a couple of weeks ago how easy it is to get answers when your latest lie was disproved about work on the East Stand.

But here's the reality...you three are not interested in making things better.  If you were you would have delivered something by now towards that aim.  You don't really want answers, especially if they are in contrast to the negative opinions you continually profess regarding this football club and it's senior leadership.

Look at this from a different angle.  You all could engage with Tom and build a relationship.  If you don't think he's delivering enough for the fans you could make suggestions on what he should be delivering and how that could be achieved.  I mean you could even offer to work with him to deliver some of them.  If you really don't think he's delivering you could have taken your own advice and stood against him for election when you had the chance.

Well said MCHammer. Another excellent post.

[everbrite]

Has any of the support base achieved more than Tom? At the bare minimum there is now a structured direct conduit of communication and dialog with the club for the support base, which to be fair is pretty much the most we can expect. The alternative of attempting to force the clubs hand has proved spectacularly unsuccessful and counter productive. So I would suggest the reinstatement of the engagement between the support base and the club makes the question of Toms achievements self evident?

[Observing]

Andy Roberts is the most culpable.

[Melbourne Cobbler]

Andy Roberts is the most culpable.

That was my conclusion when I received that legal action nonsense. That kind of thing has to be endorsed from the top. I don’t buy this affable bystander view, not anymore.

[JSO]

Kelvin Thomas is busy at the moment as he's performing at the Royal and Derngate in Radio Ga Ga.

[Melbourne Cobbler]

Kelvin Thomas is busy at the moment as he's performing at the Royal and Derngate in Radio Ga Ga.

Looks like Eddie McGoldrick.

[Shoemaker]

Looks like Eddie McGoldrick.

Eddie Eddie

[guest3684]

You could also add a fourth, the person who presides over the 'organisation', Andy Roberts, who appears to be omitted when the Trust mud is flying
He obviously chooses not arrest the decline of The Trust and, by implication, is encouraging it.

But he’s written books about NTFC, surely that absolves him of any culpability? 😉

[BackOfTheNet]

I must admit, I've always found the "but he's written books about the Cobblers" defence slightly odd.

Yes, he has. I've bought and read them all, but I'd always assumed he was selling them for personal profit, and why wouldn't he? He's given his time and effort to research and write them so fair play, but it's hardly an act of altruism is it!

I also agree his role in the Trust's demise has been very disappointing. On the odd occasion I've interacted with him, either by email or in person, I've always found him to be a nice, friendly, polite guy.

I think he's probably too nice though and has allowed himself to be steamrolled by more forceful personalities. That said, the emails Tom released shows, regardless of whether he's following the guidance of others or not, he's not actually helped matters.

[Merry Comrade]

They are all nice guys if you ineract with them on a one to one basis but the agenda they share is not that nice in my opinion.

[Melbourne Cobbler]

They are all nice guys if you ineract with them on a one to one basis but the agenda they share is not that nice in my opinion.

To continue a theme from elsewhere it should be said that the perception is that the agenda is endorsed by a minority amongst the supporters that I know.