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« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2025, 10:17:06 am »

You used one limited study from several that were taken and the one you used just counted up home and away wins without taking the teams playing, their position in the table nor historical results into account. I can give you a link if you wish to show you one that does take these factors into acvount and gives a completely different outcome. You are like a lawyer who produces the one expert to help his case, rejecting several others that didn't. You need to see the overall picture.
Nevertheless I look forward to you taking responsibility each time the Cobblers lose away as you can't have it both ways.

I went to Wembley when we outnumbered Grimsby 2 to 1 but we lost. What happened there then?

I was also at Hartlepool when there were just 5 of us and we won 3-2. What happened there then?

A big following guarantees you nothing, it's all coincidental.
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« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2025, 10:20:10 am »

Fairly common on here especially with those with a point to prove! Roll Eyes

It was YOU who claimed the away following at Wycombe played a SIGNIFICANT part in the result. That was nonsense then and still is now yet I do hope you can claim the same when the Cobblers get a result at Bolton onTuesday night. Or are you going to take the blame if we lose?
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« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2025, 10:28:34 am »

Hilarious.
A sample size of 4,844 games from the top two divisions of the English, Italian, Spanish, German, and the top divisions of Greece, Portugal, Turkey, Austria, Denmark, Switzerland, and Russia, and you claim the study is not representative.
Let me remind you again of what you wrote.
The support plays no part in the result, none whatsoever, let alone significant.
And here's the link again https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news-science/news/article/4894/how-empty-stadiums-affected-football-during-pandemic.
You'd have been better off using the bone that GPC threw you 😉


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« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2025, 10:30:36 am »

Oh you've started something Evers, if you carry on I think poor old Marvo is going to come off the rails or hit the buffers.
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« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2025, 10:33:21 am »

It was YOU who claimed the away following at Wycombe played a SIGNIFICANT part in the result. That was nonsense then and still is now yet I do hope you can claim the same when the Cobblers get a result at Bolton onTuesday night. Or are you going to take the blame if we lose?

Its upto you but I just hope they win which might require a change of goal posts ........again Roll Eyes
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« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2025, 10:35:17 am »

Oh you've started something Evers, if you carry on I think poor old Marvo is going to come off the rails or hit the buffers.
More likely to go on strike.
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« Reply #146 on: January 27, 2025, 10:41:19 am »

Oh you've started something Evers, if you carry on I think poor old Marvo is going to come off the rails or hit the buffers.

Apart from insults and even abusive language (see Politics thread). To be honest its almost par for course on here. No shrinking violets on here. Sincerely hope that young Marvo keeps to the script and keeps his cool.
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« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2025, 11:00:00 am »

You’ll all be feeling his “wrath” soon
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« Reply #148 on: January 27, 2025, 11:07:29 am »

I'll have one more go at explaining why what you claim is nonsense, then I have to retire for the night. Its very difficult to debate anything when you are 11 hours out of sync.

Scenario 1) So McGowan's header counts (it should have) and the Cobblers hold on to win 1-0. Fantastic result. You claim the "magnificent support" played a "significant" part in that victory. Okay, for arguments sake lets accept that.

Scenario 2) Wycombe score from one of their 12 shots at goal. The Cobblers lose 0-1. Unlucky Cobblers. The "magnificent support" salute the players on their performance.

Scenario 3) The Cobblers get stuffed as many on here predicted. The support goes silent. Maybe even a few boos but its a bit early in Nolan's tenure for that.

So three things that could easily have happened with the result but the travelling support remains the same people.

Can you really not see that whilst its nice to have good support and I'm sure the players appreciate it but it has no bearing on the result. That's the players, manager, luck and sometimes the Referee that decide that.
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« Reply #149 on: January 27, 2025, 11:34:21 am »

I'll have one more go at explaining why what you claim is nonsense, then I have to retire for the night. Its very difficult to debate anything when you are 11 hours out of sync.

Scenario 1) So McGowan's header counts (it should have) and the Cobblers hold on to win 1-0. Fantastic result. You claim the "magnificent support" played a "significant" part in that victory. Okay, for arguments sake lets accept that.

Scenario 2) Wycombe score from one of their 12 shots at goal. The Cobblers lose 0-1. Unlucky Cobblers. The "magnificent support" salute the players on their performance.

Scenario 3) The Cobblers get stuffed as many on here predicted. The support goes silent. Maybe even a few boos but its a bit early in Nolan's tenure for that.

So three things that could easily have happened with the result but the travelling support remains the same people.

Can you really not see that whilst its nice to have good support and I'm sure the players appreciate it but it has no bearing on the result. That's the players, manager, luck and sometimes the Referee that decide that.

Well young Marvo you have to be there to experience the depth of support the team received -  emotional or otherwise. (apologies for using the dreaded word). At the end of the day its about opinions - we dont agree and may never will. At K. Nolans request we followed that request to the 10th degree and for us it worked. Out of respect to those there, I will not and cannot abandon them to your proposal. It's a betrayal of the worst kind. So in a brief summary am unable to support your admirable proposal to abandon cheering on your team on the shaky basis it does'nt count.                 
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« Reply #150 on: January 27, 2025, 11:59:34 am »

I think the support of a team does influence the results/performances to a degree because most humans rely on encouragement and positivity to do their jobs better. Not all do but Id say the majority do.

It a a well known cleche that a struggling team will struggle more when their supporters start getting on their backs. Don't give the opposition fans anything to put fire in their bellies. For example. That silly cup in ear celebration just wiles supporters and I've seen it backfire many times. If I was a football manager Id ban my players from doing it. Don't give them any reason to get a lift. Unless its the 95th minute of course!  Grin

A good recent example of where I felt our fans massively contributed towards the performance and ultimately the result was at Tranmere when we secured promotion. The noise our end generated was immense, total positively and it really felt that it was a team and fans joint effort to get us over the line.

Of course. During most matches supporters will in the main be relatively subdued but when they really want it, it does rub off on the team. I don't think its all about numbers , its about positive noise etc and being heard loud and clear over and above the opponents fans. I've seen teams rack up at Sixfields with 50-100 fans who have outsung us on many occasions and seen us lose to them. A game against Accrington on a Tuesday night about 3-4 years ago springs to mind.

Just recently when we went to Brum, their supporters were like mice and a lot left towards the end whilst we were to a man and a woman willing our team on. We scored in the very last minute to nick an unlikely draw after in the main being outplayed for 90 minutes. If there had been 250 of us moaning that day I doubt we would have got a result.

None of this can be proved of course, Im going on what it just feels like plus also factoring in that most of us need some help at times to do our jobs better.





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« Reply #151 on: January 27, 2025, 12:14:40 pm »

You take it wrong Marvo.
So I dont have an affect. How many YOU's then before collectively they have an affect?
Actually, on the other thread you just made another point for me. 'Home crowds expect a more adventurous system home than away'. So that's you agreeing that the crowd has an impact on games, and since there's more of them at home than away and results are better at home, there's another reason crowds have a positive effect on results.
And why do you think managers often urge the crowd to get behind the team if them doing so has no affect. Is it just to give their arms some exercise?

You have to laugh at the witticisms in this message. So clever, are you perhaps F30 in disguise. Absolutely no offence to you Worthless; forgive me for asking?
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« Reply #152 on: January 27, 2025, 12:30:14 pm »

Can we not have a block feature to resolve this saga? Its been dragging on forever  Huh

If you can go to the games then thats wonderful, if not and can watch from home, great. Fair play to those getting up at 3am, tried it a few weeks ago in LA getting up for the Burton game and it messed my body up for sure.
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« Reply #153 on: January 27, 2025, 12:36:37 pm »

I am a bit more travelled than most when it comes to the Cobblers. Certainly more than Evers. But these days I am not so keen on trawling all over the place to watch a relegation dog fight. 
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« Reply #154 on: January 27, 2025, 13:54:30 pm »

You have to laugh at the witticisms in this message. So clever, are you perhaps F30 in disguise. Absolutely no offence to you Worthless; forgive me for asking?
I have absolutely no affiliation with Worthless, nada, niente, nimmer, immer!
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« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2025, 14:27:07 pm »

I am a bit more travelled than most when it comes to the Cobblers. Certainly more than Evers. But these days I am not so keen on trawling all over the place to watch a relegation dog fight. 
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« Reply #156 on: January 27, 2025, 14:42:33 pm »

A couple of thoughts cross my mind on the Marvo versus Evers discussion -

.....statistically every team in the league have better statistics at home rather than away where the ratio of fans very much favours the home side - so do fans influence the result? -  however the support for us is nearly always more vocal and indeed passionate away from home so shouldn't our away stats be better than our home ones? - or is it simply a case of knowing the pitch and/or the negative effect of travelling.

So looking at the evidence it looks like a win for Marvo - I'll therefore stay in my armchair knowing I'm not damaging our chances!
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« Reply #157 on: January 27, 2025, 14:45:21 pm »

I am a bit more travelled than most when it comes to the Cobblers. Certainly more than Evers. But these days I am not so keen on trawling all over the place to watch a relegation dog fight. 

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« Reply #158 on: January 27, 2025, 16:33:33 pm »

I have absolutely no affiliation with Worthless, nada, niente, nimmer, immer!
You are somewhat flattered by the suggestion though, go on admit it  Grin
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« Reply #159 on: January 27, 2025, 20:14:38 pm »

Well young Marvo you have to be there to experience the depth of support the team received -  emotional or otherwise. (apologies for using the dreaded word). At the end of the day its about opinions - we dont agree and may never will. At K. Nolans request we followed that request to the 10th degree and for us it worked. Out of respect to those there, I will not and cannot abandon them to your proposal. It's a betrayal of the worst kind. So in a brief summary am unable to support your admirable proposal to abandon cheering on your team on the shaky basis it does'nt count.                 

Oh for crying out loud, when did I "propose" that? Why do you always make stuff up? Why?

As for a manager asking the supporters to support, can you give me one example in the history of football where a Manager has said please don't support us?  Roll Eyes

For the sake of this forum, can you just give it a rest on the attacks on people who don't go, whether its because they cant because of location, or finance, or work commitments, or health, or just because they no longer want to. It's their choice and nobody deserves to be berated for it. We all support the Cobblers in our own way, that should be good enough for you.
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