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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2025, 19:34:36 pm »

Don't be too sure on that

Nothing to debate now. Owners have what they want. So a good time to let them back in.
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2025, 22:54:10 pm »

It’s a bit like the proverbial 2 fleas arguing over who owns the dog. With regards to new owners, it depends who it is. Perhaps they may be highly motivated to engage with the current Trust Board, on the other hand they may continue with the complete ostracism. Either way my money is on an extreme view, but if there is any longevity to the relationship it will be a first.
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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2025, 06:19:45 am »

It’s a bit like the proverbial 2 fleas arguing over who owns the dog. With regards to new owners, it depends who it is. Perhaps they may be highly motivated to engage with the current Trust Board, on the other hand they may continue with the complete ostracism. Either way my money is on an extreme view, but if there is any longevity to the relationship it will be a first.

You could put Henry Kissinger, the Daili Lama and Gandhi in front of a couple of individuals on that board. Within five minutes they'd want them out of the room.
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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2025, 07:06:55 am »

You could put Henry Kissinger, the Daili Lama and Gandhi in front of a couple of individuals on that board. Within five minutes they'd want them out of the room.
Call me old fashioned, but you’re starting to come across as a bit sceptical?
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2025, 07:11:59 am »

Don't be too sure on that
Have the Trust found someone else to partner with then?
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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2025, 08:54:14 am »

Call me old fashioned, but you’re starting to come across as a bit sceptical?

😂I do try my hardest to look at them from a positive perspective. But they cure any glimmer of optimism I have every time.
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2025, 09:01:26 am »

I’m sure the Trust have an investor.

Maybe it’s Shoeys sheikhs.
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2025, 10:32:36 am »

I’m sure the Trust have an investor.

Maybe it’s Shoeys sheikhs.

Well..... If they have, fair play to them.

Third time lucky aye 😂😂
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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2025, 15:43:15 pm »

Message sent to Kelvin:

Hi Kelvin,

Hope you're well, I was hoping I'd get chance to say hello at the Charlton game but apparently you were out of the country then, I hope you had a great Christmas and New year!

The new stand is looking great, can't wait to see it open.

Anyway, there is a bit of chatter on the message forums again about letters between the trust and the club, the trust obviously tried to keep one of these out of fans hands but now they're making claims like "So it appeared that the club had never had any intention of brokering a future relationship with the Trust, this in spite of a new board, the introduction of a social media policy and the organisation of community-based activities which sat neatly alongside an update on the stand and land deal." - This irked me because I don't feel it was ever a new board, and seeing the inner workings of things they're just trying to manipulate our fans and I don't like that.

I wondered if you'd be comfortable sharing what you can and giving permission for it to be shared, or going ahead and publishing things as a club.

I'm sure you're sick of hearing from people on this topic, so appreciate your patience

Have a good week, let's hope for another good result tomorrow!

Cheers

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Tom,

Thanks for the email and hope you are well.

Seems strange to be still discussing a letter sent in July 2023 but I suspect if it hasn’t been shared with fans or Trust members already, there will always be continuing questions relating to its content.  It’s a balance for us as a club, as we certainly do not want to get into any public back and forth and that is the clear reason why we have never published the letter ourselves and we drew the line like we did back then - it was never our place to publicly share this letter and that view remains - but when directly asked like this we also can’t hide away from the fact the letter exists as transparency is important too.

The letter itself is self-explanatory and as a club we stand by every word.   If the Trust truly have issues with the content I think their legal advisor would have already sent us a series of legal threats, as that seems to be what happens to our fans unfortunately.

Probably the main frustration of the Trust board now has to be they have been proved very wrong and they can’t seem to accept or admit that.  For example, they have always said that we would never build the stand, we would run off with the land, once the land was bought we would be selling up, we would never fund a L1 campaign, we hate football and many more things, however here we are really close to completing the stand, haven’t run away with any land, not selling up, funding not one but two L1 campaigns and we quite enjoy football

Andy Roberts has now openly admitted they ‘were’ rival bidders to the club as our letter clearly stated and even if they made that decision for what they perceived to be the right reasons, they surely at this point have to accept that this was extremely flawed and they made a very poor decision, especially as it was a decision made with no consultation with the fanbase and the ramifications of that decision delayed the completion of the East Stand and cost the club money.  Until they accept this mistake then it will always be a big challenge for them to be accepted by the Club or the fanbase, and in fairness rather than admit they may have been wrong they seem to have doubled down and everything the club does is so outrageously wrong, we are just awful owners and the fans and the staff are all terrible, which is clearly evidenced by just a cursory glance at some of the Trust boards social media.

We have said many times on the record that we feel a Trust is an important part of a club and would welcome a properly functioning Trust, but unfortunately we do not feel that is the case with this current board and we think our fanbase feels the same.  We are still very surprised that the Trust Board is so secretive that they won’t share simple communication between the club even with their own members.  It really is quite shocking for a fan representative organization, however this just isn’t our issue anymore – we just get on with running the football club the best we can and engaging everyday with our fanbase through our excellent Fan Elected Director.

Hope that helps you understand our perspective a little more and if you have any further questions please feel free to get back in touch and hope to see you at a game at some point in the future.

Cheers,

Kelvin


Attachment (The letter):

https://orange-tuesday-26.tiiny.site/


I'd say that's pretty clear cut, current board needs to go before the trust can rebuild.
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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2025, 16:16:55 pm »

Message sent to Kelvin:

Hi Kelvin,

Hope you're well, I was hoping I'd get chance to say hello at the Charlton game but apparently you were out of the country then, I hope you had a great Christmas and New year!

The new stand is looking great, can't wait to see it open.

Anyway, there is a bit of chatter on the message forums again about letters between the trust and the club, the trust obviously tried to keep one of these out of fans hands but now they're making claims like "So it appeared that the club had never had any intention of brokering a future relationship with the Trust, this in spite of a new board, the introduction of a social media policy and the organisation of community-based activities which sat neatly alongside an update on the stand and land deal." - This irked me because I don't feel it was ever a new board, and seeing the inner workings of things they're just trying to manipulate our fans and I don't like that.

I wondered if you'd be comfortable sharing what you can and giving permission for it to be shared, or going ahead and publishing things as a club.

I'm sure you're sick of hearing from people on this topic, so appreciate your patience

Have a good week, let's hope for another good result tomorrow!

Cheers

Message Received from Kelvin:

Tom,

Thanks for the email and hope you are well.

Seems strange to be still discussing a letter sent in July 2023 but I suspect if it hasn’t been shared with fans or Trust members already, there will always be continuing questions relating to its content.  It’s a balance for us as a club, as we certainly do not want to get into any public back and forth and that is the clear reason why we have never published the letter ourselves and we drew the line like we did back then - it was never our place to publicly share this letter and that view remains - but when directly asked like this we also can’t hide away from the fact the letter exists as transparency is important too.

The letter itself is self-explanatory and as a club we stand by every word.   If the Trust truly have issues with the content I think their legal advisor would have already sent us a series of legal threats, as that seems to be what happens to our fans unfortunately.

Probably the main frustration of the Trust board now has to be they have been proved very wrong and they can’t seem to accept or admit that.  For example, they have always said that we would never build the stand, we would run off with the land, once the land was bought we would be selling up, we would never fund a L1 campaign, we hate football and many more things, however here we are really close to completing the stand, haven’t run away with any land, not selling up, funding not one but two L1 campaigns and we quite enjoy football

Andy Roberts has now openly admitted they ‘were’ rival bidders to the club as our letter clearly stated and even if they made that decision for what they perceived to be the right reasons, they surely at this point have to accept that this was extremely flawed and they made a very poor decision, especially as it was a decision made with no consultation with the fanbase and the ramifications of that decision delayed the completion of the East Stand and cost the club money.  Until they accept this mistake then it will always be a big challenge for them to be accepted by the Club or the fanbase, and in fairness rather than admit they may have been wrong they seem to have doubled down and everything the club does is so outrageously wrong, we are just awful owners and the fans and the staff are all terrible, which is clearly evidenced by just a cursory glance at some of the Trust boards social media.

We have said many times on the record that we feel a Trust is an important part of a club and would welcome a properly functioning Trust, but unfortunately we do not feel that is the case with this current board and we think our fanbase feels the same.  We are still very surprised that the Trust Board is so secretive that they won’t share simple communication between the club even with their own members.  It really is quite shocking for a fan representative organization, however this just isn’t our issue anymore – we just get on with running the football club the best we can and engaging everyday with our fanbase through our excellent Fan Elected Director.

Hope that helps you understand our perspective a little more and if you have any further questions please feel free to get back in touch and hope to see you at a game at some point in the future.

Cheers,

Kelvin


Attachment (The letter):

https://orange-tuesday-26.tiiny.site/


I'd say that's pretty clear cut, current board needs to go before the trust can rebuild.
And to all of the people who claimed not to have seen this letter first time around, nows your chance. Fill ya boots. Read it and shed your crocodile tears.
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« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2025, 17:47:43 pm »

Thanks Tom for bringing this to the fore - certainly I hadn’t seen the letter before but frankly there is really nothing there that surprises me and whilst I’m minded of our late Queen’s quote of “recollections may vary” there is little there I can see that falls into the category of “a litany of lies”

For me the fact the club openly invites the trust to share the letter with members - they don’t but then reference it in a particularly damming statement about the club to members speaks volumes about honesty, transparency and integrity.

Just a personal footnote - it seems all roads lead to John Morgan being the villain of the piece. A few years ago I had a number of both public and private conversations with him and I will readily admit I disagreed with quite a lot (not all) of his views and nearly all of his method and approach to the issues - however whilst it might be argued it was about power, in my opinion it was always about a passion to do what was right for the club and it worries me slightly that an individual is tried in the court of public opinion on social media so I think it might be the right thing to back off the rhetoric now.
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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2025, 19:26:09 pm »

I agree, moving the relationship forward between the club & the owners should not be about individuals - it should be about a process that resolves the issues and creates a framework for the future.



quote author=Peter Frost link=topic=23755.msg553622#msg553622 date=1738176463]
Thanks Tom for bringing this to the fore - certainly I hadn’t seen the letter before but frankly there is really nothing there that surprises me and whilst I’m minded of our late Queen’s quote of “recollections may vary” there is little there I can see that falls into the category of “a litany of lies”

For me the fact the club openly invites the trust to share the letter with members - they don’t but then reference it in a particularly damming statement about the club to members speaks volumes about honesty, transparency and integrity.

Just a personal footnote - it seems all roads lead to John Morgan being the villain of the piece. A few years ago I had a number of both public and private conversations with him and I will readily admit I disagreed with quite a lot (not all) of his views and nearly all of his method and approach to the issues - however whilst it might be argued it was about power, in my opinion it was always about a passion to do what was right for the club and it worries me slightly that an individual is tried in the court of public opinion on social media so I think it might be the right thing to back off the rhetoric now.
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2025, 19:40:05 pm »

And if an individual is the catalyst for many of the current club/trust issues, what then?
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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2025, 20:12:24 pm »

And if an individual is the catalyst for many of the current club/trust issues, what then?

I understand your point but in the same way I‘ve consistently criticised certain Trust members for their constant negativity about the club and asking ultimately what has been achieved the same logic could be applied to constantly criticising them- I just think somewhat bizarrely we have reached an inflection point - it’s clear from the recent communication confirmation (if it wasn’t already obvious ) that the club are never going to work with the current Trust board so further commentary, accusations serve no purpose. Of course I can’t dictate what people choose to discuss but for me the matter is closed and repetitive picking on one person doesn’t sit comfortably with me.
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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2025, 20:15:42 pm »

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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2025, 20:22:30 pm »

I understand your point but in the same way I‘ve consistently criticised certain Trust members for their constant negativity about the club and asking ultimately what has been achieved the same logic could be applied to constantly criticising them- I just think somewhat bizarrely we have reached an inflection point - it’s clear from the recent communication confirmation (if it wasn’t already obvious ) that the club are never going to work with the current Trust board so further commentary, accusations serve no purpose. Of course I can’t dictate what people choose to discuss but for me the matter is closed and repetitive picking on one person doesn’t sit comfortably with me.

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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2025, 20:31:47 pm »

I understand your point but in the same way I‘ve consistently criticised certain Trust members for their constant negativity about the club and asking ultimately what has been achieved the same logic could be applied to constantly criticising them- I just think somewhat bizarrely we have reached an inflection point - it’s clear from the recent communication confirmation (if it wasn’t already obvious ) that the club are never going to work with the current Trust board so further commentary, accusations serve no purpose. Of course I can’t dictate what people choose to discuss but for me the matter is closed and repetitive picking on one person doesn’t sit comfortably with me.
Understand your point Peter but in my opinion “picking” is a rather controversial term in the event undesirable exchanges are often instigated by the other party, reciprocal and of equal voracity as a bare minimum. This is also particularly relevant if they are from a representative body who you may feel are not representing you adequately or appropriately at the very least, including by individuals who you feel are acting outside of or in contradiction to the scope of their responsibilities and position. However, other than the term “picking” the rest of your post is perfectly understandable as far as I am concerned.
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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2025, 21:02:47 pm »

As I have always said. I have always received the answers I seek from the club. As for the Trust, of which I am a life member. I don’t even get an email. Banished for my views..
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2025, 06:36:04 am »

Understand your point Peter but in my opinion “picking” is a rather controversial term in the event undesirable exchanges are often instigated by the other party, reciprocal and of equal voracity as a bare minimum. This is also particularly relevant if they are from a representative body who you may feel are not representing you adequately or appropriately at the very least, including by individuals who you feel are acting outside of or in contradiction to the scope of their responsibilities and position. However, other than the term “picking” the rest of your post is perfectly understandable as far as I am concerned.

Good points Dale - and I agree on reflection the words picking on probably not the best word - perhaps consistently naming the same one person, better illustrates my point- I suspect but of course don‘t know of the dynamics of the trust board but for me the actions that I am at odds with were mandated by the board and if the discussion continues I would simply prefer comments to be directed at board decisions.
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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2025, 07:32:43 am »

Good letter that. Not surprised it wasn't shared, with a nice touch to say it could be shared.

Like taking a knife to a gun fight when it comes to dealing with the professionals running the club.
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