Homophobic Shouting

[Lizard68]

Homophobic, racist or totally idiotic behaviour. Take your pick. I witnessed it all today.

Probably witness it all again (or worse) on Saturday at Peterborough. This kind of behaviour spoils away games for me 

[DavCobb]

I know the title is specifically 'homophobic' shouting but if you mean what is inappropriate for 2025 then the ground should be half empty by the end of a game.

It was one of the reasons I stopped taking my kids when they were younger and ended up in a couple of 'civilised' rows, as in civilised from my perspective. I'm not talking about general swearing, more some idiot calling the ref a c*nt (etc) in my 7 year olds ear. Far from sheltering my kids from colourful language, you don't want some intimidating knuckle dragger playing up next to you.

I'd be surprised if we are fully past the type of "Tyler takes it up the...." chant.

[Razor]

Probably witness it all again (or worse) on Saturday at Peterborough. This kind of behaviour spoils away games for me 

Coming away from the game on Saturday and having time to reflect on the experience, it made me not really want to go next week. But it's not right if we allow these morons hijack the away day experience and ruin it for everyone else. Which is why I think it's important that it is reported and that the club are made aware what is happening and the negative effect it has on people who witness it.

I'm no angel at games, I'll spend a lot of the time shouting and swearing and getting wound up. But I'd never cross the line into discriminatory abuse. That kind of stuff simply has to be called out and dealt with. I don't want to come away from another game feeling ashamed to be a Cobblers fan.

[Winslow Lee]

Coming away from the game on Saturday and having time to reflect on the experience, it made me not really want to go next week. But it's not right if we allow these morons hijack the away day experience and ruin it for everyone else. Which is why I think it's important that it is reported and that the club are made aware what is happening and the negative effect it has on people who witness it.

I'm no angel at games, I'll spend a lot of the time shouting and swearing and getting wound up. But I'd never cross the line into discriminatory abuse. That kind of stuff simply has to be called out and dealt with. I don't want to come away from another game feeling ashamed to be a Cobblers fan.

Great post

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

I’m not cool with raising it on here, when you let it go on the day…

[Razor]

I’m not cool with raising it on here, when you let it go on the day…

Fair enough, delete it then.

[Cobbler]

I’m not cool with raising it on here, when you let it go on the day…

I find this a very strange comment. Personally I am glad it has been raised on here. I also have been no saint at football matches but know the difference between banter and offensive behaviour. I am debating whether to go again with my child to Peterborough in what should just be a good day out. Not sure what the answer is. I would like to think the club have been made fully aware from the stewards who had to listen to it

[Winslow Lee]

I’m not cool with raising it on here, when you let it go on the day…

I’m sure nobody is denying that the more people that report it on the day the better. We are all human though, there’s going to be a thought about not wanting to get involved and that somebody else is bound to do it. Hopefully though discussing it on here will lead to more people contacting the club with information and maybe make more comfortable to report it on the day in the future. All true cobblers fans want to wipe this embarrassing blight from the club. I would encourage anyone who saw and heard this to give any information to the club.

[Tabasco Kid]

 Football has a habit of dragging up peoples innermost thoughts , and compelling them to shout it at the top of their voice. Particually if there has been a visit to the pub beforehand. There was an elderly lady who I used to see at away games. Demure, blond hair, purple rinse, hand knitted cardy, the full ticket.  "Sweary Mary" would sit on the front row, and let rip with a torrent of foul mouthed abuse that would put the young `uns to shame. Then put her hand over her mouth before saying, "did I just say that?". She never got thrown out though. One rule for nan, one rule for everybody else.
Thats one of the reasons that I never wanted Geema or Michelle sitting anywhere near me!

[DavCobb]

I do find it an interesting debate and a reflection on an ever changing world in terms of what is acceptable and what isn't. After all, people can choose to find offence in just about anything that is said.

Racial abuse was once very open, sexuality (highlighted here) clearly deemed abhorrent now by most....but the social conversation has moved onto using the correct pronoun and recognising just about every difference.
Who decides? There are a sizable minority that feel it is still OK to call the ref a wan*er....or that swearing in general is wholly acceptable regardless of the surrounding audience and context. I haven't sworn in front of my parents in 56 years, although I have admittedly dropped a few f bombs at the footie.

People still make sure Jimmy Carr plays to two sold out shows a night, yet his humour oversteps just about every 'acceptable' boundary in the name of comedy...but would Little Britain get made today? It's all a bit strange. I know Carr said that he has already made the recording that will see him cancelled.

I will openly admit that behind closed doors we have just about the most inappropriate sense of humour possible, as I am sure many, many do. I guess we can still blame the likes of Jimmy Carr for that....don't mind him BTW but not a huge fan.
 
It often leads to "...and that is why we will never be on Gogglebox"....but if people I mix with said some of that stuff I'd be mortified....funny innit.   

[BackOfTheNet]

It often leads to "...and that is why we will never be on Gogglebox"....but if people I mix with said some of that stuff I'd be mortified....funny innit.   

A phrase that is very often used in our house!

We say all sorts of abhorrent stuff behind closed doors but half the joke is that we know we don't mean it, that and the fact it's bloody brilliant watching our teenagers recoil in horror and gasp "You can't say that!!!"

[Tabasco Kid]

I saw Frankie Boyle live afew years back, and absolutely NOTHING was out of bounds. Jimmy Carr was nothing compared to that. And I was laughing so much that it hurt. But, you know what to expect when you buy the ticket.  But as Dav there will always be someone that plays the "deeply offensive" card.

[Cobbler]

I do find it an interesting debate and a reflection on an ever changing world in terms of what is acceptable and what isn't. After all, people can choose to find offence in just about anything that is said.

Racial abuse was once very open, sexuality (highlighted here) clearly deemed abhorrent now by most....but the social conversation has moved onto using the correct pronoun and recognising just about every difference.
Who decides? There are a sizable minority that feel it is still OK to call the ref a wan*er....or that swearing in general is wholly acceptable regardless of the surrounding audience and context. I haven't sworn in front of my parents in 56 years, although I have admittedly dropped a few f bombs at the footie.

People still make sure Jimmy Carr plays to two sold out shows a night, yet his humour oversteps just about every 'acceptable' boundary in the name of comedy...but would Little Britain get made today? It's all a bit strange. I know Carr said that he has already made the recording that will see him cancelled.

I will openly admit that behind closed doors we have just about the most inappropriate sense of humour possible, as I am sure many, many do. I guess we can still blame the likes of Jimmy Carr for that....don't mind him BTW but not a huge fan.
 
It often leads to "...and that is why we will never be on Gogglebox"....but if people I mix with said some of that stuff I'd be mortified....funny innit.   

I understand what you’re saying, however I think you’re totally missing the point. We are talking about homophobic and racial language at a football match at 3pm in the afternoon. Not talking about an over 18’s comedy performance. The fact is if my son repeated some of the things he heard on Saturday at school he would be sent home. That is not right

[BackOfTheNet]

Jimmy Carr repeatedly makes the point that "we're laughing at a joke about the bad thing, not the bad thing itself".

For me, it's about intent and audience. In the case of Jimmy Carr, I get the impression that he's quite a moral person and there's an intelligence to the things he says and an expectation that his audience is also intelligent enough to understand that. It's about that cringe factor where people are almost laughing because they know they shouldn't be laughing. His audience also know what to expect.

If he were to stand up at a football match and start yelling some of his jokes out then that's a different matter and it would be deeply inappropriate because he would have no idea who was in earshot.

It's the same with the knuckle draggers here. They probably think they are being funny but the context makes what they are saying unacceptable. And then there's the question of intent....

[DavCobb]

I understand what you’re saying, however I think you’re totally missing the point. We are talking about homophobic and racial language at a football match at 3pm in the afternoon. Not talking about an over 18’s comedy performance. The fact is if my son repeated some of the things he heard on Saturday at school he would be sent home. That is not right

Not really....

OK, leave the comedy out of it (no one at the football is reeling jokes off about cancer) and put it another way...where is the line because everyone's line is different?
You cite homophobic and racial language. In terms of me personally and if I have a little un with me, this doesn't worry me anymore than an f bomb. My kids are as liberal as they come, respecting everyone from every walk of life but I used to cringe when hearing plain swearing around them. As I said, I've never sworn in front of my parents and I'm sure you are a product of your upbringing.

So do we agree that if someone shouts "f*ck off ref" they should be thrown out with the guy who calls the right winger a b*nder?
How about those giving w*nker signs to opposing fans? Half of the players would be sent packing too!

Or is it a case that you are going to football so you have to expect a sprinkling of vile behaviour, which will be the defence of many.

I'm not someone advocating a totally happy clappy environment but have never enjoyed watching football after a skinful, which is the cause of much of the behavioural issues and there were certainly plenty of games I wouldn't have dreamt taking my kids to.

As to your comment on Jimmy Carr (BOTN) didn't Chubby Brown used to say that too? 
I think most comics (Frankie Boyle, Gervais and co) will be deemed to be intelligent enough to craft their material, material being the operative word. It is up to people whether they want to laugh along or be offended.
One of my favourite pieces of stand up was Stewart Lee's routine about Richard Hammond's car crash...just a joke, like on Top Gear.



 

[Manwork04]

Jesus we are now crossing a line about culture, woke and what’s acceptable.
Racial and homophobic chants or taunts aren’t acceptable, but try an old firm game, most of you would absolutely shyte yourselves some of the things there are unbelievable.
As for calling the ref a w@nker, well that’s par for the course as is winding up opposition fans.
As far as I am concerned alcohol and drugs are the main reasons people act inappropriately, but I guess it’s a release for some but it doesn’t excuse racial or homophobic abuse.

[Terryfenwickatemyhamster]

Fair enough, delete it then.

Why would I delete it? It's not an admin or moderating issue. I just think it should have been dealt with where it can be addressed, rather than on here. Almost everyone will respond by stating how deplorable it all is, with zero impact on those that caried it out. It's makes it even more ridiculous not to say what was actually shouted or said. We are left to respond or deal with something, that we only have your word for as offensive. At least give us something to react to...

[DavCobb]

Jesus we are now crossing a line about culture, woke and what’s acceptable.

Where do we stand on religion, any ethnicity, disability, parentage and female officials? So far calling the ref a w*nker and abusing the opposing fans is OK. 

As a former ginger I would like to also outlaw the highlighting of hair colour.

[Manwork04]

Where do we stand on religion, any ethnicity, disability, parentage and female officials? So far calling the ref a w*nker and abusing the opposing fans is OK. 

As a former ginger I would like to also outlaw the highlighting of hair colour.

Former ginger mate???

[DavCobb]

Former ginger mate???

Well, it dulled in tone and then fell out. I wasn't too sad TBH.