Reading Sat. 12th April

[Manwork04]

Look in a mirror!
Your opinion on Roberts is clueless!
He is one of the most skilled footballers we have had in recent seasons. It is up to us as a club to get a team formation to utilise those skills when he is fully fit.

Thinking and English comprehension are not your strong points, are they.
Go and read it again, then come and apologise.

[Melbourne Cobbler]

He's no doubt a good player, but we don't play in a manner that he's ever going to excel in. Same as Matt Grimes, ineffective for us, then went on to become a club captain with over 300 appearances in the Championship. Roberts will find himself a top-end League One club next season and do well.

Be interesting to see who Nolan brings in over the summer. As a club on a tight budget, might work well for us if he prioritizes work ethic and athleticism above all else as there should be plenty of players that fit that mould who won't demand a high salary. I'd expect us to become hard to beat but probably not great to watch.

Good point. However, given the quality of players that Nolan has brought in so far, I think the way in which we might play might be a bit of a surprise. I think there's an element of cutting his cloth to suit at the moment, and it may be that only when he has put together his own squad his preferred style of play will become apparent.

[WasRambo]

Would be interesting to know what brief KN gives Roberts and Fosu. What I mean is, if Eaves was playing regularly, would their brief be to beat your man and deliver a cross? Given we've rarely had that issue and given beating your man outside and putting a cross in seems to have gone out of fashion, I can only guess they're told to invert.

It's pure guesswork but theres every chance you'd see a lot more from both of them if they could play like traditional wingers. But right now, we're not going to waste possession throwing balls in when our strikers are half a foot shorter than your average centre back.

Imho, at this level, "the big man up top" still has a lot of merit if you have the players to provide the supply line

[CobblerForever]

Not sure what the length of contract has to do with anything if he’s deemed surplus to requirements or they want to send him out on loan as they don’t see him getting game time in the championship. I would be shocked if Leonard’s not on less wages than Roberts who they let come here.

"Marc Leonard earns £10,000 per week, £520,000 per year playing for Birmingham City as a DM, AM C. Marc Leonard 's net worth is £1,105,520. Marc Leonard is 22 years old and was born in Scotland. His current contract expires June 30, 2027".

https://salarysport.com/football/player/marc-leonard/#:~:text=Marc%20Leonard%20earns%20%C2%A310%2C000%20per%20week%2C%20%C2%A3520%2C000%20per,30%2C%202027.%20What%20is%20Marc%20Leonard%27s%20weekly%20salary%3F

Not sure about the validity of the end year being 2027 given a 4 year contract beginning in 2024 !

[Larry]

Marc Leonard is on a 4 year contract with Birmingham. There is absolutely no way we can afford the kind of outlay we'd need to afford to bring him here.

He's Championship standard, so if there's no space for him at Birmingham, you would expect another Championship club to take him.

[SC Cobbler]

He's Championship standard, so if there's no space for him at Birmingham, you would expect another Championship club to take him.

I'd be very surprised if a Championship side went in for a player who's just spent 90% of the season sat on the bench in the league below. Birmingham will probably be looking to loan him out to League One/SPL level sides with a view of bumping up his value with a view to sell.

[Tabasco Kid]

"Marc Leonard earns £10,000 per week, £520,000 per year playing for Birmingham City as a DM, AM C. Marc Leonard 's net worth is £1,105,520. Marc Leonard is 22 years old and was born in Scotland. His current contract expires June 30, 2027".

https://salarysport.com/football/player/marc-leonard/#:~:text=Marc%20Leonard%20earns%20%C2%A310%2C000%20per%20week%2C%20%C2%A3520%2C000%20per,30%2C%202027.%20What%20is%20Marc%20Leonard%27s%20weekly%20salary%3F

Not sure about the validity of the end year being 2027 given a 4 year contract beginning in 2024 !

I genuinly would give no credence to a web site that claims to know the salary, and net worth of everybody from football to ice hockey, and everything inbetween. Especially one that includes the following in its T&Cs...

Please note we only accept salaries from:

- Team/player press releases

- Confirmed by widely circulate articles from top tier publications

- Industry experts & team insiders

- Accurately and reliably sourced encyclopedias & databases

[Michael Walker]

"Marc Leonard earns £10,000 per week, £520,000 per year playing for Birmingham City as a DM, AM C. Marc Leonard 's net worth is £1,105,520. Marc Leonard is 22 years old and was born in Scotland. His current contract expires June 30, 2027".

https://salarysport.com/football/player/marc-leonard/#:~:text=Marc%20Leonard%20earns%20%C2%A310%2C000%20per%20week%2C%20%C2%A3520%2C000%20per,30%2C%202027.%20What%20is%20Marc%20Leonard%27s%20weekly%20salary%3F

Not sure about the validity of the end year being 2027 given a 4 year contract beginning in 2024 !

I tend to use SS and Transfermarket.com to get an approximate order of magnitude. I think it would be reasonable to think that Leonard and Roberts are on similar wages in the £8 -£12k a week range.

[Winslow Lee]

I think it would be reasonable to think that Leonard and Roberts are on similar wages in the £8 -£12k a week range.

I would actually be surprised if Leonard is on anywhere near what Roberts is on. When you look at both players previous experience, transfer history and the division Birmingham we’re in when they signed, it surely suggests Roberts wage requirements would have been massively higher.

[Tabasco Kid]

I would actually be surprised if Leonard is on anywhere near what Roberts is on. When you look at both players previous experience, transfer history and the division Birmingham we’re in when they signed, it surely suggests Roberts wage requirements would have been massively higher.

Indeed. I am also surprised that somebody on the board of the Trust, is referring to a less than convincing website, as a reasonable source of information.
Or maybe not.

[Zen Master]

Roberts was playing regularly under Bielsa at Leeds in the Prem with international call ups.To accept a move to a relatively big club in the championship would still be on big money. Time left on his contract
, where’s the incentive for him to move o other than another loan on the same money however it’s cut.
Good player but I’d take Bowie or Leonard every day of the week not that either us happening. Bowie is doing very well.

End product and goals lacking for Roberts and that’s where it matters.

[WasRambo]

Regardless of how you think he's performed, we were lucky / did well to get Roberts here. To an extent Fosu too but with him maybe he was on more of a recovery mission.

I get the Leonard / Bowie love in but as I personally recall, neither set the world alight in their first season; there were signs but it was really the second season they both took off. And neither arrived with a proven track record of League experience.

Roberts is quality; he's better than our level and would be better with better players around him. He came as player with internal and premier League experience and not as a has been on the way down.

Is he a player to build a team around? Not sure but we sure as hell should be trying to use his strengths more...

[Michael Walker]

Indeed. I am also surprised that somebody on the board of the Trust, is referring to a less than convincing website, as a reasonable source of information.
Or maybe not.

An order of magnitude is normally a power of 10 ..

So if one player in a squad is on £1k a week, another on approximately £10k, another on £100k..these are orders of magnitude.

So when I say that the order of magnitude is possibly about right, I mean that they are on approximately that order of magnitude in a particular range..

 I think it's reasonable to assume both of their wages are approximately £8-£12k rather than £1-£2k per week or £100-£200k per week.

The range suggested would have one player on 50% higher wages than the other at the margin.

As I think I've said before, if every post I make triggers your inner trust director shtick then as our old, and much missed friend F30 would say 'Walk on By'..

[Tabasco Kid]

I probably shouldn't bother but 'orders of magnitude' and '£8-£12k' a week actually mean something..

An order of magnitude is normally by a power of 10 ..

So one player in a squad is on £1k a week, another on approximately £10k, another on £100k..

So when I say that the order of magnitude is possibly about right, I mean that they are on approximately that order of magnitude in a range..

Ie, it's probably reasonable to assume that their wages are in that order of magnitude rather than in the previous order of magnitude. I.e, I think it's reasonable to assume both of their wages are approximately £8-£12k rather than £1-£2k per week or £100-£200k per week.

So, although it's probably easy to say 'Trust director and ' 'buffoon', it might be more illuminating to suggest what order of magnitude and range you think applies to both of them?

I dont recall mentioning the word "buffoon", not my style mate. I would be more direct than that.
My point is this, do not quote dodgy websites as reasonable, and expect people to accept them as factual. My opinion on people that like to play with figures, and use the term "order of magnitude" seven times in one post, would probably get me banned. 

[Michael Walker]

Roberts was playing regularly under Bielsa at Leeds in the Prem with international call ups.To accept a move to a relatively big club in the championship would still be on big money. Time left on his contract
, where’s the incentive for him to move o other than another loan on the same money however it’s cut.
Good player but I’d take Bowie or Leonard every day of the week not that either us happening. Bowie is doing very well.

End product and goals lacking for Roberts and that’s where it matters.

I didn't realise he'd played under Bielsa..that explains his furious getting stuck in approach..I did like Bowie...he was getting better and better but was always in the shadow of Leonard in the eyes of most supporters..

[Tabasco Kid]

As I think I've said before, if every post I make triggers your inner trust director shtick then as our old, and much missed friend F30 would say 'Walk on By'..

Dont concern yourself too much. F30 is back, just under a new name. And dont take it too personally, I dislike all of the current Trust board.

[Carton Lid]

Indeed. I am also surprised that somebody on the board of the Trust, is referring to a less than convincing website, as a reasonable source of information.
Or maybe not.

It's not really surprising that this board is dying, down to under 10 posts a day, when you get posts like this. The fact that MW is a Trust board member has f*ck all to do with what he posted but you thought you would be clever and get in a dig. It really is pathetic 

[Michael Walker]

It's not really surprising that this board is dying, down to under 10 posts a day, when you get posts like this. The fact that MW is a Trust board member has f*ck all to do with what he posted but you thought you would be clever and get in a dig. It really is pathetic 

As you can see, he 'dislikes all Trust board members', even the ones he's never met...

Still onto brighter things, are you coming to Charlton on Friday? We can have a pint.
   

[Carton Lid]

As you can see, he 'dislikes all Trust board members', even the ones he's never met...

Still onto brighter things, are you coming to Charlton on Friday? We can have a pint.
   

Yes I'll be there, I think we are heading to Borough Market pre match

[U.T.C]

An order of magnitude is normally a power of 10 ..

So if one player in a squad is on £1k a week, another on approximately £10k, another on £100k..these are orders of magnitude.

So when I say that the order of magnitude is possibly about right, I mean that they are on approximately that order of magnitude in a particular range..

 I think it's reasonable to assume both of their wages are approximately £8-£12k rather than £1-£2k per week or £100-£200k per week.

The range suggested would have one player on 50% higher wages than the other at the margin.

As I think I've said before, if every post I make triggers your inner trust director shtick then as our old, and much missed friend F30 would say 'Walk on By'..

“Our name is Legion, for we are many”.