Tyler
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« on: May 12, 2011, 16:53:48 pm » |
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Morecambe results 1st - Thornton - 3 pts 2nd - Tozer - 2 pts No Third Place Final POTS Table Dunn - 30 pts Osman - 27 pts Davis - 26 pts Holt - 26 pts Rodgers - 25 pts Thornton - 23 pts Jacobs - 22 pts Balding - 17 pts Tozer - 16 pts Beckwith - 16 pts Johnson - 16 pts Wedderburn - 15 pts McKenzie - 14 pts Gilligan - 11 pts McKay - 10 pts Harrad - 8 pts Bauza - 7 pts Webster - 6 pts Hall - 6 pts J. Walker - 5 pts Nana - 4 pts Reckord - 3 pts Jansson - 2 pts Hinton - 2 pts P. Walker - 1 pt King - 1 pt Purcell - 1 pt Laurent - 1 pt Uwezu - 1 pt Herbert - 0 Pts Konstantinou - 0 Pts Harris - 0 Pts Thanks to all that voted at some point or another throughout the season. I'm sure there will be alot of crying as to the winner but that's how it works. Well done Chris Dunn who becomes the Hotel End Player of the Season 2010-2011Now, feel free to start whinging
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Gonzales
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 19:37:15 pm » |
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How on Earth did we get this table? Chron player of the year Jacobs not in the top 5 but Rodgers and Osman are, both of whom have been released, with the top player being one of the figures of blame in our relegation a few years back and someone who the majority are demanding gets replaced. Madness!
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Bingers
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 21:15:57 pm » |
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If we look at points per game started, we have the following table (top seven only, wasn't sure how to work out Balding):
1. Thornton 1.21 (23/19) 2. Rodgers 0.81 (25/31) 3. Davis 0.76 (26/34) 4. Holt 0.7 (26/37) 5. Dunn 0.7 (30/43) 6. Jacobs 0.61 (22/36) 7. Osman 0.6 (27/45)
Is that any better?
How the POTS currently works is how the POTS works. I'm sure constructive ideas on how to work it would be welcomed. It has been going for a few years in its current state because nothing better has been proposed.
For my tuppen'th, I think if there are two players sharing first place, there shouldn't be a second place or if there are two sharing second place, there shouldn't be a third place.
Anyway, good on you Tyler for doing your stuff, I hope you continue not to have a social life once you reach the dizzy heights of the sixth form so that you can keep up the good work.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 21:34:22 pm » |
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Everyone voting at the end of the season normally gets the player(s) that have performed over the last few games, this method is voted on after each and every match throughout the season. Despite the criticism of this seasons winner, he has been voted by all those who have attended after each and every game. Performances over perception..
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TbananaG
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 12:43:52 pm » |
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How on Earth did we get this table? Chron player of the year Jacobs not in the top 5 but Rodgers and Osman are, both of whom have been released, with the top player being one of the figures of blame in our relegation a few years back and someone who the majority are demanding gets replaced. Madness!
In the same way that we ended up with the Con/Lib coalition - that's democracy for you.
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Gonzales
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 15:36:24 pm » |
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I'm not critisising Tyler. I am the same age as he is, so I know that he must have plenty of work to do with GCSE exams starting on monday, yet still manages to do POTS every game. I'm just amazed at how the majority critisise Dunn and yet he ends up being POTS.
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Macc Cobbler
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 15:50:08 pm » |
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Because that is how the scoring works ........... a person could be voted the best player for 10 games and get 30 points, and be the worst player on the pitch for the remaining 36 games, and he will still finish with a total of 30 points.
Well done Dunny !!
It is quite interesting how the likes of Osman and Davis are also high up in the final table.
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TbananaG
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 15:53:08 pm » |
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I'm not critisising Tyler. I am the same age as he is, so I know that he must have plenty of work to do with GCSE exams starting on monday, yet still manages to do POTS every game. I'm just amazed at how the majority critisise Dunn and yet he ends up being POTS.
That's because "the majority critisise Dunn" simply isn't true. What is true is that a small number of people go on and on and on and on about not liking Dunn, but the majority among the people who have been to the games and assessed all the players' performances have voted him Player of the Season. It's propoganda versus democracy. A vocal, bullying minority against a quiet majority.
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TbananaG
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 15:57:09 pm » |
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Because that is how the scoring works ........... a person could be voted the best player for 10 games and get 30 points, and be the worst player on the pitch for the remaining 36 games, and he will still finish with a total of 30 points.
Which is exactly how Jacobs came to be the Chron Player of the Season. We all think he's got outstanding talent and probably a very bright future in the game but, equally, all of us who went to a lot of games know that there were lots of times that he went missing without a trace. I think he's probably our best player, but I don't think he was our player of the season.
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Gen.Disorda
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2011, 16:07:31 pm » |
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I think he's probably our best player, but I don't think he was our player of the season.
spot on I think the system is fair. If dunny got the most points , then he got the most points Mabey it could be done on a player rating system where everybody gives each player a rating and these are added up , but with substitutes getting a percentage of the points gained depending on the amount of minutes on the pitch (rounded to the nearest 15 mins to keep it simple). Although dunn would probably have won with this system aswel as he would have played the most games and would pick up points every week.
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TbananaG
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I don't think there's a problem with the points system - the player wins POTS under this system who most fans think played best in most games.
The confusion comes because most comments made at length on here about players are made by a small number of people who post a lot of times to express their dislike of the scapegoat of the month - which Dunny has been for a few people this season who've written at great length about that. Again, that doesn't mean it's what the majority think - the POTS is a far more reliable indicator of what the majority think.
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With all due respect to Clare, I really don't want to see her finish that high again.
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Because that is how the scoring works ........... a person could be voted the best player for 10 games and get 30 points, and be the worst player on the pitch for the remaining 36 games, and he will still finish with a total of 30 points.
Well done Dunny !!
It is quite interesting how the likes of Osman and Davis are also high up in the final table.
Good points raised there. If every player was voted on a 1 to 10 basis every game, with average scores worked out at the end, you'd get a completely different table.
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threeinabed
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For my tuppen'th, I think if there are two players sharing first place, there shouldn't be a second place or if there are two sharing second place, there shouldn't be a third place.
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You also get the anomaly that sometimes a MotM is close, six players may get 5 votes each, another gets 6 and is declared as MotM and gets 3 points when in truth it was a bit nip and tuck. On another occasion a player produces an outstanding performance and gets almost all the votes yet still only recieves 3 points. Perhaps a fairer way would be to count all the votes? This could be done with a poll post each week with the choices of all those players appearing. Just an idea.
As for Jacobs getting the award from the Chron, well that vote is overwhelmingly from supporters who only see home games where you would imagine an attacking winger is likely to be more prominent.
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As for Jacobs getting the award from the Chron, well that vote is overwhelmingly from supporters who only see home games where you would imagine an attacking winger is likely to be more prominent.
True, which is why some clubs have 'home' and 'away' awards.
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“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2009
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