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« on: November 10, 2011, 18:56:32 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Football_League_managers

Only 28 managers have been in their jobs for over 2 years...

Already, there are 31 managers who have been in their positions for less time than Gary Johnson has.

It really makes a mockery of giving a football manager a 3 year (or even 2 year) contract!

Not overly Cobblers related but its incredible reading when you take a look at the list. Below are the ones (not many!) who have been in their jobs for over 3 years. The old saying that continuity increases the likeness of success isn't necessarily the case when you run through the list...

Alex Ferguson      31 December 1941   Manchester United   Premier League   6 November 1986 [1]   25 years, 4 days
Arsène Wenger      22 October 1949   Arsenal   Premier League   1 October 1996 [2] [n 1]   15 years, 40 days
John Coleman      12 October 1962   Accrington Stanley   League Two   10 August 1999 [3]   12 years, 92 days
David Moyes      25 April 1963   Everton   Premier League   15 March 2002 [4]   9 years, 240 days
John Still      24 April 1950   Dagenham & Redbridge   League Two   17 April 2004 [5]   7 years, 207 days
Tony Pulis      16 January 1958   Stoke City   Premier League   14 June 2006 [6]   5 years, 149 days
Paul Tisdale      14 January 1973   Exeter City   League One   26 June 2006 [7]   5 years, 137 days
Mick McCarthy      7 February 1959   Wolverhampton Wanderers   Premier League   21 July 2006 [8]   5 years, 112 days
Terry Brown      5 August 1952   AFC Wimbledon   League Two   15 May 2007 [9]   4 years, 179 days
Steve Evans      30 October 1962   Crawley Town   League Two   29 May 2007 [10]   4 years, 165 days
Kenny Jackett      5 January 1962   Millwall   Championship   6 November 2007 [11]   4 years, 4 days
Graham Westley      4 March 1968   Stevenage   League One   2 May 2008 [12]   3 years, 192 days
Harry Redknapp      2 March 1947   Tottenham Hotspur   Premier League   26 October 2008 [13] [n 2]   3 years, 15 days
Greg Abbott      14 December 1963   Carlisle United   League One   3 November 2008 [14][15]   3 years, 7 days

By my reckoning, from the list of 14 above, only 5 or 6 could you classed as 'boxing above their weight and exceeding realistic expectations given budget etc'.

So that throws that argument out of the window to keep the current incumbent! Or indeed any manager at any given time.

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 19:23:09 pm »

United are almost always top, so you couldn't accuse them of overacheiving... Accrington - Gates of under 2k, pushed for play-offs last year, Dagenham & Redbridge - Two succesive promotions from non-league to League 1, also very small gates for this league, Stoke - Championship side now established in the Premiership, Tisdale, Two succesive promotions from Conference to League 1, Brown - God knows how many succesive promotions for the Dons over the last few years, Evans - Given the world and a half, but pushing for second succesive promotion, Westley - Non League team, now in League 1, Redknapp - Broke the 'Big 4'...

I think the majority of those lot are arguably overacheving, but then again, does that mean that managers who get given time are succesful or that succesful managers are given time?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 20:54:10 pm »

I think the majority of those lot are arguably overacheving, but then again, does that mean that managers who get given time are succesful or that succesful managers are given time?
I can't think of any that are under achieving on that list.
There is a merry go round with managers and it's the fans that demand a quick fix. If a chairman is confident enough to give his manager three years he should see it through. A strong chairman shouldn't worry what the fans say, just think Mike Ashley.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 11:27:42 am »

Yup surely all those teams are at least meeting expectations, with the majority exceeding.

If they had been under achieving then they wouldnt be on that list.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 11:37:50 am »

as the previous post says, none on that list are failing, if they were then they wouldnt be on it.

but is it a case of continuity bringing success, or success bringing continuity?
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 11:42:30 am »

as the previous post says, none on that list are failing, if they were then they wouldnt be on it.

but is it a case of continuity bringing success, or success bringing continuity?

The latter.  From the list, arguably only Ferguson and possibly Moyes have been affored staying time at the club when things were a bit sticky
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 11:45:06 am »

Look who's second on the list - there are Arsenal fans baying for Wenger's blood after their poor end to last season and poor start to this one - success brings continuity, but no manager is ever secure.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 11:51:03 am »

Many years ago the manager was just a 'trainer' whose duties were to pick the best players made available to him and play a style of football dictated by a  board of directors, these managers were in the job for decades.


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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 19:59:31 pm »

I guess the thing to do would (if you wanted to make an absolutely direct comparision) be to look at how these clubs were faring after the present  manager had been in the job for 6 months.

I completely agree with Alton. You pick the right man and then stick with him, barring an absolutle total and uttter disaster. I guess another question might be whether or not our present situation represents a disaster.

I have also posted already that the present top half of our league is (or was a couple of weeks ago) made up almost entirely of managers who have had at least one full season, and the bottom half almost entirely of managers in their first full season. I personally think this is a much more telling statistic.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 20:45:26 pm »

I guess another question might be whether or not our present situation represents a disaster.

Another question would be, how many less points per game would represent a disaster if our current situation doesn't?

...and the bottom half almost entirely of managers in their first full season.

Another question would be, how many of those managers were allowed to clear out an entire team and start again?

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