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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #17820 on: July 18, 2016, 08:17:04 am »

I dont know if this has already been posted on this thread, and I cant be bothered to trawl back through it all, but an unamed businessman is trying to prevent Google from revealing any information about him.
He appears to work in the financial sector, and refers to himself as NT2.
Ring any bells?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14261195.Businessman_sues_Google_over__data_breach_/?ref=rss
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« Reply #17821 on: July 18, 2016, 14:28:38 pm »

I couldn't agree more with the last part of that comment, the complete lack of ambition is probably a reflection on the town in general and after decades of survival people are just willing to accept anything.
There's a huge difference between accepting anything and simply being realistic. Our house needs at least £40, 000 spsnding on it to bring it up to scratch, but if you think I'm going to achieve that by borrowing the money then going bust then yoy can think again.
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« Reply #17822 on: July 18, 2016, 16:22:33 pm »

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/exclusive-leaked-papers-reveal-northampton-town-s-loan-disaster-could-have-been-averted-by-land-sale-1-7483142

Offers of up to £24.5 million to develop the land around Sixfields Stadium were on the table in January of last year, leaked papers have revealed.

The bundle of files, seen by the Chronicle & Echo, was sent by an anonymous source referred to only as ‘A Taxpayer” to members of Northampton Borough Council, and shows four companies had offered to buy the contaminated land around Sixfields.

Had any one of the deals gone through, the club would, potentially, not have found itself on the brink of liquidation.

All the offers for the 30-acre site were received between January and February 2015 and none were taken up.

At the time leases on the land were held by County Developments (Northampton) Limited, the company set up to oversee the development around Sixfields Stadium.

The firm was originally a joint venture between the Cardozas and the Bushey-based County Group set up in 2013. However, by the time the offers were made, CDNL was entirely owned by the Cardozas after they had parted company with the County Group.

It was always the intention that the £10.25 million given to Northampton Town Football Club to develop Sixfields Stadium in 2013 and 2014 would be repaid by getting planning permission in place for the land around the ground and selling it to a retail developer.

Throughout that time, the Cardozas and County Group never managed to strike a deal with a buyer - meaning the loan to the council was never repaid.

However, the leaked documents show the whole saga might have been averted if any of the four offers put on the table for the land had been successful.

They were from developers Helical Retail Limited, Kier Project Investment Limited, Persimmon Homes and Aberdeen Assett Management.

Solihull-based Helical offered County Group, in a letter to director Howard Grossman, £24.5 million for the site on January 23, 2015, offering to build a 150,000 sq ft retail development.

Managing director Jonathan Cox, told the Chron this week, his company pulled out because they didn’t like the “financial arrangements” around the deal.

All the offers for the 30-acre site were received between January and February 2015 and none were taken up.

At the time leases on the land were held by County Developments (Northampton) Limited, the company set up to oversee the development around Sixfields Stadium.

The firm was originally a joint venture between the Cardozas and the Bushey-based County Group set up in 2013. However, by the time the offers were made, CDNL was entirely owned by the Cardozas after they had parted company with the County Group.

It was always the intention that the £10.25 million given to Northampton Town Football Club to develop Sixfields Stadium in 2013 and 2014 would be repaid by getting planning permission in place for the land around the ground and selling it to a retail developer.

Throughout that time, the Cardozas and County Group never managed to strike a deal with a buyer - meaning the loan to the council was never repaid.

“They had a good parcel of land - they had a win-win situation,” he said. “They went from that to a lose-lose situation.

“If they had struck a deal with us the council could have got their £10 million back, the football club would have got their stand, but they were trying to be a bit too clever. They blew it.”

Aberdeen Assett Management’s £20 million offer was for 15 retail and leisure units, which could have included a TK Maxx and a River island.

Kier was not available for comment, though their headline offer would have been £23 million. A spokesman for Aberdeen Assett Management has also been approached for comment.

A spokesman for the land-buying team at Persimmon Homes, said the housebuilders pulled out of the deal because the contaminated former landfill site would not have been suitable for housing. Its offer was initially for £12 million.

A source linked to County Group claimed the reason none of the deals were struck was because Northampton Borough Council had not “signed off” on a planning sweetener deal.

In December 2014 County Group got planning permission in principal for a retail park, conference centre, hotel and up to 255 homes at Sixfields.

But as an agreement was never struck between the two parties about amount that would need to be put aside in planning sweeteners, otherwise called section 106 monies, the land never attained have full planning permission.

The County Group source claims they could not sell the land without planning permission in place, which they also claim was a result of delays at the borough council end.

By the time the offers were made in January and February 2015, CDNL was entirely owned David and Anthony Cardoza as they had parted company with the County Group at this stage.

A spokesman for Northampton Borough Council said: “A Section 106 agreement could only be signed once the land had been transferred to County Developments (Northampton) Limited. The transfer was conditional on the company proving that they were ready with a financially viable scheme for the development of the land, and had the funds available to move forward. They did not meet this condition and the council could not transfer the land without this.

“The borough council was not party to the correspondence that has been sent to the Chronicle & Echo, and we do not know why the offers mentioned were not taken forward by County Developments (Northampton) Limited.”

Leader of the borough’s Labour group, Councillor Danielle Stone, said the documents showed potential opportunities to sell the land were missed.

She said: “This new information throws up more questions than answers. It seems that there were some genuine possibilities that the land around Sixfields could have been developed for commercial and residential use. Some big businesses were very much interested in the development. Had an offer been taken up then the loan could have been repaid in full by NTFC. Why didn’t these people pursue the offers from these companies? Perhaps they were waiting for a better offer which never came.”
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« Reply #17823 on: July 19, 2016, 08:59:27 am »

Makes very interesting reading.
Shows the nature of the people involved. Money was to be made, but instead of waiting until the end of the project, they all got a bit greedy and took the money out straight away it seems.
If they had taken the money at the end, the stand would have been built and nobody would have been any the wiser.
Also shows up more lies, as we were informed there wasn't enough money in the deal to fund a new Stand , Conference Centre and a Hotel without further borrowing.
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« Reply #17824 on: July 19, 2016, 10:15:33 am »

Makes very interesting reading.
Shows the nature of the people involved. Money was to be made, but instead of waiting until the end of the project, they all got a bit greedy and took the money out straight away it seems.
If they had taken the money at the end, the stand would have been built and nobody would have been any the wiser.
Also shows up more lies, as we were informed there wasn't enough money in the deal to fund a new Stand , Conference Centre and a Hotel without further borrowing.

' got a bit greedy - understatement possibly!
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« Reply #17825 on: July 19, 2016, 14:14:26 pm »

So far this summer the only improvement on last season is that the club say the toilets have an entrance and a seperate exit!!!!


When do we hear about ANY development progress and dates?

When do we hear about the signings of TWO wide midfielders, ONE striker and ONE central midfielder...........MINIMUM!
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« Reply #17826 on: July 19, 2016, 18:20:05 pm »

So far this summer the only improvement on last season is that the club say the toilets have an entrance and a seperate exit!!!!


When do we hear about ANY development progress and dates?

When do we hear about the signings of TWO wide midfielders, ONE striker and ONE central midfielder...........MINIMUM!

New ticketing system, new agreement for training facilities, Uni sponsor the club again and drop the Saints and the cricket club, new club shop, quality kit supplier....on time, frozen ST's, a championship striker signed, a promise of more to come, excellent PR with the trophy around the county, stadium decorated by Parkers and Son..... oh and three weeks until the season starts for new signings...... I 'd say we've had some development really.

Yes, it's frustrating with regards to the East Stand, but based on his record so far, KT does not bulls***. When it's a fact, he gives a full brief. I'd rather he said nothing unless there's something to say....
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« Reply #17827 on: July 19, 2016, 19:28:22 pm »

£2 price rise in ticket prices.
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« Reply #17828 on: July 19, 2016, 20:07:27 pm »

10% discount for season ticket holders stopped in club shop.

No problem IF the money goes promptly to new facilities and players!
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« Reply #17829 on: July 19, 2016, 20:50:39 pm »

Are you seriously trying to pick fault with the new owners after you spent much of the past couple of seasons steadfastly defending cardoza?
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« Reply #17830 on: July 19, 2016, 20:56:53 pm »

10% discount for season ticket holders stopped in club shop.

No problem IF the money goes promptly to new facilities and players!
another outsourced stream of revenue so any profits will be seen by Nike share holders before any ageing journey man footballer / youth loanee/ extra 2000 seats / large supporters bar/ appearance in the championship. Hope that helps.
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« Reply #17831 on: July 19, 2016, 21:05:59 pm »

another outsourced stream of revenue so any profits will be seen by Nike share holders before any ageing journey man footballer / youth loanee/ extra 2000 seats / large supporters bar/ appearance in the championship. Hope that helps.
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and what if it makes a loss ......
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« Reply #17832 on: July 19, 2016, 21:30:43 pm »

quote from Beds Cobblers "another outsourced stream of revenue so any profits will be seen by Nike share holders before any ageing journey man footballer / youth loanee/ extra 2000 seats / large supporters bar/ appearance in the championship. Hope that helps".



and what if it makes a loss ......
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« Reply #17833 on: July 20, 2016, 07:17:29 am »

I'm not sure if this has been announced publicly but the temporary 'mesh' advertising on the East Stand has only been sold until November. Whilst it hasn't been publicised, my understanding is that work has been pencilled in to start on the remainder of the East shortly afterwards. I would guess that any announcement on this will come in due course but I'll let you all get back to your incessant worrying for now.

£2 price rise in ticket prices.

You're such a miserable sod.
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« Reply #17834 on: July 20, 2016, 08:11:58 am »

I'm not sure if this has been announced publicly but the temporary 'mesh' advertising on the East Stand has only been sold until November. Whilst it hasn't been publicised, my understanding is that work has been pencilled in to start on the remainder of the East shortly afterwards. I would guess that any announcement on this will come in due course but I'll let you all get back to your incessant worrying for now.

In February these 'temporary' signs were sold until the end of the season with the promise that new permanent signs would be in place by April. As a corporate supporter (and a season ticket holder) I have completley given up on exploring advertising options with the club, far too many false promises over the past few years. 
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« Reply #17835 on: July 21, 2016, 07:43:36 am »

In February these 'temporary' signs were sold until the end of the season with the promise that new permanent signs would be in place by April. As a corporate supporter (and a season ticket holder) I have completley given up on exploring advertising options with the club, far too many false promises over the past few years. 

Those false promises came from KT did they?
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« Reply #17836 on: July 21, 2016, 08:02:45 am »

Those false promises came from KT did they?
The one in February - Yes, directly.
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« Reply #17837 on: July 21, 2016, 08:31:39 am »

A false promise or the situation changed?
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« Reply #17838 on: July 21, 2016, 08:54:37 am »

A false promise or the situation changed?
Déjà vu
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« Reply #17839 on: July 21, 2016, 11:43:25 am »

Couldn't agree more Vince, only time will tell but I have grave doubts about KTs motives and longevity at our club.
Would love him to prove me wrong though
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