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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #20340 on: October 11, 2017, 18:13:42 pm »

This isn't about keyboard warriors/kelvin Thomas/ Chinese/KTs face book fan club or any other sycophants or megalomaniacs..
Its about Northampton town  football club getting the stadium worthy of a very respected old football club that plays in a s***e little stadium unfit for purpose despite representing a town of over 230,000.
The title is "redevelopment closer than ever" and not sit a drink coffee with the Chairman as he explains why the RCTE isnt happening anytime soon😂😂

Simplistic balls*** - there are millions of examples of "not fit for purpose" - actually sixfields is not one of them - more a case of "not ideal for purpose" but and it's a big but - to change to "fit for purpose" requires investment, and you, me and I suspect no one on this thread have either the position or the resource to make that investment - so until you can actually offer a realistic solution your rantings increasingly position you as not very smart.
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« Reply #20341 on: October 11, 2017, 19:24:03 pm »

Hi Alistair,  can you PM me the time as I might be able to get permission to go  Grin

My wife knows how much I have put into helping before and the strain and time it takes up

My passion for NTFC, like Beds, causes me to be an outcast and upsetting staff members, the Trust etc etc, so am a bit reluctant to get this involved again

Like others have said, including Drilling, he ain't going to give any answers, especially not to keyboard warriors.



 



Best of luck when you meet him. Same to Mr Slowe and anyone else who attends. And fair play to AS for making the effort to set it up.

I think theres more chance of May telling us all what her plans are for Brexit than KT telling any of us what his plans for the ground are though!  Grin

I do like 'our Kelvin' though, but he will put you's lot in a spin I can absolutely guarantee you that!
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« Reply #20342 on: October 11, 2017, 20:47:24 pm »

I like and very much support KT , but he is an expert at appearing to front up but actually very rarely says anything significant in public .
I admire him for it - it’s a great skill !
However , like others have found , he does reply in private and is actually quite open.
As a result of that , I don’t like to break any confidences out of respect .
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« Reply #20343 on: October 11, 2017, 21:32:27 pm »

Simplistic balls*** - there are millions of examples of "not fit for purpose" - actually sixfields is not one of them - more a case of "not ideal for purpose" but and it's a big but - to change to "fit for purpose" requires investment, and you, me and I suspect no one on this thread have either the position or the resource to make that investment - so until you can actually offer a realistic solution your rantings increasingly position you as not very smart.
Im not feeling the love on here today😂
Unlike KT I have in fact come up with a very workable solution to our capacity issue, one that involves the most important factor and thats the supporters of Northampton town and those all important future supporters encouraged to our club by a more professional welcoming Sixfields.
All based on higher future earnings.
Small sustainable growth works, being stung out like idiots waiting on free  council land  doesnt.
I still hope kt/consortium/ Chinese actually do have the clubs long tern interests at heart and start doing something.
Without question, he needs us more that we need him.



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« Reply #20344 on: October 12, 2017, 04:19:17 am »

Im not feeling the love on here today😂
Unlike KT I have in fact come up with a very workable solution to our capacity issue, one that involves the most important factor and thats the supporters of Northampton town and those all important future supporters encouraged to our club by a more professional welcoming Sixfields.
All based on higher future earnings.
Small sustainable growth works, being stung out like idiots waiting on free  council land  doesnt.
I still hope kt/consortium/ Chinese actually do have the clubs long tern interests at heart and start doing something.
Without question, he needs us more that we need him.





Again you miss the point - coming up with the facts (as you see them), even if correct is the same as proposing a solution when you don't have the means to implement them - most of us get the idea and in general agree but accept certain realities over desire and means.
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« Reply #20345 on: October 12, 2017, 06:46:06 am »

Again you miss the point - coming up with the facts (as you see them), even if correct is the same as proposing a solution when you don't have the means to implement them - most of us get the idea and in general agree but accept certain realities over desire and means.
The clubs several thousand loyal regulars and the town's  central location with a  vast untapped catchment is the means that turns desire into reality.
Waiting on Outside  speculators who are hoping on free council land to possibly  give our club a percentage,  how much is   dependent on generousity and not stated amounts  is the longest shot of all  and won't add up to value for money that's for sure.
This is why I believe the trust must not attack the council but go hard on Thomas to help us make sense of what he hopes to achieve and we can then get things moving.
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« Reply #20346 on: October 12, 2017, 07:08:45 am »

So why not meet him and discuss that with him, the one person who can impact it?
You claim Kelvin knows your name, well guess what..he knows mine also Grin
The one  person who you claim can make an impact has had 2 years and is still banging on the guildhall door, and we still don't even know why, who, what, where and how much!
Have you thought of what several thousand voices could do when working with those 'decision makers' they would soon  make the right ones by the club.
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« Reply #20347 on: October 12, 2017, 07:12:15 am »

Beds, are you certain that the present owners fall into your description of outside speculators wanting free land from the Council for their own benefit and not the club's or only a small percentage?  In other words, Cardozas revisited?  If you are certain please provide the evidence to support the statement or is this conjecture on your part?  
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« Reply #20348 on: October 12, 2017, 07:48:52 am »

Beds, are you certain that the present owners fall into your description of outside speculators wanting free land from the Council for their own benefit and not the club's or only a small percentage?  In other words, Cardozas revisited?  If you are certain please provide the evidence to support the statement or is this conjecture on your part?  
We dont know what we can expect until the council gives up leases on ajoining land..  Thats what we all believe is the cause of the inactivity.
Didn't KT himself say last week the council are not readily handing leases over to him?
The council have claimed he can get on with work on the East regardless?
Thats the general consensus if you know different, please enlighten.
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« Reply #20349 on: October 12, 2017, 08:02:59 am »

Conjecture then.

All I, and I think most of us know, is that the Council managed to grant 2 leases over the same piece of land (well played NBC) and that there are queries over the boundary lines.  This is what KT said and so far as I know the Council has said nothing and done nothing.

If this was a case of Cardozas revisited I would object strongly.  Any land that comes from the Council should be only for the football club and for its benefit. The owners would benefit by an enhanced valuation of their shares following redevelopment and that would surely be enough. Any additional profit on the side as it were arising from being a developer to my mind would be totally unacceptable and greedy.  If this was the case then I would hope that the Trust will object loudly.
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« Reply #20350 on: October 12, 2017, 09:46:34 am »

Let's just clear something up for a moment KT is a business man, Cardozy was  common th**f and a cutn.
You can't compare them and I don't think anybody is.
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« Reply #20351 on: October 12, 2017, 11:52:51 am »

Conjecture then.

All I, and I think most of us know, is that the Council managed to grant 2 leases over the same piece of land (well played NBC) and that there are queries over the boundary lines.  This is what KT said and so far as I know the Council has said nothing and done nothing.

If this was a case of Cardozas revisited I would object strongly.  Any land that comes from the Council should be only for the football club and for its benefit. The owners would benefit by an enhanced valuation of their shares following redevelopment and that would surely be enough. Any additional profit on the side as it were arising from being a developer to my mind would be totally unacceptable and greedy.  If this was the case then I would hope that the Trust will object loudly.
Amen to that.
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« Reply #20352 on: October 12, 2017, 12:02:19 pm »

Im not feeling the love on here today😂
Unlike KT I have in fact come up with a very workable solution to our capacity issue, one that involves the most important factor and thats the supporters of Northampton town and those all important future supporters encouraged to our club by a more professional welcoming Sixfields.
All based on higher future earnings.
Small sustainable growth works, being stung out like idiots waiting on free  council land  doesnt.
I still hope kt/consortium/ Chinese actually do have the clubs long tern interests at heart and start doing something.
Without question, he needs us more that we need him.





No you haven't. You plucked some numbers from your árse and when asked to back them up with facts you just can't do it.
I cannot work out if you are dillusional or a wind-up merchant.
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« Reply #20353 on: October 12, 2017, 16:36:03 pm »

As a fishing trip goes, BedsCobb has done exceptionally well.


Someone contact Norris McWhirter for the longest forum thread ever.
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« Reply #20354 on: October 12, 2017, 16:48:13 pm »

It's not Beds keeping it going its the spectacular failure to improve a simple ground built for easy expansion. (Bar KT who appears to be doing his best).

I would love to see the original plans for expansion they must exist somewhere.
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« Reply #20355 on: October 12, 2017, 17:06:15 pm »

Do you mean the original original from Ballast Needham following completion of existing structure?
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« Reply #20356 on: October 12, 2017, 17:19:29 pm »

Do you mean the original original from Ballast Needham following completion of existing structure?

Yes. Massive mistake to let Cardoza go with his bonkers plans. Should have been pressed to keep as much as possible to simple bolt on structure.

Always saddens me that a decent stand was ruined in the East. Great disabled facilities. Should never have been allowed to cut it in half without using original expansion plans.
Getting back to the gist of this thread I think we need more from the Trust to keep fans in the loop and prevent rumours as much as possible.
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« Reply #20357 on: October 12, 2017, 17:27:42 pm »

No you haven't. You plucked some numbers from your árse and when asked to back them up with facts you just can't do it.
I cannot work out if you are dillusional or a wind-up merchant.
What part did you not understand?
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« Reply #20358 on: October 12, 2017, 17:30:14 pm »

The architects Taylor, Tulip and Hunter went into liquidation in 2012. The original statements about the stadium were.
The Dave Bowen Stand (North) and South Stands are identical, each containing just under 1,000 seats and both are capable of future extension. Similarly the Alwyn Hargraves Stand (East Stand) is also capable of extension, and incorporates modern changing facilities for the Athletics Club, an All Weather track and provides space for the Football in the Community office.

For each end or at least one a simple double up would be a start.

Come on Beds I really need your insights



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« Reply #20359 on: October 12, 2017, 18:56:26 pm »

I've previous asked KT why he won't release plans subject to council approval/legalities being resolved etc. His answer was that he doesn't want to release any plans because it raises expectations unnecessarily. That the previous owner had released a number of artist impressions etc and that they didn't do him/NTFC any favours. The latter was hard to argue against, after all DC initially released nice designs but quickly they got worse and worse as we know, who can ever forget the one with stilts?!  Grin

KT *might be using the whole DC regime as a smoke screen. He *might not be. I guess that depends on whether or not you trust him or not. At this point in time I whole heartedly trust him, he saved my football club and is still basking himself in sun under palm trees on a white sandy beached island in the Caribbean. However, the honeymoon is coming to an end and the flight home is imminent.

He's been here 2 years, he's done absolutely nothing to give any of us reason not to trust him or to treat him suspiciously. We know the council are not playing game, and from my understanding Vintage hits the spot (ref granting two leases). What the exact implications are with that, haven't a scooby. Im not intelligent enough to fully grasp it!

HOWEVER. There comes a point when a player needs to show their cards. And its probably fair to say that that time is rapidly approaching. Depending on your own stance, that time *might be now or might be in 10 years time (two thirds of the fan base refused to even join in the we want answers campaign when it started).

My own stance on the matter is that Id like to see what the prize is on offer before committing one way or t'other as to throwing my own weight behind any campaign to get the council to kick their ass's into gear. I fully understand why most fans are less concerned at this stage though. The game will play out rather quickly from now on in I feel.
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