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« Reply #20940 on: February 07, 2018, 11:40:30 am »

Nothing is gonna happen soon then.

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« Reply #20941 on: February 07, 2018, 12:03:55 pm »

Nothing is gonna happen soon then.

The redevelopment thread in a nutshell.
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« Reply #20942 on: February 07, 2018, 14:07:19 pm »

Nothing is gonna happen soon then.


What makes you say that ?
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« Reply #20943 on: February 08, 2018, 09:24:19 am »

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2018/february/kelvin_thomas_feb18/

2nd video on this link contains an East Stand Update towards the end.

KT seems mightily frustrated with NBC. Says club has done everything that has been asked of it, and is now waiting for the council to finalise the legalities and give the go ahead.
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« Reply #20944 on: February 08, 2018, 10:15:26 am »

KT is clearly annoyed at the lack of progress within the council and you canít blame him .
The problem is , the council is going to be under severe scrutiny whatever path it takes towards the redevelopment .
Any perceived favouritism towards the football club is going to be lambasted by the public and quite rightly so .
Unfortunately whether you like it or not , the club has burnt its bridges and no one will do us any favours .
Many people in the town think the club should not even exist after what happened with the cash .
The current political agenda with the County Council and the furore around Mackintosh wonít be helping .
Itís a waiting game and I suspect it will go on for some time to come .
NTFC is persona non grata and we have to get over it
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« Reply #20945 on: February 08, 2018, 10:17:41 am »

He also states that a paper is being prepared by Council Officers for the Cabinet but does not know what date it will be considered.

He asked fans to contact their local Borough Councillor. As I live outside Northampton I am unable to contact a Councillor but I hope local fans make the effort and contact local Northampton Councillors to get a date and put pressure on them to get a decision................please!!!
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« Reply #20946 on: February 08, 2018, 11:58:23 am »

He also states that a paper is being prepared by Council Officers for the Cabinet but does not know what date it will be considered.

He asked fans to contact their local Borough Councillor. As I live outside Northampton I am unable to contact a Councillor but I hope local fans make the effort and contact local Northampton Councillors to get a date and put pressure on them to get a decision................please!!!

Without knowing the intricacies surrounding the current delay, it'd be a bit much writing to your local councilor and asking them to hurry up with reaching a decision. Yes, we've all heard about the issuing of identical leases to separate parties, but the current delay seems to surround land to the back of the stand. If the club wants voices to be raised in their support, then they need to go public with exactly what they are proposing, and what is the current sticking point?
As has been said above, NTFC has a major black mark against its name. The emphasis remains with the club to show (the Northampton public) that its actions and intentions remain above board.
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« Reply #20947 on: February 08, 2018, 12:22:02 pm »

He also states that a paper is being prepared by Council Officers for the Cabinet but does not know what date it will be considered.

He asked fans to contact their local Borough Councillor. As I live outside Northampton I am unable to contact a Councillor but I hope local fans make the effort and contact local Northampton Councillors to get a date and put pressure on them to get a decision................please!!!
Thomas has still to inform the clubs supporters as of his plans for our redevelopment resulting from whatever it is hes trying to extract from NBC.
After nearly 2.5 years do you think he could afford  the clubs supporters  of an inkling as to what he wants from the council and what the club can expect from its share?
If its the spring board our club is desperately seeking, we can all get on board.
All this anti council bollocks is madness as they only want whats best for us as a successful thriving local club is good for everyone.
This is what I know, probably all wrong but its all I have heard in bits and peices, please update me if ive missed the latest... possibly 10 boxes fitted out in the east stand shell with resturant etc costing possibly £4,000.000 only if the council grants leaseholds for parcels of adjacent lands..
My questions are £4m? Really? Does this represent value for money? Who is making the final decision on what is best for our club?  Is it people who wont even be at the club after the share out?
Unless we have a true vision of what we can really expect we should tread carefully.
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« Reply #20948 on: February 08, 2018, 12:43:45 pm »

Thomas has still to inform the clubs supporters as of his plans for our redevelopment resulting from whatever it is hes trying to extract from NBC.
After nearly 2.5 years do you think he could afford  the clubs supporters  of an inkling as to what he wants from the council and what the club can expect from its share?
If its the spring board our club is desperately seeking, we can all get on board.
All this anti council bollocks is madness as they only want whats best for us as a successful thriving local club is good for everyone.
This is what I know, probably all wrong but its all I have heard in bits and peices, please update me if ive missed the latest... possibly 10 boxes fitted out in the east stand shell with resturant etc costing possibly £4,000.000 only if the council grants leaseholds for parcels of adjacent lands..
My questions are £4m? Really? Does this represent value for money? Who is making the final decision on what is best for our club?  Is it people who wont even be at the club after the share out?
Unless we have a true vision of what we can really expect we should tread carefully.
KT will not publicise his vision until he knows what is within his jusisdiction.
It would be easy to talk Of grand plans only for the council to refuse the permissions required .
We would then all criticise the football club for failing to deliver .
Iím sure Kelvin is busting a gut to tell us all but simply cannot do so .
At the end of the day NTFC has no cards to play . Our previous owners have left us powerless and incredulous .
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« Reply #20949 on: February 08, 2018, 12:56:05 pm »

It really is quite simple.

The land which the East Stand sits on has 2 leases. All the club needs is for the council to agree to normalise those leases and return the land upon which the stand sits to NTFC.

There is nothing else to it.
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« Reply #20950 on: February 08, 2018, 13:05:45 pm »

It really is quite simple.

The land which the East Stand sits on has 2 leases. All the club needs is for the council to agree to normalise those leases and return the land upon which the stand sits to NTFC.

There is nothing else to it.

I thought NTFC already held one of those leases? And didn't Kelvin imply before Christmas that this side of things had been all but sorted? As for Boot & Shoe's comment about the club being unable to tell us what their plans are. Absolute bollocks! There is nothing to stop them setting out their vision for that stand, and I would imagine doing so would help to pressure the council - assuming it's a decent vision.
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« Reply #20951 on: February 08, 2018, 13:20:41 pm »

They've already done that?

16 boxes etc....
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« Reply #20952 on: February 08, 2018, 13:44:49 pm »

I thought NTFC already held one of those leases? And didn't Kelvin imply before Christmas that this side of things had been all but sorted? As for Boot & Shoe's comment about the club being unable to tell us what their plans are. Absolute bollocks! There is nothing to stop them setting out their vision for that stand, and I would imagine doing so would help to pressure the council - assuming it's a decent vision.
Itís not b*llocks at all.
You cannot publicise plans for a development before the permissions for that development have been granted .
Why put yourself under that level of pressure only to let people down yet again .
Some of the plans may also be jeopardised by premature announcements .
If I was KT I would act in exactly the same way .
We had a previous chairman that spouted off grand plans and delivered nothing . Maybe you would be happier with that ?
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« Reply #20953 on: February 08, 2018, 14:14:53 pm »

Itís not b*llocks at all.
You cannot publicise plans for a development before the permissions for that development have been granted .
Why put yourself under that level of pressure only to let people down yet again .
Some of the plans may also be jeopardised by premature announcements .
If I was KT I would act in exactly the same way .
We had a previous chairman that spouted off grand plans and delivered nothing . Maybe you would be happier with that ?

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?
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« Reply #20954 on: February 08, 2018, 14:17:26 pm »

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/11241140/crystal-palace-submit-selhurst-park-redevelopment-plans-to-croydon-council Palace did it today...
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« Reply #20955 on: February 08, 2018, 14:53:40 pm »

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

It's not true. He has no idea what he's talking about. Companies all over the world release provisional and artistic impressions of new builds, and have been doing so for years. The council have publicly stated that as far as they are concerned the build can proceed, so I assume they have more of an in depth idea of the end product than us mere punters. KT has previously stated that he hoped the build would be under way (by October 2017?) this season. He knows what is intended, and has said about additional boxes etc. So why not lay out the actual plans?
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« Reply #20956 on: February 08, 2018, 15:06:58 pm »

It's not true. He has no idea what he's talking about. Companies all over the world release provisional and artistic impressions of new builds, and have been doing so for years. The council have publicly stated that as far as they are concerned the build can proceed, so I assume they have more of an in depth idea of the end product than us mere punters. KT has previously stated that he hoped the build would be under way (by October 2017?) this season. He knows what is intended, and has said about additional boxes etc. So why not lay out the actual plans?
The lack of ability to grasp situations amongst some people is astonishing ...
Itís not a case of whether itís ďtrueĒ or not - itís a case of what the ownerís preference is .
Itís up to other clubs and organisations as to whether they want to publish plans prior to consent being given .
This club is in a different position because of the complications surrounding the lease and the history of misappropriation of funds , along with so many false dawns .
Itís obvious why the owner of the club doesnít want to release plans - it sends hares running and creates more turmoil for him to deal with .
NTFC is not public property - it is owned by private individuals who can do as they wish .
You have no right to anything whatsoever , outside of being a customer .
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« Reply #20957 on: February 08, 2018, 15:14:34 pm »

I don't always agree with the way Beds goes about putting his point of view across, but in this case I think he is right. What is stopping the club from putting forward an artists impression of what they want to do with capacities. They can put this out under the proviso the council sorts the leases out and then we know where we stand and we know what they want us to put the pressure on the council to deliver!
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« Reply #20958 on: February 08, 2018, 15:29:35 pm »

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

The Bristol Rovers who announced and displayed every detail of their new stadium to excite the fans... Only for the plans to fall through after years of legal issues?
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« Reply #20959 on: February 08, 2018, 15:30:57 pm »

The lack of ability to grasp situations amongst some people is astonishing ...
Itís not a case of whether itís ďtrueĒ or not - itís a case of what the ownerís preference is .
Itís up to other clubs and organisations as to whether they want to publish plans prior to consent being given .
This club is in a different position because of the complications surrounding the lease and the history of misappropriation of funds , along with so many false dawns .
Itís obvious why the owner of the club doesnít want to release plans - it sends hares running and creates more turmoil for him to deal with .
NTFC is not public property - it is owned by private individuals who can do as they wish .
You have no right to anything whatsoever , outside of being a customer .
Lets hope we never go down that route where fans feel alienated and lose any affiliations, just a mug punter paying at the gate.. Its not what supporting a local football club is about.
..Blackpool Coventry Charlton etc.. are tearing themselves apart with stances against owners.
Its unnecessary and harms those clubs long term.
The most important element in a football club is not the players or owners, its the clubs fans and they shouldn't be left out of the loop concerning things of great importance.
Maybe Thomas and co are being protective of us small town back water snowflakes 😂😂
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