BedsCobb
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What relevance does the location and size of Fleetwood have to the size of the away following? It's Fleetwood, not the moon. We could easily take more than the 1000 that the away end holds and so could many other teams in the division... Blackburn, Blackpool, even Wigan. Maybe not Rochdale or Bury.....
And they all probably do or have done to experience terracing. Its an awful long way from us though.
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guest3114
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More facts regarding the difficulties the club faces in attracting investors to meet some supporters development aspirations. According to some it’s a forgone conclusion and minor side issue securing investment, where as in the context of this debate, it is, and will remain everything. Direct quote from link - (if) the link between building new stadiums and attracting bigger crowds is so strong, then why doesn't the private sector bet its own money on that idea? Richard Denniss is chief Economist at The Australia Institute @RDNS_TAI. Well professor Dennis, according to some on here they are queuing up! Stand by for the bullsh1t. http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/the-crazy-priority-and-economics-of-gladys-berejiklians-new-stadiums-20171210-h02aqeAs a point of interest, in the next link the question would be, why doesn’t Roman just use Barclays? Its probably the case that the club doesn’t make enough profit relative to the required loan and Roman probably doesn’t have enough non cash assets in the UK to secure against the debt? Whilst 500 million is very different to the amount we would need, Romans wealth would comparatively dwarf the debt/wealth ratio between him and our owners. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4873622/chelsea-owner-roman-abramovich-talks-500million-chinese-investment-stadium/
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BedsCobb
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More facts regarding the difficulties the club faces in attracting investors to meet some supporters development aspirations. According to some it’s a forgone conclusion and minor side issue securing investment, where as in the context of this debate, it is, and will remain everything. Direct quote from link - (if) the link between building new stadiums and attracting bigger crowds is so strong, then why doesn't the private sector bet its own money on that idea? Richard Denniss is chief Economist at The Australia Institute @RDNS_TAI. Well professor Dennis, according to some on here they are queuing up! Stand by for the bullsh1t. http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/the-crazy-priority-and-economics-of-gladys-berejiklians-new-stadiums-20171210-h02aqeI cant be bothered reading that old crap as its irrelevant to the facts that we face and in a totally alien environment to ours If you want a close referencing point then look no further than our old historic rivals of Watford Fulham Doncaster Barnsley Burnley Blackburn Wigan Bournemouth Swansea cardiff and a dozen others who unlike us have moved on from the 'sit here' 'piss there' see you in two weeks mentality of a once proud club that now finds itself playing second fiddle to outsiders, assumingly using it for personal gain.. Should this not be the case with the present incumbents, then maybe they could be kind enough to show what they plan for our club over that of doing frig all as has been the case these past 2.5 years. Awaithing free council hand outs of lands need not apply.
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guest3114
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I cant be bothered reading that old crap as its irrelevant to the facts that we face and in a totally alien environment to ours If you want a close referencing point then look no further than our old historic rivals of Watford Fulham Doncaster Barnsley Burnley Blackburn Wigan Bournemouth Swansea cardiff and a dozen others who unlike us have moved on from the 'sit here' '**** there' see you in two weeks mentality of a once proud club that now finds itself playing second fiddle to outsiders, assumingly using it for personal gain.. Should this not be the case with the present incumbents, then maybe they could be kind enough to show what they plan for our club over that of doing frig all as has been the case these past 2.5 years. Awaithing free council hand outs of lands need not apply.
as if by magic, the bullsh1t appears. “Can’t be bothered reading that old crap” ?, unfortunately the impact on your aspirations is any investors will trawl through every fact and figure with a fine tooth comb. Outside specialist organisations will assess and perform due diligence processes for months. What it won’t say in the reports is “can’t be bothered with that crap”, unlike NBC possibly did. How did all the examples you quote finance any developments? Here is an extract from the development of the Cardiff City Stadium as part of The Leckwith development regarding some issues faced. “Unfortunately, due to unforeseen issues in construction across the two council owned sites, the football club incurred additional costs. This initially resulted in an agreement to lapse the development of the House of Sport until December 2010. In January 2009, with Cardiff City facing a winding-up order due to an outstanding £2.7M bill to HMRC, the club asked the council for permission to sell the residual 20acres to a developer.” What was it you said about waiting for free hand outs of land need not apply, hardly a beacon of success or a good example Beds? Or how about Blackburn and Wigan who had owners who pumped millions and millions of personal money into the clubs only to see them right back where they started when the cash flow stopped? Every single person on here and at the club could agree with everything you say 100%, but it means nothing if you cant get the money. Even my 6 year old can grasp this concept, is there any point in our future that you will? You write hours of text berating the owners or anyone that doesn’t fall into line with your vision, yet you can’t take a couple of minutes to research and come up with a convincing argument for attracting investment to give any credibility to the hours of opinion you express? To achieve your aims there are 4 basic options which are required. 1. The club has assets to secure against the debt. 2. An owner puts in the money or has assets to secure against the debt. 3. A government body provides the collateral for perceived public benefit, and if we’re lucky without any of the usual criteria being met. 4. Finance is secured from private investors or financial organisations. What is your suggestion for where the money comes from and how much are we talking over what period? If you are going to give any credibility to this debate and the hours you devote to it perhaps you should take some time to consider this, people might not agree but at least you might get some respect for your views. Or is it you can’t be bothered with that old crap and would rather stick to ludicrous opinion and speculation?
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singcobb
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as if by magic, the bullsh1t appears. “Can’t be bothered reading that old crap” ?, unfortunately the impact on your aspirations is any investors will trawl through every fact and figure with a fine tooth comb. Outside specialist organisations will assess and perform due diligence processes for months. What it won’t say in the reports is “can’t be bothered with that crap”, unlike NBC possibly did. How did all the examples you quote finance any developments? Here is an extract from the development of the Cardiff City Stadium as part of The Leckwith development regarding some issues faced. “Unfortunately, due to unforeseen issues in construction across the two council owned sites, the football club incurred additional costs. This initially resulted in an agreement to lapse the development of the House of Sport until December 2010. In January 2009, with Cardiff City facing a winding-up order due to an outstanding £2.7M bill to HMRC, the club asked the council for permission to sell the residual 20acres to a developer.” What was it you said about waiting for free hand outs of land need not apply, hardly a beacon of success or a good example Beds? Or how about Blackburn and Wigan who had owners who pumped millions and millions of personal money into the clubs only to see them right back where they started when the cash flow stopped?
Every single person on here and at the club could agree with everything you say 100%, but it means nothing if you cant get the money. Even my 6 year old can grasp this concept, is there any point in our future that you will? You write hours of text berating the owners or anyone that doesn’t fall into line with your vision, yet you can’t take a couple of minutes to research and come up with a convincing argument for attracting investment to give any credibility to the hours of opinion you express? To achieve your aims there are 4 basic options which are required. 1. The club has assets to secure against the debt. 2. An owner puts in the money or has assets to secure against the debt. 3. A government body provides the collateral for perceived public benefit, and if we’re lucky without any of the usual criteria being met. 4. Finance is secured from private investors or financial organisations. What is your suggestion for where the money comes from and how much are we talking over what period? If you are going to give any credibility to this debate and the hours you devote to it perhaps you should take some time to consider this, people might not agree but at least you might get some respect for your views. Or is it you can’t be bothered with that old crap and would rather stick to ludicrous opinion and speculation?
I see you have finally found the brick wall to bash your head against.
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guest3114
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I see you have finally found the brick wall to bash your head against.
Been doing that since the start, still no matter, am currently out on the lash and thoroughly refreshed, so love everyone, even Beds. The lot I am with have decided to watch the end of the Hawthorn/Collingwood game in the AFL so bored sh1tless hence the log on. The games at the MCG and being a fine stadium the crowds have flocked in. Oh no, what have I said? Any road, fingers crossed me alarm wakes me up for the big one?
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Manwork04
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as if by magic, the bullsh1t appears. “Can’t be bothered reading that old crap” ?, unfortunately the impact on your aspirations is any investors will trawl through every fact and figure with a fine tooth comb. Outside specialist organisations will assess and perform due diligence processes for months. What it won’t say in the reports is “can’t be bothered with that crap”, unlike NBC possibly did. How did all the examples you quote finance any developments? Here is an extract from the development of the Cardiff City Stadium as part of The Leckwith development regarding some issues faced. “Unfortunately, due to unforeseen issues in construction across the two council owned sites, the football club incurred additional costs. This initially resulted in an agreement to lapse the development of the House of Sport until December 2010. In January 2009, with Cardiff City facing a winding-up order due to an outstanding £2.7M bill to HMRC, the club asked the council for permission to sell the residual 20acres to a developer.” What was it you said about waiting for free hand outs of land need not apply, hardly a beacon of success or a good example Beds? Or how about Blackburn and Wigan who had owners who pumped millions and millions of personal money into the clubs only to see them right back where they started when the cash flow stopped?
Every single person on here and at the club could agree with everything you say 100%, but it means nothing if you cant get the money. Even my 6 year old can grasp this concept, is there any point in our future that you will? You write hours of text berating the owners or anyone that doesn’t fall into line with your vision, yet you can’t take a couple of minutes to research and come up with a convincing argument for attracting investment to give any credibility to the hours of opinion you express? To achieve your aims there are 4 basic options which are required. 1. The club has assets to secure against the debt. 2. An owner puts in the money or has assets to secure against the debt. 3. A government body provides the collateral for perceived public benefit, and if we’re lucky without any of the usual criteria being met. 4. Finance is secured from private investors or financial organisations. What is your suggestion for where the money comes from and how much are we talking over what period? If you are going to give any credibility to this debate and the hours you devote to it perhaps you should take some time to consider this, people might not agree but at least you might get some respect for your views. Or is it you can’t be bothered with that old crap and would rather stick to ludicrous opinion and speculation?
How about the £4m Thomas promised.
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Rule Britannia
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guest3114
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How about the £4m Thomas promised.
I don’t know, I’m hammered?
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Manwork04
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I don’t know, I’m hammered?
Fair play nothing like a good Sunday session on the southbank of the Yarra.
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Rule Britannia
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singcobb
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How about the £4m Thomas promised.
Has he announced that it is no longer available?
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guest1269
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Has he announced that it is no longer available?
Hopefully not until that excuse of a coach leaves
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guest3114
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Fair play nothing like a good Sunday session on the southbank of the Yarra.
Chapel Street but good call.
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BedsCobb
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I see you have finally found the brick wall to bash your head against.
Im on a train that has just left preston on my way back from that debacle at non leagueish fleetwood..ffs that was about the worst backs to the wall must not lose game that was lost ever! Get west ham supporting oxford chairmaning torquay... what ever he did there Thomas out of our club... football man my arse.
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The 12th Marquis of Sixfields
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Its an away game in the little North west costal town of fleetwood, smaller than Wellingborough so not realistic to expect plus 10,000 gates here😉
I meant NTFC will have sold out the terrace. As you say, if there's a terrace then fans will go to the game regardless of their own sides predicament
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The Hotelend Grand National Sweepstake Champion 2023
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rebelspawn
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I cant be bothered reading that old crap as its irrelevant to the facts that we face and in a totally alien environment to ours If you want a close referencing point then look no further than our old historic rivals of Watford Fulham Doncaster Barnsley Burnley Blackburn Wigan Bournemouth Swansea cardiff and a dozen others who unlike us have moved on from the 'sit here' '**** there' see you in two weeks mentality of a once proud club that now finds itself playing second fiddle to outsiders, assumingly using it for personal gain.. Should this not be the case with the present incumbents, then maybe they could be kind enough to show what they plan for our club over that of doing frig all as has been the case these past 2.5 years. Awaithing free council hand outs of lands need not apply.
I cant be bothered reading that old crap...
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rebelspawn
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Im on a train that has just left preston on my way back from that debacle at non leagueish fleetwood..ffs that was about the worst backs to the wall must not lose game that was lost ever! Get west ham supporting oxford chairmaning torquay... what ever he did there Thomas out of our club... football man my arse.
I cant be bothered reading that old crap...
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singcobb
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I cant be bothered reading that old crap...
Just go back and read any of his posts, it's all the same inane drivel
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meccanostand
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League 1 is our glass ceiling that is fairly obvious.
The club's infrastructure is lacking even in comparison with some non-league clubs. Don't own the ground, don't own a training ground. The facilities at Sixfields are lacking. Its community presence is also lacking in comparison with many clubs. The youth team is so-so and at present we are not seeing the players making it into the first team.
All this will have to be addressed at some point. Accrington Stanley and Burton Albion are a good example of clubs that galvanise a community and it comes down ultimately to good stewardship, vision and application from the top. Time will tell if Kelvin Thomas has the will and ability to emulate them.
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guest3181
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League 1 is our glass ceiling that is fairly obvious.
The club's infrastructure is lacking even in comparison with some non-league clubs. Don't own the ground, don't own a training ground. The facilities at Sixfields are lacking. Its community presence is also lacking in comparison with many clubs. The youth team is so-so and at present we are not seeing the players making it into the first team.
All this will have to be addressed at some point. Accrington Stanley and Burton Albion are a good example of clubs that galvanise a community and it comes down ultimately to good stewardship, vision and application from the top. Time will tell if Kelvin Thomas has the will and ability to emulate them.
Infrastructure is never the issue. It is down to ownership, business, and returns on investment for the monied folk. Always has been, and always will be. So long as 4K paying punters turn up, because they want a bit excitement today, that lives up to some of those odd great days in history (about 1 every 3-5 years - although under Carr & Atkins, they turned up far more frequently)..... then the accountants & speculators will rule the nest. If you want it to change, then, the only option is to hit the people with money where it really hurts..... ie, in the pocket. So..... turn up at Sixfields over the next few weeks and maintain the status quo...... which means whinge, whinge, moan, groan, gripe, maybe a survival so that you buy your season tickets for next season. Or, do a Paul Thompson....... ie, withdraw your support, and build a new club based on Brian Lomax's principles. Please see how the "FC United of Manchester" go about their business....... If you really love your club, then think very, very carefully what will be best for its future. Lots of love and kisses.
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