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« Reply #21900 on: June 06, 2018, 18:14:41 pm »

I know James Averill can speak for himself on this but I have noticed a tweet from him today it reads as follows.

"Papers are out for the Cabinet meeting of Northampton Borough Council on Wednesday June 13. Discussions over loan to the Cobblers intended to be held in private due to 'sensitive information'. Same goes for Delapre Abbey restoration project. Agenda item called 'surrender of lease on land at Sixfields stadium' remains open to public as things stand, although no further documentation on that issue is available yet."


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« Reply #21901 on: June 06, 2018, 19:08:12 pm »

I know James Averill can speak for himself on this but I have noticed a tweet from him today it reads as follows.

"Papers are out for the Cabinet meeting of Northampton Borough Council on Wednesday June 13. Discussions over loan to the Cobblers intended to be held in private due to 'sensitive information'. Same goes for Delapre Abbey restoration project. Agenda item called 'surrender of lease on land at Sixfields stadium' remains open to public as things stand, although no further documentation on that issue is available yet."


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https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/missing-10-25m-cobblers-loan-and-redevelopment-to-be-discussed-at-cabinet-in-private-1-8523986
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« Reply #21902 on: June 06, 2018, 19:46:52 pm »

Here it is.

Or isn’t

http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=528&MId=8512&Ver=4

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« Reply #21903 on: June 06, 2018, 19:59:46 pm »

What moment would be right? After you've just made £100m  Grin
The only way this deal should come off is KT and DB pay back the council the £10m, build the original Cardoza East Stand, same as the West and extend the South Stand with 12 rows of seating behind the existing 9 rows.
I sure there is still more than enough profit after that. To make it worth their while.
If there is SO much money to be made why did you not buy the club before KT put his money where his mouth is?

It is so easy preaching from behind a keyboard!
Action speak louder than words and KT got off his arse!
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« Reply #21904 on: June 06, 2018, 20:17:16 pm »

If there is SO much money to be made why did you not buy the club before KT put his money where his mouth is?

It is so easy preaching from behind a keyboard!
Action speak louder than words and KT got off his arse!

So, you believe it's okay to have agreed a deal with NBC, and then to go behind their backs to secure the land leases, even though the aforementioned agreement dealt with the fact these leases would be used by NBC to recover the lost (stolen) monies? That's okay, is it?
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« Reply #21905 on: June 06, 2018, 20:27:44 pm »

Wouldn’t the same option have been open to NBC to pursue or did the need for a gazillion focus groups, discussion meetings, planning forums, cabinet meetings prevent the likelihood from happening?

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« Reply #21906 on: June 06, 2018, 20:47:32 pm »

I used the term 'Chancer' on here last week, to describe our front man. I totally stand by that view I have.

85% of this boards users were happy with the stewardship of the football club about 6 weeks ago, I think that percentage will come down as the story and the sub plots unravel.

At the end of the day (Village idiot), they promised 4 million quid ring fenced to sort the stand out and over 2 and a half years later, nothings happened. So profit from land shouldn't come into it. They showed proof of funding, that was part of how they got the football club and why the local consortium and the Trust backed them and why they got a clear run on goal to secure the 'deal'.

Im now speculating when I say that the cost base has grown so much that without player sales, an unexpected cup run or some other currently unknown bonus landing NTFC's way, we are looking at a circa 1 million quid loss next season. Wages for starters are massively higher than they were when we won the league. So this lease thing being sorted in their favour is their last chance of getting their money back without a fire sale. Or they get shot of the club now relatively unscathed financially. Thats why I believe they have put the club up for sale. PUBLICLY.

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« Reply #21907 on: June 06, 2018, 20:55:07 pm »

Wouldn’t the same option have been open to NBC to pursue or did the need for a gazillion focus groups, discussion meetings, planning forums, cabinet meetings prevent the likelihood from happening?



Exactly, I remember listening to Mary Markham weeks after the takeover discussing the various options open and confirming that property developers had already come forward regarding developing the land, so why didn't they act quicker?
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« Reply #21908 on: June 06, 2018, 22:09:00 pm »

Wouldn’t the same option have been open to NBC to pursue or did the need for a gazillion focus groups, discussion meetings, planning forums, cabinet meetings prevent the likelihood from happening?



Yes it would have been safer if NBC had time to secure the leases. On the papers I viewed this week NBC did acknowledge there was a 'risk' posed by someone moving in and gazumping them on securing the CDNL leases held by the liquidators. But, and here's the thing, NTFC were only days away from HMRC's court petition, and the Thomas group wouldn't complete with the 10 million debt still overhanging the club. If the council had held out until everything was wrapped up nicely, NTFC faced going out of business.

This is why the council have remained tight lipped. Because, yet again, they allowed themselves to get mugged. But, and it is a big but, if NBC hadn't allowed the deal to go through the Cobblers may well have gone to the wall.
Northampton Borough Council gambléd because they were trying to preserve the status of NTFC. Unfortunately, they then got shafted by the very same people who shook hands with them and signed an MoU aimed at preserving the club and recovering lost monies.

Did NBC act with due diligence? Possibly not. But what they did do was to act in the best interests of Northampton Town Football Club. And then our saviors screwed them over.

And just to add, on the MoU the Thomas group stated it was their intention to complete the East Stand with funds available. That was in 2015. 'Nuff said!
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« Reply #21909 on: June 06, 2018, 23:42:19 pm »

Yes it would have been safer if NBC had time to secure the leases. On the papers I viewed this week NBC did acknowledge there was a 'risk' posed by someone moving in and gazumping them on securing the CDNL leases held by the liquidators. But, and here's the thing, NTFC were only days away from HMRC's court petition, and the Thomas group wouldn't complete with the 10 million debt still overhanging the club. If the council had held out until everything was wrapped up nicely, NTFC faced going out of business.

This is why the council have remained tight lipped. Because, yet again, they allowed themselves to get mugged. But, and it is a big but, if NBC hadn't allowed the deal to go through the Cobblers may well have gone to the wall.
Northampton Borough Council gambléd because they were trying to preserve the status of NTFC. Unfortunately, they then got shafted by the very same people who shook hands with them and signed an MoU aimed at preserving the club and recovering lost monies.

Did NBC act with due diligence? Possibly not. But what they did do was to act in the best interests of Northampton Town Football Club. And then our saviors screwed them over.

And just to add, on the MoU the Thomas group stated it was their intention to complete the East Stand with funds available. That was in 2015. 'Nuff said!

But wasn't the issue of the leasehold covered in the CVA for CDNL, which proposed that if KT & Bower paid the £170k to get the CVA through then no further action would be taken to realise the leasehold?
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« Reply #21910 on: June 07, 2018, 00:18:14 am »

So many opinions and guess work it's pointless. There is a few facts knocking around from Manwork but even then without context it's impossible to provide anything other than an opinion.
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« Reply #21911 on: June 07, 2018, 05:12:02 am »

Life is no always fair and I like to think I am streetwise and realistic. I believe most of the critisism aimed at KT, by a few posters, stems from NBC's incompetance rather than actions by KT! Of course KT wants to financially benefit and if he does so legally then so be it, welcome to the real world. This goes back to my original point that anybody could have bought the club to make 'SO MUCH MONEY' but the queue was non existant.

All I ask is NBC make a dcision so we can find out what future NTFC has rather than having speculation.
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« Reply #21912 on: June 07, 2018, 07:08:44 am »

Life is no always fair and I like to think I am streetwise and realistic. I believe most of the critisism aimed at KT, by a few posters, stems from NBC's incompetance rather than actions by KT! Of course KT wants to financially benefit and if he does so legally then so be it, welcome to the real world. This goes back to my original point that anybody could have bought the club to make 'SO MUCH MONEY' but the queue was non existant.

All I ask is NBC make a dcision so we can find out what future NTFC has rather than having speculation.

I can't agree with that, I'm afraid. I'm pretty hard nosed about business and broadly back Thomas in what he's been trying to do; he clearly wasn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart but if he could save the club and make himself and his partners a few quid along the way then all to the good, everybody wins.

However, the end doesn't always justify the means. Screwing someone over because they are incompetent and you can doesn't mean you should, particularly when the well meaning idiot has just gone out of their way to help you. It's like being invited in out of the rain by a befuddled OAP and then scamming them out of their life savings.
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« Reply #21913 on: June 07, 2018, 07:52:05 am »

I think our owners stand to make more than "a few quid" from the land they and not the club. hold.  The 2 leases should be merged and/or be placed in the ownership of NTFC and KT & DB will still stand to gain substantially from a sale of their 80%+ holding in the club through Ventures.  We are probably talking about significant sums of money that could be a watershed for our club.  If supporters want to continue to bump along the bottom then continue to make noises in favour of KT.  If he shafted the Council, which is the current theme of this thread, think who could be next.
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« Reply #21914 on: June 07, 2018, 08:29:58 am »

Posters on both sides of the fence are still making leaps (admittedly the leaps are getting smaller). I still agree with AS among others that we don't have enough information to make an informed judgement.

However... If I were the council, and the current theory put forward by JC is accurate, I would have been responding to KT's second statement quickly and in the strongest terms. The fear of sounding like you ballsed up a bit is nothing compared to the need to defend yourself against false accusations of foul play, surely!?
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« Reply #21915 on: June 07, 2018, 08:49:57 am »

Looks to me like Team KT have something the council wants, the council has the power over vetoing any development so at the moment the football club is the one that's getting shafted the most. There must be a deal to be worked out that benefits KT, Council and NTFC - why doesn't everyone try to go down that path rather than the current impasse where no-one is going to win?
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« Reply #21916 on: June 07, 2018, 09:10:11 am »

Looks to me like Team KT have something the council wants, the council has the power over vetoing any development so at the moment the football club is the one that's getting shafted the most. There must be a deal to be worked out that benefits KT, Council and NTFC - why doesn't everyone try to go down that path rather than the current impasse where no-one is going to win?
Yes KT and DB do have something the council wants, the land leases which would yield enough money for the council to pay off the Sixfields loan.
They have to hammer out a way forward so that everybody wins, unfortunately the club will come a very poor third.
The ideal scenario would be the council gets the £10m back, the club gets a new east stand the same as the west with boxes and an extended south stand with the rest going to KT an DB.
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« Reply #21917 on: June 07, 2018, 09:34:22 am »

Was the full planning permission granted to build the 255 houses plus additional bits? The conference centre and hotel were to be added to the West so nothing stopping that from happening although that would be directly attached to the club.
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« Reply #21918 on: June 07, 2018, 09:34:45 am »

Looks to me like Team KT have something the council wants, the council has the power over vetoing any development so at the moment the football club is the one that's getting shafted the most. There must be a deal to be worked out that benefits KT, Council and NTFC - why doesn't everyone try to go down that path rather than the current impasse where no-one is going to win?
I believe there was a meeting with the new Chief Executive of NBC on Tuesday................progress?
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« Reply #21919 on: June 07, 2018, 10:09:29 am »

But wasn't the issue of the leasehold covered in the CVA for CDNL, which proposed that if KT & Bower paid the £170k to get the CVA through then no further action would be taken to realise the leasehold?

 
Ah - interesting comment from a newbie. Might be interesting to see JC comment on Barnabas point?
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