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« Reply #21960 on: June 11, 2018, 11:04:38 am »

Forget Sixfields....what about successive councils who are taking the town down the pan with poor and bizarre decision making? Chaotic, inept, incompetent, the list goes on. I’m sure some stronger misdemeanours, which I’ll leave for the armchair sleuths.
Sky high town centre rates, not giving businesses a chance. No forward planning for the bus station site. Terrible design of traffic flow. I do feel feel sorry for the majority of council staff too who work under the umbrella of redundancy or poor pay rises. They will be no different to a lot of local councils around the country but several wrongs don’t make a right.


You're absolutely right, we've had one of the worst performing councils in the country for years now; and therein lies the answer. Forget political allegiances, because whoever holds sway they perform pitifully. Remember, you or I or anyone else on this board could stand as a councilor. We wouldn't need to know many of the rules because we would be guided by the officers. I believe this is one major cause of this town's woes, because these same well paid officers advise the actions of each and every council vote.   
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« Reply #21961 on: June 11, 2018, 12:45:40 pm »

Simple fact I guess is KT has said all along he will do best by the club and what is best for the club.

We'll see now won't we.
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« Reply #21962 on: June 11, 2018, 13:21:02 pm »

Simple fact I guess is KT has said all along he will do best by the club and what is best for the club.

We'll see now won't we.
Everything is open to interpretation in whats best for the club.
Those that understand how football works and genuinely want the progress will want a finished east stand and  overall ground improvements in which to attract more visitors, the capacity steadily raised to 12000, as would be expected of a professional football club representing a catchment of 300,000 within a 15 mile radius...
As you say, we will soon see.
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« Reply #21963 on: June 11, 2018, 13:49:25 pm »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/council-to-agree-handing-problematic-lease-over-to-northampton-town-days-after-the-chairman-threatened-to-walk-out-over-the-matter-1-8528326

The rights to develop a parcel of land next to Sixfields stadium are set to be handed to Northampton Town Football Club in a move that could finally clear the way for a stadium expansion

Northampton Borough Council’s cabinet is set to confirm arrangements for a lease on land adjacent to the East Stand to be "regularised" at Wednesday's cabinet meeting.

The move would effectively transfer control of the parcel of land to the club, providing a "clean site" to enable the development of the stand.

In 2004, Northampton Borough Council leased Sixfields Stadium and the adjacent running track to Northampton Town Football Club.

Then in 2013, the club was requested to surrender part of the running track land back to the council as part of a deal to secure the future of the club and facilitate the construction of the new stand.

As part of this transaction, the Cardoza-owned County Developments Northampton Ltd (CDNL) took a lease on the running track site.

It subsequently transpired that not all the land should have been transferred and CDNL asked the council to accept a surrender of its lease on part of the site to enable the construction of the stand to be completed.

The council has since been in discussions with the football club to progress the surrender, though tensions between the two parties have recently frayed.

Last month Cobblers chairman Kelvin Thomas even threatened to walk away from the club because of what he said was a "complete lack of action, co-operation or communication from Northampton Borough Council" around the transfer.

However, the cabinet paper on Wednesday could finally see the impasse preventing the stadium development cleared.

Councillor Tim Hadland, cabinet member for regeneration and enterprise, said: “We have been clear all along that our focus has been to enable any future stand development and we are happy to regularise the lease to make this happen.

“Our agreement to solve this issue has most recently been discussed with the club in productive dialogue, hence bringing this to cabinet next week to get it concluded.”


The Cabinet meeting will take place at the Guildhall from 6pm next Wednesday, June 13.

The papers going to the meeting have revealed that neither the 2004 lease or the lease granted to CDNL in 2013 enabled either party to carry out a commercial development of the relevant land due to restrictions in the terms of the leases.

The 2004 lease restricts the use to “a Community Stadium and ancillary Athletics Track and Facility for the Provision and Facilitation of Sport" and any change in this would require the consent of the council.

The effect of the surrender of the land will be to return that land to the status it held prior to 2013, paving the way for Kelvin Thomas and his ownership consortium to build on the land.
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« Reply #21964 on: June 11, 2018, 13:59:05 pm »

Here is a link to Maidstone's new stand. Almost twice the capacity of the north and safe standing. I do agree with Beds there needs to be joined up thinking over redevelopment as the fans will be here long after the owners have gone. http://modusltd.co.uk/project-completion-new-north-stand-maidstone-united-football-club/




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« Reply #21965 on: June 11, 2018, 16:13:28 pm »

Forget Sixfields....what about successive councils who are taking the town down the pan with poor and bizarre decision making? Chaotic, inept, incompetent, the list goes on. I’m sure some stronger misdemeanours, which I’ll leave for the armchair sleuths.
Sky high town centre rates, not giving businesses a chance. No forward planning for the bus station site. Terrible design of traffic flow. I do feel feel sorry for the majority of council staff too who work under the umbrella of redundancy or poor pay rises. They will be no different to a lot of local councils around the country but several wrongs don’t make a right.


That was a PPB on behalf of the Anarchist Party. Better still imo stick to NTFC!
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« Reply #21966 on: June 11, 2018, 16:14:19 pm »

Here is a link to Maidstone's new stand. Almost twice the capacity of the north and safe standing. I do agree with Beds there needs to be joined up thinking over redevelopment as the fans will be here long after the owners have gone. http://modusltd.co.uk/project-completion-new-north-stand-maidstone-united-football-club/






http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/stones-stand-to-open-122545/

£750,000 it cost and took 2 months to build.

To be fair to Beds, whose been heavily criticised on here by many for his costings….2 of those would 'only' cost 1.5million on this spec and that would increase the capacity to about 9500 straight away!

Add another 2.5million for a basic re-fit of the East with boxes etc, then i reckon thats all doable for 4million in total. Who knows. But maybe not as expensive as many people think!

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« Reply #21967 on: June 11, 2018, 16:27:32 pm »

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/stones-stand-to-open-122545/

£750,000 it cost and took 2 months to build.

To be fair to Beds, whose been heavily criticised on here by many for his costings….2 of those would 'only' cost 1.5million on this spec and that would increase the capacity to about 9500 straight away!

Add another 2.5million for a basic re-fit of the East with boxes etc, then i reckon thats all doable for 4million in total. Who knows. But maybe not as expensive as many people think!

‘Fort there was an issue with Buckingham’s on £2mill owed?
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« Reply #21968 on: June 11, 2018, 17:00:34 pm »

‘Fort there was an issue with Buckingham’s on £2mill owed?
scaremongering as usual  (we're bloody good at that) Buckos have buried those loses and bad debts with the tax man.
Free to proceed. 
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« Reply #21969 on: June 11, 2018, 17:17:26 pm »

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/stones-stand-to-open-122545/

£750,000 it cost and took 2 months to build.

To be fair to Beds, whose been heavily criticised on here by many for his costings….2 of those would 'only' cost 1.5million on this spec and that would increase the capacity to about 9500 straight away!

Add another 2.5million for a basic re-fit of the East with boxes etc, then i reckon thats all doable for 4million in total. Who knows. But maybe not as expensive as many people think!


based on that I would suspect a stand built up behind the existing south stand to accommodate 2500 standing would cost £1.5 to £2m in a basic steel and pre fabricated concrete sections with basic cladding and roof structure,  even if it did have a couple of  supporting columns at both ends instead of cantilevered, bogs and catering underneath.
3 seasons in league 1 would pay for this easily, all possitives  taken into consideration.
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« Reply #21970 on: June 11, 2018, 18:38:30 pm »

Ah good. We are back to made up figures.
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« Reply #21971 on: June 11, 2018, 19:11:19 pm »

And the small matter of getting ourselves back in League 1 and staying out of League 2 for more than two seasons.
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« Reply #21972 on: June 11, 2018, 20:05:29 pm »

That was a PPB on behalf of the Anarchist Party. Better still imo stick to NTFC!

The ‘Anarchist Party’ sums up the council pretty well.

Just finish the stand Kelvin and let’s move on.
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All he had to do was build a stand.
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« Reply #21973 on: June 11, 2018, 22:03:36 pm »

Ah good. We are back to made up figures.
Haha brilliant LOL  Grin Grin
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« Reply #21974 on: June 11, 2018, 22:10:17 pm »

Ah good. We are back to made up figures.
Er, also standing only so the seated capacity is likely to be considerably reduced? Yet another completely inappropriate and ill conceived plan that would hardly result in the goal of a professional appearing “must visit stadium”. More of a “must visit potting shed”. I’ve often wondered but am now convinced some of this lot work for NBC?
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« Reply #21975 on: June 11, 2018, 23:24:57 pm »

scaremongering as usual  (we're bloody good at that) Buckos have buried those loses and bad debts with the tax man.
Free to proceed. 

Source of info please.
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« Reply #21976 on: June 11, 2018, 23:53:05 pm »

Source of info please.

As with all major building projects, there was a retention to title clause in the construction deal. Buckinghams activated their claim after CDNL failed to pay them. I believe I'm right in saying that it was reported they waived there claim early last year, after the CVA was agreed concerning CDNL's debts and assets. I haven't dug around for the documents, but they must have agreed an acceptable sum for what they were owed; possibly with the caveat that they get the contract on future work at the stadium?
Either way, they agreed to scratch the millions we owed them.
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« Reply #21977 on: June 12, 2018, 00:28:29 am »

Er, also standing only so the seated capacity is likely to be considerably reduced? Yet another completely inappropriate and ill conceived plan that would hardly result in the goal of a professional appearing “must visit stadium”. More of a “must visit potting shed”. I’ve often wondered but am now convinced some of this lot work for NBC?
capacity is capacity regardless of being seated or standing?
Keeping 900 seats as seen now but with extra terracing built behind...
The only time someone got the costings spectacularly wrong was when it was first mooted that putting 1800 plastic chairs back in would cost half a million and then reduced to 250,000 infact it was nearer 54k.

Its blatantly obvious what I propose is our only hope of ever moving forward so you're  "no can do' scaremongering has been proved just that by tiny clubs like Maidstone doing exactly what you said couldnt happen😂😂 and believe me as a QS these past 30 years, my figures are pretty much spot on.
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« Reply #21978 on: June 12, 2018, 02:12:52 am »

capacity is capacity regardless of being seated or standing?
Keeping 900 seats as seen now but with extra terracing built behind...
The only time someone got the costings spectacularly wrong was when it was first mooted that putting 1800 plastic chairs back in would cost half a million and then reduced to 250,000 infact it was nearer 54k.

Its blatantly obvious what I propose is our only hope of ever moving forward so you're  "no can do' scaremongering has been proved just that by tiny clubs like Maidstone doing exactly what you said couldnt happen😂😂 and believe me as a QS these past 30 years, my figures are pretty much spot on.
I’ve said the wrong thing again, haven’t I?
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« Reply #21979 on: June 12, 2018, 02:15:34 am »

I’ve said the wrong thing again, haven’t I?
By the way, what does QS stand for, quoting sh1t?
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