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« Reply #22020 on: June 13, 2018, 22:51:51 pm »

£4 million is a red herring!!

In the original interview with the BBC after taking over the club, Thomas stated that there was £4 million "to finish the stand and provide working capital"

Bearing in mind the takeover was 2 and a half years ago now, how much of that £4m has been used to keep the club ticking over? There was the HMRC bill at the beginning to start with. What about the £1.1m "loaned" to the club in January? What about the work already done to get the stand in the position it is now (there were no seats in it when he took over were there?)

So he spends a million finishing off the stand and then say's he's done.......he'll have probably have carried out his original promise and nobody could complain!

I don't think KT ever said he'd spend £4m on the ground alone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34938496

I agree. IIRC he also mentioned a figure of "£1 Million or £2Million for the stand" when he was interviewed on RN after issuing the statement criticising the Council last month
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« Reply #22021 on: June 13, 2018, 23:28:26 pm »

You were thinking the Pirrelli Stadium, Burton when you typed that weren't you!  Grin
No just  those little stands at Sixfields? Missed your point here completely 😂
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« Reply #22022 on: June 13, 2018, 23:39:22 pm »

Now that the land issues have been resolved we should make a decent proposition for a group or individuals who want a lowly but solvent football club to buy into to help grow.
This will be the first time this has ever happened if this should be the case.
If the current  incumbents  dont really have the £4m to invest into the infrastructure  and only hope to keep us treading water, then theres really no point to them sticking around
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« Reply #22023 on: June 13, 2018, 23:47:32 pm »

Now that the land issues have been resolved we should make a decent proposition for a group or individuals who want a lowly but solvent football club to buy into to help grow.
This will be the first time this has ever happened if this should be the case.
If the current  incumbents  dont really have the £4m to invest into the infrastructure  and only hope to keep us treading water, then theres really no point to them sticking around


Do you not read GPC and Barnabas comments above!
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« Reply #22024 on: June 14, 2018, 06:52:31 am »

Do you not read GPC and Barnabas comments above!
Yes I did and unless Im mistaken the club have secured a small peice of land that doesn't extend much further than 8 lanes of running track, but it still adds to the value of the club from an investor, seller or prospective buyers point of view.
Should be an interesting summer.

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« Reply #22025 on: June 14, 2018, 08:04:03 am »

So if you invested £4m to revamp the East Stand would you not expect to see some sort of benefit to the investors. I wish you were the benefactor as am sure you would be incredibly generous, fairminded etc and want no safeguard on beneficial returns.



The ONLY reason I would 'INVEST' in a football club would be for zero return to myself and to try and take my football team up the leagues.

It would make little difference as to how much money I had. I just wouldn't 'invest' in football. I do not see it as an investable opportunity.

If theres an opportunity with regards to making money 'on the side' via development on land, Id like to see that money channelled towards the football club. Not KT, not Bower, Not DC, no one.

The only way that would happen is if a fan/s took on the ownership, or some idiot from China (!) that is on an ego trip. Most clubs in the top two divisions have such owners. Man UTD aside, and they are basically the only club pretty much guaranteed to make a profit over time.

The key for me is not what/if KT does with the land…and thats assuming the council let him which I don't think they will until they see evidence that its being spent to the clubs benefit…but who he/they sell the club to.
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« Reply #22026 on: June 14, 2018, 08:23:25 am »

but who he/they sell the club to.

Which, in my opinion, won’t matter either if KT finishes the existing East Stand to its current limitations. I’d prefer KT to complete all the legal stuff on what land the club can and can’t build or develop on and then sell the club as a package to somebody with more money (Unlikely I know) that can see the East Stand structure needs ripping down and a proper main stand building that is suitable to purpose rather than the internally restricted West Stand.

That’s in a perfectly ideal world though. So that’s not going to happen obviously.
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« Reply #22027 on: June 14, 2018, 09:18:23 am »

With the Council finally getting off its backside KT is now in a corner with no where to go on the East Stand so he had better come out into the open and share with us his exciting plans for the east side of ground, that is if in reality he has any plans.

The alternative version is that a big chunk of the so-called £4 million has been spent on sub-standard players, 3 hopeless managers and a desperate failed attempt to stay in L1 meaning the money has run out, Bower is saying no more £££ is available and they are open to offers.
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« Reply #22028 on: June 14, 2018, 09:20:23 am »

£4 million is a red herring!!

In the original interview with the BBC after taking over the club, Thomas stated that there was £4 million "to finish the stand and provide working capital"

Bearing in mind the takeover was 2 and a half years ago now, how much of that £4m has been used to keep the club ticking over? There was the HMRC bill at the beginning to start with. What about the £1.1m "loaned" to the club in January? What about the work already done to get the stand in the position it is now (there were no seats in it when he took over were there?)

So he spends a million finishing off the stand and then say's he's done.......he'll have probably have carried out his original promise and nobody could complain!

I don't think KT ever said he'd spend £4m on the ground alone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34938496

Everything depends on the deal agreed with the Council on the takeover. Thomas and Bower were not the only interested parties so it stands to reason that they should and will honour that agreement.

"If you would have told a lot of people the deal we ended up with there would have been 50 people in the room. We were just there with a clear and concise proposal that said we will take the club on, we will invest the money to take it forward.

Has the Chinese debacle and the share buy-back eaten into funds available for infrastructure improvement? It also depends on whether they have capital in the millions to invest in the stand or whether monies are dependent on enabling funds via development of wider land.

For someone as careful with his words as Kelvin, again it stands to reason that the following will pan out or not in the case of wider enabling development.

"David Bower has probably come to the end of his property development cycle and even then probably not on the large scale that was going to be required if we were going to entertain the large scale commercial development on the other side of the East Stand".




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« Reply #22029 on: June 14, 2018, 09:23:47 am »

If theres an opportunity with regards to making money 'on the side' via development on land, Id like to see that money channelled towards the football club. Not KT, not Bower, Not DC, no one.


There's the difference between us and them. 
We are fans who want everything for the club, they are businessmen who would like to make money from the current thing that occupies their day before moving onto their next 'project'.
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« Reply #22030 on: June 14, 2018, 09:25:12 am »

With the Council finally getting off its backside KT is now in a corner with no where to go on the East Stand so he had better come out into the open and share with us his exciting plans for the east side of ground, that is if in reality he has any plans.

The alternative version is that a big chunk of the so-called £4 million has been spent on sub-standard players, 3 hopeless managers and a desperate failed attempt to stay in L1 meaning the money has run out, Bower is saying no more £££ is available and they are open to offers.

Don't think you'll hear anything until the papers have been signed.
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« Reply #22031 on: June 14, 2018, 11:22:14 am »

James Averill from the Trust covered the meeting. From his Twitter

"Cllr Tim Hadland: "There have been statements that this sort of paperwork was stopping the redevelopment of the East Stand. Am I correct in saying there is now absolutely nothing to stop the development of the stand?"

Council leader Jonathan Nunn: "Yes you are correct."

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« Reply #22032 on: June 14, 2018, 11:32:52 am »

James Averill from the Trust covered the meeting. From his Twitter

"Cllr Tim Hadland: "There have been statements that this sort of paperwork was stopping the redevelopment of the East Stand. Am I correct in saying there is now absolutely nothing to stop the development of the stand?"

Council leader Jonathan Nunn: "Yes you are correct."


Im sure they'll find some more tyres that need a kicking🤣
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« Reply #22033 on: June 14, 2018, 11:52:57 am »

James Averill from the Trust covered the meeting. From his Twitter

"Cllr Tim Hadland: "There have been statements that this sort of paperwork was stopping the redevelopment of the East Stand. Am I correct in saying there is now absolutely nothing to stop the development of the stand?"

Council leader Jonathan Nunn: "Yes you are correct."


Should point out now that I'm no longer on the Trust board as I stepped down ahead of taking on my new job - which is covering all the council meetings.
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« Reply #22034 on: June 14, 2018, 12:22:45 pm »

James Averill from the Trust covered the meeting. From his Twitter

"Cllr Tim Hadland: "There have been statements that this sort of paperwork was stopping the redevelopment of the East Stand. Am I correct in saying there is now absolutely nothing to stop the development of the stand?"

Council leader Jonathan Nunn: "Yes you are correct."



Which is not strictly true because the legals need to be actually done before they can consider the issue closed.

All they have done is tell their legals to get on with it. Now we need them to come to the party and do their bit.
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« Reply #22035 on: June 14, 2018, 12:37:58 pm »

True, but as I keep saying not an excuse to prevent KT telling us his paying customers what lies in those plans he has kept hidden from us for over 2 years.
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« Reply #22036 on: June 14, 2018, 12:49:20 pm »

Has anyone contacted KT asking if/when he is going to release the plans and how long he expects the work to take?
If they are serious about finishing the stand (which I believe they are) then I would hope he has contractors etc ready to start when everything is finalised
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« Reply #22037 on: June 14, 2018, 13:10:11 pm »

Should point out now that I'm no longer on the Trust board as I stepped down ahead of taking on my new job - which is covering all the council meetings.

Hopefully you'll go undercover and find the missing millions.
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« Reply #22038 on: June 14, 2018, 13:26:35 pm »

There's the difference between us and them. 
We are fans who want everything for the club, they are businessmen who would like to make money from the current thing that occupies their day before moving onto their next 'project'.

Im acutely aware of this, 100% in agreement.

Its for this very reason why nothing has happened in 15 odd years which has directly resulted in taking the football club forward. I would love to know why Mr Stonhill and his co-directors pre-Cardoza didn't try and head down the route that has been the road to nowhere since they left. Or maybe they did but didn't make it public? I say that because they were the last owners we had that were in it for love and not for money!
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« Reply #22039 on: June 14, 2018, 13:30:10 pm »

True, but as I keep saying not an excuse to prevent KT telling us his paying customers what lies in those plans he has kept hidden from us for over 2 years.

His excuse for not releasing those plans already will be that the vast majority of his paying customers were totally happy that he didn't. And sadly still are. Thats why he's been given such an easy ride. Even now, a fan fair announcement as to what the plans are (if good) would definitely boost season ticket sales. Perhaps thats what he intends to do very imminently. I doubt it though!
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