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« Reply #22060 on: June 17, 2018, 18:33:00 pm »

Thats the only ground, that i have been too, where as an away fan, I have been in three different sides of the ground.
Yes, that's true. Done it at Gigg Lane Bury too, though being in the Main Stand in the mid-eighties, when our away contingent amounted to literally 10-20 fans wasn't the official away section.
In that capacity, all four sides at Mansfield!
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« Reply #22061 on: June 17, 2018, 18:36:21 pm »

Ouch!
It was not an 'ouch' or anything of the sort...just a banal nothing mis-placed jib at Beds, which fizzled out like a damp Catherine wheel!

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« Reply #22062 on: June 17, 2018, 18:44:26 pm »

4 teams in the National League have a bigger capacity than us.

Of those 4 I'd suggest the facilities there are crap....Wrexham...old and relatively poor. Gateshead....Not a football stadium....Leyton Orient.....about the only exception.....Halifax......
Not forgetting Chesterfield, Stockport...and York Street, Boston would certainly give us a run for our money if not York themselves!
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« Reply #22063 on: June 17, 2018, 19:26:34 pm »

Not forgetting Chesterfield, Stockport...and York Street, Boston would certainly give us a run for our money if not York themselves!

I will give you Chesterfield, - Stockport on capacity is ahead but a poor dated ground - but Boston? - too many Lincolnshire real ales I think - their ground is absolute s***e - in fact so poor there are plans for a new ground although surprise surprise development had run into problems!
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« Reply #22064 on: June 17, 2018, 19:31:40 pm »

Are you now just actively trying to be antagonistic to get a rise out of people?  Roll Eyes
People who cant face the truth? No Im not.
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« Reply #22065 on: June 17, 2018, 19:39:24 pm »

Not forgetting Chesterfield, Stockport...and York Street, Boston would certainly give us a run for our money if not York themselves!

Chesterfield is a fair shout. The rest aren't.
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« Reply #22066 on: June 17, 2018, 19:46:47 pm »

4 teams in the National League have a bigger capacity than us.

Of those 4 I'd suggest the facilities there are crap....Wrexham...old and relatively poor. Gateshead....Not a football stadium....Leyton Orient.....about the only exception.....Halifax......
A football club should always have a ground
 big enough to cater for its catchment and achieve its full potential.
Having just 6300 home seats and able to cater for just 1400 visiting make Sixfields not fit for purpose when you consider we have a 300,000 people living within 10 miles.
Those non league teams you mention and all others do not fail on this criteria.
We have to acknowledge these blatantly obvious problems and deal with them.
 Kelvin cant keep avoiding the elephant in the room by brushing it under the carpet because even his most fervent followers will one day notice it.
Time to seek investment into our infrastructure methinks.
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« Reply #22067 on: June 17, 2018, 20:02:27 pm »

A football club should always have a ground
 big enough to cater for its catchment and achieve its full potential.
Having just 6300 home seats and able to cater for just 1400 visiting make Sixfields not fit for purpose when you consider we have a 300,000 people living within 10 miles.
Those non league teams you mention and all others do not fail on this criteria.
We have to acknowledge these blatantly obvious problems and deal with them.
 Kelvin cant keep avoiding the elephant in the room by brushing it under the carpet because even his most fervent followers will one day notice it.
Time to seek investment into our infrastructure methinks.

.......we have been in existence for 121 years and arguably your point on development for sustainable growth has been valid for at least the last 50 years - does it not cross your mind to blame KT (owner for less than 3 years) is just a little bit unreasonable?
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« Reply #22068 on: June 17, 2018, 20:05:10 pm »

A football club should always have a ground
 big enough to cater for its catchment and achieve its full potential.
Having just 6300 home seats and able to cater for just 1400 visiting make Sixfields not fit for purpose when you consider we have a 300,000 people living within 10 miles.
Those non league teams you mention and all others do not fail on this criteria.
We have to acknowledge these blatantly obvious problems and deal with them.
 Kelvin cant keep avoiding the elephant in the room by brushing it under the carpet because even his most fervent followers will one day notice it.
Time to seek investment into our infrastructure methinks.

Why didn't you say that first instead of throwing out a random incorrect anecdote.
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« Reply #22069 on: June 17, 2018, 20:12:58 pm »

Chesterfield is a fair shout. The rest aren't.
If you are talking capacities, and you are...they are all fair shouts. Stockport is higher capacity than Sixfields, packing Boston's terrace behind the goal (Beds will love that) as said will bring York Street very close.
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« Reply #22070 on: June 17, 2018, 20:21:18 pm »

Kelvin cant keep avoiding the elephant in the room by brushing it under the carpet

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« Reply #22071 on: June 17, 2018, 21:45:01 pm »

If you are talking capacities, and you are...they are all fair shouts. Stockport is higher capacity than Sixfields, packing Boston's terrace behind the goal (Beds will love that) as said will bring York Street very close.

He was talking about capacity and facilities, right?

Boston is 6,600ish btw.
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« Reply #22072 on: June 17, 2018, 22:34:46 pm »

I always find these arguments on our ground compared with other Clubs a bit meaningless.  Having been to watch the Cobblers at various grounds over the past few years, by and large Sixfields compares favourably with quite a few. Have any of you been to Wimbledon,Portsmouth and Luton? None of the amenities at these grounds are hardly eye catching. Moving from your seat at Luton is a no no. Wimbledon you can miss half the game. Portsmouth;  you need wellington boots to visit the urinals. As for Stanley .... words fail me. A decent ground to visit was Daggers with very decent visitors bar/lounge and even decent toilets and look where they are. The only thing Beds is possibly correct on is capacity; we should have a ground capable of housing 10k souls. Unfortunately it is a horse and cart situation; I prefer to have a decent side first and let demand do the talking.
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« Reply #22073 on: June 18, 2018, 05:36:33 am »

I prefer to have a decent side first and let demand do the talking.
I disagree on two points; we have proved in the past that we can not sustain progress when we have a 'decent' side because the financial base and income generating facilities are not in place.

That is why I believe a longer term view is required and the catalyst is an increasd capacity, boxes in the East Stand, seating above the South Stand, safe standing above the North Stand, ALL the corners filled in, giving a minimum of 12,500 capacity. A hotel and conference centre is required to generate sustainable daily income.

To tap into potential future supporters it is not a switch but planned slow process offering entertaining football in a modern stadium! If fans see the target goal they would understand if progress is slow but continuous improvements over 5 years would be acceptable.
 
The time is right for KT to publish detailed plans for our club!
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« Reply #22074 on: June 18, 2018, 06:59:35 am »

I disagree on two points; we have proved in the past that we can not sustain progress when we have a 'decent' side because the financial base and income generating facilities are not in place.

That is why I believe a longer term view is required and the catalyst is an increasd capacity, boxes in the East Stand, seating above the South Stand, safe standing above the North Stand, ALL the corners filled in, giving a minimum of 12,500 capacity. A hotel and conference centre is required to generate sustainable daily income.

To tap into potential future supporters it is not a switch but planned slow process offering entertaining football in a modern stadium! If fans see the target goal they would understand if progress is slow but continuous improvements over 5 years would be acceptable.
 
The time is right for KT to publish detailed plans for our club!

You maybe partly right in the opening sequence of your argument; like Beds you quickly fall into the land of ‘wish list’. Which means that your argument ends up in the mire of horse and cart theories. First build a decent side capable of holding its own in L1. Demand will grow and with it the ability to sustain growth in amenities and infrastructure. Rome was not built in a day.
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« Reply #22075 on: June 18, 2018, 07:08:25 am »

When has your plan worked in the past?

Investment in income generation, I believe, is the long-term priority!

I know Rome was not built in a day, that is why I stated a FIVE year investment plan.
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« Reply #22076 on: June 18, 2018, 07:50:04 am »

It's a vicious circle really. Chesterfield moved way from Saltergate to a bigger stadium with all the facilities and have just been relegated to the conference. Doncaster have spent just as much time in League one, even dropping into League Two since their move. Tranmere have a Championship standard stadium and have spent a year or so in the conference. Stadium MK was built with Premier League football in mind. So it's a fine balancing act between building a stadium with the bells and whistles to be sustainable AND putting your main product on the pitch to fill it.

As for comparing Sixfields non league grounds;

I don't remember York Street and Bootham Crescent being  anything special meanwhile Stockport are poor tenants in a stadium they used to own. And all three are sat below the conference. As pissed off as I am with our relegation, I know I'd rather be watching League football at Sixfields. Be careful what you wish for.
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« Reply #22077 on: June 18, 2018, 08:02:10 am »

A football club should always have a ground
 big enough to cater for its catchment and achieve its full potential.
Having just 6300 home seats and able to cater for just 1400 visiting make Sixfields not fit for purpose when you consider we have a 300,000 people living within 10 miles.
Those non league teams you mention and all others do not fail on this criteria.
We have to acknowledge these blatantly obvious problems and deal with them.
 Kelvin cant keep avoiding the elephant in the room by brushing it under the carpet because even his most fervent followers will one day notice it.
Time to seek investment into our infrastructure methinks.

So your theory has worked wonders at MK.   Great stadium...mostly empty...poor atmosphere! I’d rather be a Sixfields thank you!
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« Reply #22078 on: June 18, 2018, 08:33:50 am »

A football club should always have a ground big enough to cater for its catchment and achieve its full potential.
Having just 6300 home seats and able to cater for just 1400 visiting make Sixfields not fit for purpose when you consider we have a 300,000 people living within 10 miles.
So is your belief that Sixfields is a non league ground based predominantly on the capacity and not on appearance?

The reason I asked for other examples of grounds with terracing above the seats is because I cant see how it would make Sixfields look anything other than non league or an embarrassment with that set up.
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« Reply #22079 on: June 18, 2018, 09:09:12 am »

If I had 10 million to 'chuck at the Cobblers' - Id buy it for a quid (!!), and spend it primarily on the team to get it into the Championship. Id probably proportion about 3 million to 'tidy up the ground' but that wouldn't be enough to make much difference (if any) to the capacity.

Id then look to 'seek mega rich investors'.

I *believe thats what KT 'tried to do'. Thus far its failed and Im guessing he's a fair bit down already. Plus he didn't have 10 million, he supposedly had 4 million.

If I had 30 million quid, Id sort the ground out concurrently with 'investing in the team'. That kind of money should be enough to get into the championship and 'compete' for 2 or 3 seasons.

If I had 100 million quid, Id try and do a Bournemouth, and get the team into the premier league and then 'sort the ground out properly'.

The reason why Im irritated by KT is that he *promised to sort out the East stand and has thus far failed to deliver on that. I understand the reasons why, what I cannot accept is why he won't tell us his plans. That makes me more than a bit suspicious, and coupled with the Chinese fall out, clinging onto JFH too long, building up a massive wage bill with no sense of direction…Ive lost faith in the bloke. Relegation is irrelevant, that can happen to any team/club. BUT the way we tried to avoid it lacked wasn't really a logical approach now was it?

Anyway, back to the ground! Assuming we are not going to find a rich oil magnate or similar in the short term. We need to be building up a model that will see us competing financially with the bigger clubs in league1. Realistically thats the best we can hope for unless we win the footballing lottery. 12500-15000 capacity will never see us bring in the income to stay in the Championship for more than 1, or 2…maybe 3 at a push…seasons. The question is..would we attract huge crowds if the facilities allowed and really kick on? I reckon we would. But your talking a minimum of 50million quid to see if that would happen!

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