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« Reply #22120 on: June 24, 2018, 17:49:33 pm »

Brighton didnt always sell out the 6600 withdean but sell 30,000 at the amex.. ok extreme example but would  our support base and those visiting fans chose a more professional football stadium to watch their football team?
If you think watching football in a crap stadium is preferential.. fire away, Im all ears😉

Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
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« Reply #22121 on: June 24, 2018, 18:01:38 pm »

You are so so wrong on visiting fans choosing to go to games due to a stadium.
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« Reply #22122 on: June 24, 2018, 18:32:54 pm »

You are so so wrong on visiting fans choosing to go to games due to a stadium.
Ask them, also there's no argument as to our limited capacity.
You guys are so loyal to your chairman.. its commendable   😚
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« Reply #22123 on: June 24, 2018, 18:40:56 pm »

Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
You can't or don't want to see a correlation, perhaps? Emoji imminent.... 🤗








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« Reply #22124 on: June 24, 2018, 19:03:33 pm »

Winning, attractive football attracts crowds, not stadium infrastructure Ö.. ask Portsmouth fans.
Bizarre!
1. Winning will not attract ''crowds'...we can't accommodate them!

2. Portsmouth? A worse analogy couldn't be imagined..they fill Fratton Park to watch the grass grow!
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« Reply #22125 on: June 24, 2018, 19:10:16 pm »

Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
If you can't see the point being made, I feel sorry for you!
Think before making cheap shots ffs!
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« Reply #22126 on: June 24, 2018, 19:58:05 pm »

Brighton is owned by A guy who makes £100million a year and has spent £250 million on the club.

Thats why attendances have improved.What has that got to do with NTFC?
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« Reply #22127 on: June 24, 2018, 21:42:02 pm »

Ask them, also there's no argument as to our limited capacity.
You guys are so loyal to your chairman.. its commendable   😚

Wrong again. Surprise surprise.

No loyalty to anyone bar the club itself. Nobody, well nobody sane, is saying they dont want a bigger ground. Nobody. 99% are just pretty well grounded and not on crack.
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« Reply #22128 on: June 24, 2018, 22:20:39 pm »

Brighton didnt always sell out the 6600 withdean but sell 30,000 at the amex..

Initially I thought good point but there is the little difference of the league they are playing in - now you would argue their premiership status was helped by a 30k ground - most would say it was the filthy rich owner - itís a bit of a chicken and egg scenario isnít it?
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« Reply #22129 on: June 24, 2018, 23:30:01 pm »

That average gate you refer to is one from the Sixfields in it current  substandard non league state that has serious  limitations that directly effects the the amount of visitors attracted to it and limited capacity forcing restrictions on admission that doesn't allow the promotion of the most attractive games to new supporters  to avoid regulars being lock out.
Despite what kelvin thinks, regularly having 8 or 9000 in a 12000 professional looking staduim is better than 6500 plus in a shoe box looking restricted one.

That average gate stat they refer to is based on fact, which is very different to most of what you come out with which is opinion.

People are giving you facts, and you respond with an opinion, treating it as fact - Sixfields is no where near a non league stadium, which reduces your entire comment down to.....that'd be nada.

End result is you look as ridiculous as we would sat in a 12,000 seat stadium with 1000's of empty seats that we've got just incase we get a big cup draw or the less than a handful of other occasions that away fans want to fill the ground.

We would not regularly get 8000 or 9000 people attending Sixfields just because there was better facilities, Look at what happened to Darlington (and others) who got more than they needed.
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« Reply #22130 on: June 25, 2018, 01:23:00 am »

Wrong again. Surprise surprise.

No loyalty to anyone bar the club itself. Nobody, well nobody sane, is saying they dont want a bigger ground. Nobody. 99% are just pretty well grounded and not on crack.

Well, it looks like that is exactly what Tom is saying! Wink
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« Reply #22131 on: June 25, 2018, 02:07:07 am »

Well, it looks like that is exactly what Tom is saying! Wink

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Sane!
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« Reply #22132 on: June 25, 2018, 02:18:07 am »

That average gate stat they refer to is based on fact, which is very different to most of what you come out with which is opinion.

People are giving you facts, and you respond with an opinion, treating it as fact - Sixfields is no where near a non league stadium, which reduces your entire comment down to.....that'd be nada.

End result is you look as ridiculous as we would sat in a 12,000 seat stadium with 1000's of empty seats that we've got just incase we get a big cup draw or the less than a handful of other occasions that away fans want to fill the ground.

We would not regularly get 8000 or 9000 people attending Sixfields just because there was better facilities, Look at what happened to Darlington (and others) who got more than they needed.
The thing is Tom all of this is completely irrelevant. We could argue about what type of ground we need and the justification for it for the next 100 years. The only thing thatís relevant is an ability to raise the finance to fulfil any ambition. Kelvin Thomas could share exactly the same vision as Beds, unlikely but possible? However, I believe he would find it impossible to do anything about it. I work in a world where I regularly have to deal with the scenario under discussion, and it is difficult for me to convey the enormity of what some on here are demanding from a financial perspective. It is a fact that unless the owner of the club has a personal fortune considerably greater than the investment required, that they are prepared to secure against the debt, then what is being demanded by some is impossible and it doesnít matter how hard they stamp their feet. This security also has to be reasonably attainable by the lender if required. That is an irrefutable fact and itís not up for debate. I can also tell you as fact that if the majority of KTs assets are in the USA, they would be excluded from consideration. This is not something I am making up, this comes from personally being involved in dealing with similar situations on a professional level. Trust me on this, the futility of what is being proposed by some on here is so unrealistic itís ridiculously comical. As I said many posts ago, there is nothing wrong with dreaming, and if people want to fantasise on here its none of my business. However, when they want to start slagging off the chairman and other supporters for not falling into line with their unattainable ridiculous nonsense, thatís akin to beating up a blind man for being unable to see, then they derserve all the ridicule they get. Please listen to me, it canít be done and thatís a fact, until we get an owner with eye watering wealth or someone like NBC just handover the cash on almost gift like terms. I suspect however that this crap will go on indefinitely, mainly because the main protagonists naivety and stubbornness exceeds their intelligence by a considerable margin.
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« Reply #22133 on: June 25, 2018, 07:23:28 am »

Initially I thought good point but there is the little difference of the league they are playing in - now you would argue their premiership status was helped by a 30k ground - most would say it was the filthy rich owner - itís a bit of a chicken and egg scenario isnít it?
They didnt play premiership football at the withdean thats for sure or Rotherham championship football at the don valley or Doncaster didn't  play championship football at Belleview and so on.
 We can never challenge out side the 4th tier until we have forward thinking people at the helm who understand how things work and have an idea as to what can be achieved and where we should be at, all things considered.
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« Reply #22134 on: June 25, 2018, 07:25:54 am »

The constant argument is that if we have an attractive stadium that we will attract more fans, with the biggest argument it seems being on away fans. It wont be easy to ask away fans but we can flip it on to us...

Who has attended an away league game primarily because of the stadium?
Who has not attended an away league game because the stadium is poor?
Where does the stadium quality rank in your decision making process about attending an away game?


For me...
No,
yes Bristol Rovers but I've been a few times now and hate the place,
location and opponent are the two main factors along with have I been there before
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« Reply #22135 on: June 25, 2018, 07:44:44 am »

That average gate stat they refer to is based on fact, which is very different to most of what you come out with which is opinion.

People are giving you facts, and you respond with an opinion, treating it as fact - Sixfields is no where near a non league stadium, which reduces your entire comment down to.....that'd be nada.

End result is you look as ridiculous as we would sat in a 12,000 seat stadium with 1000's of empty seats that we've got just incase we get a big cup draw or the less than a handful of other occasions that away fans want to fill the ground.

We would not regularly get 8000 or 9000 people attending Sixfields just because there was better facilities, Look at what happened to Darlington (and others) who got more than they needed.
Oh dear, hes mentioned little Darlington as a reason Northampton with 300,000 inhabitants living within 10 miles, should not progress its infrastructure to a measly 12000 in order to have spare capacity (thats a good thing as you cant sell what you dont have, unless your viagogo 😂) to grow your product. Theres no similarities between the 2.
I think weve established that Sixfields is in fact sub non league standard as most non league clubs can cater for their catchment and in a position to gain promotion, we cand do neither.
Most non league clubs now have large matchday supporters bars and corperate boxes and other non match day revenue streams, we dont have most of these things, and that is a brutal fact.
Woukd you honestly turn down the opportunity to allow our club to opperate in a more professional setting with a 12000 capacity staduim? No you wouldn't, so question your own ambitions for our club and dont worry about going against the Chairman zero growth policy to date, this is your club as well.
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« Reply #22136 on: June 25, 2018, 08:07:14 am »

Sixfields is hopelessly inadequate for us to progress, I think this has now been proved as fact three or four times.
Its a best a lower league two ground.
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« Reply #22137 on: June 25, 2018, 08:26:12 am »

Hereís an idea, if all those that share this vision were to put 10 grand on their mortgage and then get 2,000 other supporters to do the same they would raise 20 million, more than enough. All they need to do is get out there and sell the club hard. Theyíve the complete sales pitch lined up, people will be gagging to sign up? Iím guessing their mouths are writing cheques their resolve canít cash though?
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« Reply #22138 on: June 25, 2018, 09:02:13 am »

The constant argument is that if we have an attractive stadium that we will attract more fans, with the biggest argument it seems being on away fans. It wont be easy to ask away fans but we can flip it on to us...

Who has attended an away league game primarily because of the stadium?
Who has not attended an away league game because the stadium is poor?
Where does the stadium quality rank in your decision making process about attending an away game?


For me...
No,
yes Bristol Rovers but I've been a few times now and hate the place,
location and opponent are the two main factors along with have I been there before

My criteria for attending an away game are

Am I busy
Can I afford it
Have I been before

The standard of stadium isn't an issue, otherwise my first and last trip to Underhill would have been in 1993
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« Reply #22139 on: June 25, 2018, 09:32:50 am »

My criteria for attending an away game are

Am I busy
Can I afford it
Have I been before

The standard of stadium isn't an issue, otherwise my first and last trip to Underhill would have been in 1993

I am mostly same as you. I will avoid an uncovered stand if rain is forecast though...
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