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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #23660 on: January 03, 2019, 23:27:07 pm »

Being in the todayís business world running a business Ill try to improve your commercial awareness by advising the following. If your operating costs are equivalent or greater than your turnover or if you have poor cashflow you have no flexibility whatsoever. Turnover is absolutely irrelevant.
I have tried to explain to people in the past, about "turnover". And they just dont seem able to comprehend. The easy way to sum it up is thus, buy it, sell it for a lot less than you paid for it, and people will do a lot of business with you. Thus a lot of cash turnover.
You will not make a profit however..
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« Reply #23661 on: January 04, 2019, 00:36:27 am »

Being so adverse to taking any risks is not going to get any ones  buisness very far.
You being 'in today's buisness world, running buisneses' should really know this.
Yes you need A bit working capitol and some collateral, so a club our size run closely and openly with its population, playing on a modern atmospheric stadium  should be looking to have a £5m a year turn over.

But if like you say we continue to promote extreme caution like we have done these past 20 years of zero growth, it has infact lost the club £2m a year and unable to earn from the transfer market.

Iíd say starting and currently running businesses that are world leaders in their field in 2 continents with multi million pound and dollar turnovers and good to outstanding profitability in both sectors was not an good example of exercising unreasonable caution and not getting very far? However it depends what I/we are being measured against Beds? Thanks for the advice though.
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« Reply #23662 on: January 04, 2019, 01:26:21 am »

So how do u explain companies like Uber, Twitter, Snapchat, Tesla, Thomas Cook, Restaurant Group, etc etc all losing millions and hundreds of millions per year?

In football since when has making a profit been the goal for most clubs?  Until the very recent boom in TV revenue the higher the league the more money the clubs u lost.

Almost every single country in the world spends more money than it earns, the world runs on credit and borrowings.

Wonder what excuses the naysayers will come up with next as the " wait and see" " give him time" ones have run their course.
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« Reply #23663 on: January 04, 2019, 01:54:51 am »

So how do u explain companies like Uber, Twitter, Snapchat, Tesla, Thomas Cook, Restaurant Group, etc etc all losing millions and hundreds of millions per year?

In football since when has making a profit been the goal for most clubs?  Until the very recent boom in TV revenue the higher the league the more money the clubs u lost.

Almost every single country in the world spends more money than it earns, the world runs on credit and borrowings.

Wonder what excuses the naysayers will come up with next as the " wait and see" " give him time" ones have run their course.
With regards to the companies you list, change in trading conditions or circumstances, investment in new products or infrastructure, expansion into new markets, financial misjudgment or any combination of, the possibilities are endless? Whilst the goal of football clubs is mainly sporting success, attracting investment is almost without exception about making a profit. The ability to obtain credit is directly related to the confidence the creditor has in their ability to recover the return on their investment from the debtor. Whatís your point?
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« Reply #23664 on: January 04, 2019, 03:38:04 am »

Melbourne,  are you getting a headache with banging your head against a brick wall ?  Grin
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« Reply #23665 on: January 04, 2019, 05:40:04 am »

Melbourne,  are you getting a headache with banging your head against a brick wall ?  Grin
To be fair they are correct in that my credentials are completely irrelevant in this debate, alas I am an expert.
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« Reply #23666 on: January 04, 2019, 06:07:57 am »

With such comments you invite potential legal activity. Why dont you reign in a bit; its common knowledge how you feel so why continue to repeat it.

You came out with the very same crap with Cardoza. He's the one in court not the posters here.

If you can't post anything sensible regarding the clubs off field plight, stick to the football love, you should be reigning it in.
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« Reply #23667 on: January 04, 2019, 06:49:05 am »

I have tried to explain to people in the past, about "turnover". And they just dont seem able to comprehend. The easy way to sum it up is thus, buy it, sell it for a lot less than you paid for it, and people will do a lot of business with you. Thus a lot of cash turnover.
You will not make a profit however..
I can't recall anyone suggesting buying players we can't afford or selling ourselves too cheaply at the gate?
This page is about our urgent need to improve our tiny 1980s infrastructure in order to build up our clubs support base, league standing and subsequent turnover.
It's you and your fellow buisness expert Melborne advocating for a continuation of our clubs 20 year zero growth policy with a 'do nothing maybe a billionaire will turn up'   extreme caution that is infact killing our club.
We need to stop standing still and do something now, even if it is a supporters run club working closely with local buisneses, showing a steady year on year progress, it would still be a vast improvement on the past 20 years.

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« Reply #23668 on: January 04, 2019, 07:20:56 am »

I can't recall anyone suggesting buying players we can't afford or selling ourselves too cheaply at the gate?
This page is about our urgent need to improve our tiny 1980s infrastructure in order to build up our clubs support base, league standing and subsequent turnover.
It's you and your fellow buisness expert Melborne advocating for a continuation of our clubs 20 year zero growth policy with a 'do nothing maybe a billionaire will turn up'   extreme caution that is infact killing our club.
We need to stop standing still and do something now, even if it is a supporters run club working closely with local buisneses, showing a steady year on year progress, it would still be a vast improvement on the past 20 years.


Once again Beds with all due respect you have read both me and my stance incorrectly. I am no advocate for things to continue as they are. I think that any structure that allows an ownership that serves the interests of the board more than those of the supporters is misguided and flawed at best. Sixfields is far from ideal and I felt totally underwhelmed with it from the day it was built. From day one there was a crushing disappointment and sense of an opportunity missed. However, my point is that the proposals you have put up on here are unworkable and occasionaly nothing more than ridiculous jargon. The problem is that any sensible debate that could be had about possibilities for change gets hijacked with barmy rhetoric and any credibility that the debate might have, however small gets destroyed in the process. What you fail to realise is that you are actually assisting people like KT and Cardoza because many people may see the alternative as a bunch of lunatics in charge of the asylum. Even now despite laying my cards on the table and revealing that I own and operate multi million pound businesses that by the way were entirely self financed which you claim is the goal has done nothing to temper your opinion. Just perhaps I might have something valuable to offer, after all I belong to the group that you claim to want to influence and attract to the club. A lifelong supporter and owner of multi million pound businesses one with a registered office in Northampton no less. However, god forbid you acknowledge that someone may have a credible alternative based on experience and track record, you miss the opportunity and continue blindly on and on turning most intelligent people off the debate and forcing them to believe that the current arrangement is the only credible one. Ironically it turns out that you are probably the greatest asset KT and his cronies have on here. No offence.
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« Reply #23669 on: January 04, 2019, 08:47:34 am »

Fancy buying a football club Melbourne?
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« Reply #23670 on: January 04, 2019, 09:01:23 am »

Fancy buying a football club Melbourne?


I was about to say the same thing, if not that then would you want to be involved in any supporter run club. It's not like our owners now are living locally so the distance isn't a major issue!
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« Reply #23671 on: January 04, 2019, 09:16:56 am »


I was about to say the same thing, if not that then would you want to be involved in any supporter run club. It's not like our owners now are living locally so the distance isn't a major issue!
All, if I felt I had anywhere near the resources to make a difference and was able to perform a hands on role I would love to. I am in a position to do neither. Additionally I was put off any fantasies on this score a while ago by some of the commentary on here. I am still an advocate of the German model to be honest. Itís far from perfect and has its drawbacks but is far the best option IMO. That rules out significant private ownership anyway. In terms of corporate involvement I am in a 50% partnership, the other half of which firmly believes football club ownership is for the insane, and Iím inclined to agree. So in summary heart says yes, head says no, and I always listen exclusively to the top bit.
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« Reply #23672 on: January 04, 2019, 09:29:29 am »

All, if I felt I had anywhere near the resources to make a difference and was able to perform a hands on role I would love to. I am in a position to do neither. Additionally I was put off any fantasies on this score a while ago by some of the commentary on here. I am still an advocate of the German model to be honest. Itís far from perfect and has its drawbacks but is far the best option IMO. That rules out significant private ownership anyway. In terms of corporate involvement I am in a 50% partnership, the other half of which firmly believes football club ownership is for the insane, and Iím inclined to agree. So in summary heart says yes, head says no, and I always listen exclusively to the top bit.

I have to say I agree with you, my comments very much tongue in cheek, I also think the German model is the way forward. I talk regularly to an old work colleague of mine who is involved with the Trust at Wrexham and since they took over the club the fans seem to be enjoying their football a lot more than when privately owned. I also see the problems when you have a supporters trust member on the board as my cousin is the Supporters trust member on the board at Grimsby and I am afraid your damned if you do and damned if you don't on that one, which is why if we are to have fan involvement I would rather see a fan owned club.
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« Reply #23673 on: January 04, 2019, 10:09:13 am »

I have to say I agree with you, my comments very much tongue in cheek, I also think the German model is the way forward. I talk regularly to an old work colleague of mine who is involved with the Trust at Wrexham and since they took over the club the fans seem to be enjoying their football a lot more than when privately owned. I also see the problems when you have a supporters trust member on the board as my cousin is the Supporters trust member on the board at Grimsby and I am afraid your damned if you do and damned if you don't on that one, which is why if we are to have fan involvement I would rather see a fan owned club.
Capped at 0.05% share maximum holding per supporter with a total holding no less than 51% of the gross by the supporter base. Stop any of gaining control by the back door nonsense. How you would legislate for that would be a challenge but nevertheless that would be the dream. I fear it will remain nothing more especially with some of the vitriolic commentary on here. Still, if change were possible, that would get my vote.
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« Reply #23674 on: January 04, 2019, 10:16:29 am »


I was about to say the same thing, if not that then would you want to be involved in any supporter run club. It's not like our owners now are living locally so the distance isn't a major issue!
Distance an issue, it's walking distance from the Melbourne Arms to Sixfields  Smiley
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« Reply #23675 on: January 04, 2019, 10:17:27 am »

Being in the todayís business world running a business Ill try to improve your commercial awareness by advising the following. If your operating costs are equivalent or greater than your turnover or if you have poor cashflow you have no flexibility whatsoever. Turnover is absolutely irrelevant. I would also say that most problems in football come from financial mismanagement and nativity. You are also wrong in that many supporters think that the issues with the club are both on and off the pitch, not one or the other The issue many have with the off the pitch aspirations on here is that they are unrealistic and unachievable. This often detracts from sensible conversations regarding the direction of the club, not that we have much chance of doing anything about it. By the way the answer to my earlier post which you chose to ignore for fear of saying something silly is 150k maximum. And only then if you embark on some nonsense bank serving practice like factored invoicing. As ridiculous and unbelievable that sounds, thatís a fact by the way, not opinion.

Be careful. He'll be comparing whatapp to NTFC again.  Grin Grin Bare in mind out of that turnover, the wage bill probably accounts for about 2.5 million. I'd love to know some of their business credentials.

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« Reply #23676 on: January 04, 2019, 10:32:53 am »

You came out with the very same crap with Cardoza. He's the one in court not the posters here.

If you can't post anything sensible regarding the clubs off field plight, stick to the football love, you should be reigning it in.

One of us is missing the point.
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« Reply #23677 on: January 04, 2019, 11:03:42 am »

Once again Beds with all due respect you have read both me and my stance incorrectly. I am no advocate for things to continue as they are. I think that any structure that allows an ownership that serves the interests of the board more than those of the supporters is misguided and flawed at best. Sixfields is far from ideal and I felt totally underwhelmed with it from the day it was built. From day one there was a crushing disappointment and sense of an opportunity missed. However, my point is that the proposals you have put up on here are unworkable and occasionaly nothing more than ridiculous jargon. The problem is that any sensible debate that could be had about possibilities for change gets hijacked with barmy rhetoric and any credibility that the debate might have, however small gets destroyed in the process. What you fail to realise is that you are actually assisting people like KT and Cardoza because many people may see the alternative as a bunch of lunatics in charge of the asylum. Even now despite laying my cards on the table and revealing that I own and operate multi million pound businesses that by the way were entirely self financed which you claim is the goal has done nothing to temper your opinion. Just perhaps I might have something valuable to offer, after all I belong to the group that you claim to want to influence and attract to the club. A lifelong supporter and owner of multi million pound businesses one with a registered office in Northampton no less. However, god forbid you acknowledge that someone may have a credible alternative based on experience and track record, you miss the opportunity and continue blindly on and on turning most intelligent people off the debate and forcing them to believe that the current arrangement is the only credible one. Ironically it turns out that you are probably the greatest asset KT and his cronies have on here. No offence.
No offence taken, but I see for the first time you now have actually proposed your preferred way forward as  opposed to pour cold water on any ideas put forward without offering an alternative solution.
So you like the German 51% ownership method, great, but now show how it would work within our structure?
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« Reply #23678 on: January 04, 2019, 11:14:44 am »

No offence taken, but I see for the first time you now have actually proposed your preferred way forward as  opposed to pour cold water on any ideas put forward without offering an alternative solution.
So you like the German 51% ownership method, great, but now show how it would work within our structure?

for the purposes of this exchange no idea. I started a bit of a muse about this very subject but you didnít seem keen on any sort of financial input from anyone, believing it to be achievable from gate and food and beverage revenue alone. Given I personally found this model extraordinary to say the least any reasonable discussion from me got killed stone dead right there. I have no wish to criticise further Beds but you have spent what seems an age claiming to be able to attract business people to the club. Given this appears to be your first public attempt to involve someone from that demographic in the debate to date I have to say I find your approach somewhat questionable?
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« Reply #23679 on: January 04, 2019, 11:16:37 am »

Distance an issue, it's walking distance from the Melbourne Arms to Sixfields  Smiley
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