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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #23700 on: January 04, 2019, 15:29:43 pm »

It's a funny old world but exactly my thoughts - the accusation of us of being sheep, sucking up to KT whilst proffering a plan in idea only seem to miss the point.

I'm bored with saying it but without a solid business plan, real backers with real investment capability nothing will happen - ideally a collective (so more than one person) and ideally those that have a real love of the club (so acquisition & speculation is not the main objective) .

I'm glad you have politely bitten back re your own business acumen and whilst I cannot claim your achievement of it being my own business, myself heading a 200m pa business with 400 employees would suggest I'm not totally stupid in recognizing flawed plans.  
 
In the defence of my sparing partners on here I have found that the accumulation of wealth is rarely based on merit. I donít know about you but personally I am prone to errors of judgment as much as the next man, and have made some shockers in my time. So whilst I have ended up doing quite well relatively speaking, it could have quite easily have gone the other way many times. Therefore whilst I enjoy a debate about all this I think itís important to try not to suppress opinions, although I have struggled with that one at times admittedly. Everybody makes good points from time to time and are worth listening to, at least thatís what I think. As a result with hind sight I sort of wish I hadnít mentioned the credentials, although my adversaries didnít seem impressed in any shape or form anyway, and good for them.
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« Reply #23701 on: January 04, 2019, 15:36:00 pm »

In the defence of my sparing partners on here I have found that the accumulation of wealth is rarely based on merit. I donít know about you but personally I am prone to errors of judgment as much as the next man, and have made some shockers in my time. So whilst I have ended up doing quite well relatively speaking, it could have quite easily have gone the other way many times. Therefore whilst I enjoy a debate about all this I think itís important to try not to suppress opinions, although I have struggled with that one at times admittedly. Everybody makes good points from time to time and are worth listening to, at least thatís what I think. As a result with hind sight I sort of wish I hadnít mentioned the credentials, although my adversaries didnít seem impressed in any shape or form anyway, and good for them.

I wouldn't worry about what you have said about you credentials - you can't unsay them and I would agree that accumulation of wealth has many factors and certainly not always based on merit.

What I'm actually pleased about on this thread is a shift on sentiment where the different parties are seemingly agreeing on more points - not sure it is going to help the NTFC issues but it makes discussion more rewarding at least.......
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« Reply #23702 on: January 04, 2019, 15:48:37 pm »

Hi CW I am pretty sure a Ltd company must cease to trade once it cannot pay it debts hence why businesses go into administration so they can keep trading, at least in the short term. Obviously it is corporate law which like all laws is open to interpretation, I mean if you can borrow £10m to invest in your business, which you then keep for yourself and not pay back is still not a clear case of acting illegally then having cash flow problems / pay your bills and your legal operating status is certainly open to debate.

Hi Parrot, love it when all someone is obsessed with calling out other's fact claims whilst not actually mentioning which ones and why they don't deem them as facts, whilst again offering no actual input in thoughts or ideas. so why not actually contributed as you say you are qualified.

Again not sure where all this pie in the sky thinking is........  Other clubs with fan ownership did not start with a £2m + investment, i think most got control of the club for nothing and battle to improve the club by actually focussing on community.

KT got the club for £1 (plus any back handed he MAY have give DC for exclusivity at the time) he has gained valuable land which he / DC have separated away from NTFC, it is clear he doesn't want or value the football club and wants out. IMHO if he is given a free ride he will wait it out and run the club at cost neutral, just as DC did for the last 5 years of his reign.

 
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« Reply #23703 on: January 04, 2019, 16:44:32 pm »

Hi Parrot, love it when all someone is obsessed with calling out other's fact claims whilst not actually mentioning which ones and why they don't deem them as facts, whilst again offering no actual input in thoughts or ideas. so why not actually contributed as you say you are qualified.

I didn't mention you once in my post, so not sure why you felt the need to come after me? As for your question, I've answered it in my last post.
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« Reply #23704 on: January 04, 2019, 19:12:11 pm »


I will get shot down again but here goes, get ready to be upset again....... current season ticket holders and so most on here are not that important to the growth of the club   Who agrees? Who knows why I say that?  Melbourne, Hammy, Tcobb, GPC etc please let me know

Perhaps they are actually the least important to the growth of the club....because they are always there.....no matter which league we are playing in, what sort of football is served up, how comfortable their seat is, however much the pies are......

The 2000 or so ****, many of which have been there since Sixfields was opened will renew whatever. They are the captured element of a captive audience.
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« Reply #23705 on: January 04, 2019, 20:08:12 pm »

 Reading (trying to) that Trust statement is more akin to making sense of the Magna Carta!
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« Reply #23706 on: January 05, 2019, 10:04:36 am »

The general consensus on here now, is for an immediate change in direction and an urgent  need for our club to
Develop into a club worthy of a town the size of Northampton.
As previously stated by another poster, it's a long process and would call for patience amoungst fans in regards to progress both on and off field but to back all those who
 Genuinely  push for the redevelopment of our club and its infrastructure in what ever way we can.

Is it possible that Keith has been asked to clear out the big earners that were signed for, and failed  to fight off relegation, so to balance the books in order to allow a smooth takeover transition?
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« Reply #23707 on: January 05, 2019, 20:35:44 pm »

Reading (trying to) that Trust statement is more akin to making sense of the Magna Carta!

Clearly itís a response to considerable criticism. But what it actually clears up is nothing. I might produce my own wish list.

Nice to know they have appointed the counsel for the defence. Poor old Fez. Heís busier now than when he was on the committee.

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« Reply #23708 on: January 05, 2019, 20:59:49 pm »

Clearly itís a response to considerable criticism. But what it actually clears up is nothing. I might produce my own wish list.

Nice to know they have appointed the counsel for the defence. Poor old Fez. Heís busier now than when he was on the committee.
You know where we are and when, come along Wink
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« Reply #23709 on: January 05, 2019, 21:49:44 pm »

You know where we are and when, come along Wink
Try changing the record
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« Reply #23710 on: January 06, 2019, 00:20:59 am »

Try changing the record
I can't see whats wrong with inviting someone to put their point face to face  Huh?
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« Reply #23711 on: January 06, 2019, 10:50:22 am »

If anything is to come of this may I suggest making an effort to form a united front is probably the best strategy. Itís a massive ask to even get to first base, and it will be that much harder if people are hell bent on instigating their own agenda at all costs. In my opinion the Trust has to be the vechicle for gauging opinion and instigating a process if indeed thatís even possible? I would say try to keep an open mind and see what evolves? As difficult and even pointless as this may seem nothing is impossible if enough people want it badly enough, and right there is the important question in all this.
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« Reply #23712 on: January 06, 2019, 13:29:53 pm »

Even if the redevelopment is sorted by Thomas/Bower and the Council part/whole fan-ownership is still a relevant model. In fact it may be a good legacy for Thomas to depart with a decent redevelopment and the fans in the driving seat as Brian Lomax wished.
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« Reply #23713 on: January 06, 2019, 13:32:20 pm »

Awful legacy  Kiss
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« Reply #23714 on: January 06, 2019, 13:37:08 pm »

I can't see whats wrong with inviting someone to put their point face to face  Huh?


I have never avoided putting my point face to face, as you well know. I'm not coming along to make a point, but Iím sure some will come up. Iím coming along to hear your point.
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« Reply #23715 on: January 06, 2019, 17:52:54 pm »

I have never avoided putting my point face to face, as you well know. I'm not coming along to make a point, but Iím sure some will come up. Iím coming along to hear your point.

Look forward to seeing you Nigel. Some of the suggestions on this thread and have been very good, I certainly believe we should be looking to properly canvass the entire support base in order to get the general consensus of what it thinks. Our level of engagement needs to increase a lot if we are to be seen in a more positive light in a broader sense.
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« Reply #23716 on: January 06, 2019, 18:00:07 pm »

You know where we are and when, come along Wink

Out of curiosity. How does one know when and where?
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« Reply #23717 on: January 06, 2019, 18:32:11 pm »

Fan owned Newport beat PL Leicester 2-1 in the cup.
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« Reply #23718 on: January 06, 2019, 19:39:08 pm »

Fan owned Newport beat PL Leicester 2-1 in the cup.

£150,000 from the BBC in TV revenue, £135,000 from the FA in prize money plus the additional revenue from the bigger crowd. Plus a 4th round tie to come......nice little earner.
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« Reply #23719 on: January 06, 2019, 20:28:07 pm »

Same for Oldham and Barnet, neither of which are fan owned  Grin
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