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« Reply #23800 on: January 14, 2019, 22:22:09 pm »

That wasnít the question. The question was which clubs currently have one?
Not us, well yes us but in  reversal as our lack of ground is  a crippling millstone  so let's not worry others?
To build up Sixfields in 3 stages, East stand, south stand extention and finally the north stand, thus giving us a ground thats free from current match day restrictions in which we can comfortably house many more visiting fans who are attracted to a proper ground, so by looking to achieve a 1% increase in our catchment  giving gates of 8000 plus in a 12000 capacity ground that allows further growth and bigger attendances for the many more big attractive games we will get involved in, this way removes the stagnating obstacles we as a club never seem avoid.
Basically doing things in an easy to achieve well publiced stages will gather momentum and introduce the buzz for following the football club of Northampton, something thats been missing  for so long .
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« Reply #23801 on: January 14, 2019, 22:25:49 pm »

No one has ever put forward for a millstone of a ground as its not what we want or need.
Possibly the only thing I ever agreed with Thomas on was when he suggested we don't want to be like MK with a massive ground, but when he didn't mention the 12000 capacity one, which we desperately need, I realised immediately that he was using diversionary tactics and wasting all our time.
That was 3 years ago.

The royal "we"again - why dont you be honest and say "me".
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« Reply #23802 on: January 14, 2019, 22:27:15 pm »

Presumably you are taking the Mick, you can only  consider the grounds the Club is currently playing in - not future potential grounds.
Of all the Grounds Stanley was the poorest I have been to. If they have done ground improvements it is hardly upto Sixfields standard.
Add Mansfield and Burton to the list. The trouble with your argument is that you ensure that it suits your agenda. We all know Sixfields needs updating and no doubt you will be part of the new consortium with money to spare.

My sides are going to split with laughter, soon......

You do bear all the hallmarks of a "Kipper".  Caught on a hook, no longer able to return to its natural habitat, stained by over-exposure to carbon-emissions, and un-palatable to many.

For the third time of asking, please can you.....?

After all, in those 18 words was a statement of fact, a qualifier, and 6 words of padding.

Quite simple, really.

I'm not sure where this mountain you have made of this mole-hill has appeared from......



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« Reply #23803 on: January 14, 2019, 22:27:40 pm »

Oh, Evers.  Still flapping around on the bank, I see.  <chortle>

For the second time of asking, would you care to re-read the post that you took your bite on, consider the information provided in it (it is only 18 words long, after all - 6 of which are padding), then think very carefully what it is saying.....  imagine in your minds eye where it takes you as you read it.....

Then, once you've proven that you can read and comprehend, I may deign to reply to post.

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« Reply #23804 on: January 14, 2019, 22:29:41 pm »

Not us, well yes us but in  reversal as our lack of ground is  a crippling millstone  so let's not worry others?
To build up Sixfields in 3 stages, East stand, south stand extention and finally the north stand, thus giving us a ground thats free from current match day restrictions in which we can comfortably house many more visiting fans who are attracted to a proper ground, so by looking to achieve a 1% increase in our catchment  giving gates of 8000 plus in a 12000 capacity ground that allows further growth and bigger attendances for the many more big attractive games we will get involved in, this way removes the stagnating obstacles we as a club never seem avoid.
Basically doing things in an easy to achieve well publiced stages will gather momentum and introduce the buzz for following the football club of Northampton, something thats been missing  for so long .
This is why you struggle to garner support for your views Beds. You are entirely too evasive when asked a direct question. Since Worcester has been the latest example of a viable business plan on here, can I quote Jim OToole the CEO at the time directly. ďThere is no point building it (the development at that time) because it is expensive until there is that pent up demand." Since Jim has undeniable direct experience of delivering the very result you want, how do you respond to his comments? Or perhaps Jimís opinion is flawed and to be ignored?
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« Reply #23805 on: January 14, 2019, 22:31:01 pm »

No one has ever put forward for a millstone of a ground as its not what we want or need.
Possibly the only thing I ever agreed with Thomas on was when he suggested we don't want to be like MK with a massive ground, but when he didn't mention the 12000 capacity one, which we desperately need, I realised immediately that he was using diversionary tactics and wasting all our time.
That was 3 years ago.
Meanwhile, Brentford's swanky new 17,000 capacity stadium to be unveiled for next season...right next to a large Chiswick based Fuller's pub...and another owned by Bass!
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« Reply #23806 on: January 14, 2019, 22:34:59 pm »

Presumably you are taking the Mick, you can only  consider the grounds the Club is currently playing in - not future potential grounds.
Of all the Grounds Stanley was the poorest I have been to. If they have done ground improvements it is hardly upto Sixfields standard.
Add Mansfield and Burton to the list. The trouble with your argument is that you ensure that it suits your agenda. We all know Sixfields needs updating and no doubt you will be part of the new consortium with money to spare.
I'm with you on this Evers...the Wham stadium experience couldn't outstrip an Andrew Ridgely open mic night!  Grin
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« Reply #23807 on: January 14, 2019, 22:47:32 pm »

Nutter

Thank you for for your valuable insight; your caring response; your conciseness.

Do you think you can do the same henceforth?

Or, will that red-mist creep over your keyboard fingers as soon your eyes behold the slightest hint of non-conformism?

(By the way, I assume your current grumpiness is due to weeping bed-sores.  I understand why they are crying....   Cry  )
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« Reply #23808 on: January 14, 2019, 22:52:22 pm »

The demand is sort of already there, we took 7000 to MK cup game, 21000 to wembley, 44000 to wembley  etc. Not sure when he said that re Worcester but I expect they never had that level of proven support at any time

There is no one single answer that will keep everyone happy and solve all our problems.

What is clear is that the Northampton public is fed up with outside land investors or worse, who break their promises and have no plan for NTFC.

It is all about value, and everyones value is different but I am pretty sure that IF we were all things Beds wants, I have no doubt we would have 8-9000 at least.

Those who stay away want in bad times want to be associated with success, determination, effort and more success, what division they are in has little relevance. Leeds, Portsmouth and Sunderland all have hit massive attendances when they are around the top of the table, it doesn't matter that they were in League 1 at the time. However for this to be sustained the match day experience needs to be good to hold them when that success drops a bit and good atmosphere with facilities also then helps attract the better players, which might bring more success etc etc etc  
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« Reply #23809 on: January 14, 2019, 22:55:41 pm »

Thank you for for your valuable insight; your caring response; your conciseness.

Do you think you can do the same henceforth?

Or, will that red-mist creep over your keyboard fingers as soon your eyes behold the slightest hint of non-conformism?

(By the way, I assume your current grumpiness is due to weeping bed-sores.  I understand why they are crying....   Cry  )

That's it - you are a nutter.
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« Reply #23810 on: January 14, 2019, 23:17:55 pm »

The demand is sort of already there, we took 7000 to MK cup game, 21000 to wembley, 44000 to wembley  etc. Not sure when he said that re Worcester but I expect they never had that level of proven support at any time

There is no one single answer that will keep everyone happy and solve all our problems.

What is clear is that the Northampton public is fed up with outside land investors or worse, who break their promises and have no plan for NTFC.

It is all about value, and everyones value is different but I am pretty sure that IF we were all things Beds wants, I have no doubt we would have 8-9000 at least.

Those who stay away want in bad times want to be associated with success, determination, effort and more success, what division they are in has little relevance. Leeds, Portsmouth and Sunderland all have hit massive attendances when they are around the top of the table, it doesn't matter that they were in League 1 at the time. However for this to be sustained the match day experience needs to be good to hold them when that success drops a bit and good atmosphere with facilities also then helps attract the better players, which might bring more success etc etc etc  
Some valid points Random. However, if we have proven demand then we would sell out regularly. The concern I have with my argument is that if success on the pitch alone is the catalyst then we would have sold out regularly during our promotion season and if I recall we didnít. Growing up in Northampton no one seemed to give a sh1t about Rugby as a spectator sport. It is undeniable that the rise in popularity of Rugby was capitalised on by the Saints spectacularly. Part of this capitalisation was the enhancement of the match day experience, so proper consideration and investment a various levels has to be given to both factors. I will continue to emphasise this point, to reiterate the biggest single challenge in all this is to raise and have a provable delivery of capital to the correct channels. It is absolutely everything. Self funded from profit is not impossible, but convincing the relevant and necessary associates, partners and suppliers this can adequately support lines of credit is a very considerable difficultly that I believe makes this option unworkable. Iím not making this stuff up to annoy or frustrate people, these are just the challenges as I see them and all the wishful thinking in the world wonít make them go away.
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« Reply #23811 on: January 14, 2019, 23:19:39 pm »

Not us, well yes us but in  reversal as our lack of ground is  a crippling millstone  so let's not worry others?
To build up Sixfields in 3 stages, East stand, south stand extention and finally the north stand, thus giving us a ground thats free from current match day restrictions in which we can comfortably house many more visiting fans who are attracted to a proper ground, so by looking to achieve a 1% increase in our catchment  giving gates of 8000 plus in a 12000 capacity ground that allows further growth and bigger attendances for the many more big attractive games we will get involved in, this way removes the stagnating obstacles we as a club never seem avoid.
Basically doing things in an easy to achieve well publiced stages will gather momentum and introduce the buzz for following the football club of Northampton, something thats been missing  for so long .

If this were a business proposal for an established company, a growth rate of 1% PA would be considered to be cautious, so I can fully see what Beds is saying here.

Some wise infrastructure investment could well see the required uplift in the attendance.

Stagnation is effectively contraction?
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« Reply #23812 on: January 14, 2019, 23:29:54 pm »

The royal "we"again - why dont you be honest and say "me".
I wasn't actually including you in the 'we' so don' t get into a lather over it Kiss
Really not that interested in your love for non league grounds while we still retain our league position.
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« Reply #23813 on: January 14, 2019, 23:35:00 pm »

If this were a business proposal for an established company, a growth rate of 1% PA would be considered to be cautious, so I can fully see what Beds is saying here.

Some wise infrastructure investment could well see the required uplift in the attendance.

Stagnation is effectively contraction?
Itís not an established company, it is a professional sports club that presents some unique restrictions with regards to growth when compared to businesses generally. For example we grew our business by 50% in 5 years. This was achieved by opening up a new market in another country. Is this option (and there are many others to list) open to NTFC? Generalised statements are all well and good but in my opinion I am seeing very few specific proposals on here that carry any real credibility. That doesnít mean they are not there though.
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« Reply #23814 on: January 15, 2019, 00:01:47 am »

Some valid points Random. However, if we have proven demand then we would sell out regularly. The concern I have with my argument is that if success on the pitch alone is the catalyst then we would have sold out regularly during our promotion season and if I recall we didnít. Growing up in Northampton no one seemed to give a sh1t about Rugby as a spectator sport. It is undeniable that the rise in popularity of Rugby was capitalised on by the Saints spectacularly. Part of this capitalisation was the enhancement of the match day experience, so proper consideration and investment a various levels has to be given to both factors. I will continue to emphasise this point, to reiterate the biggest single challenge in all this is to raise and have a provable delivery of capital to the correct channels. It is absolutely everything. Self funded from profit is not impossible, but convincing the relevant and necessary associates, partners and suppliers this can adequately support lines of credit is a very considerable difficultly that I believe makes this option unworkable. Iím not making this stuff up to annoy or frustrate people, these are just the challenges as I see them and all the wishful thinking in the world wonít make them go away.
You need to understand that in its present guise there are several reasons the ground very rearly sells out even thought the demand is there, some of the reasons range from it having severe ticket restrictions for bigger games, fans unable to go and sit with friends , uninspiring tiny little stands, lack of future plans to sell to the clubs fan base and generally a total lack of interest amongst our most important fans, which are those who have yet to be converted of which theres 10s of thousands.
So using the current state of our archaic little ground as a yard stick should be nul and void.
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« Reply #23815 on: January 15, 2019, 00:12:39 am »

Itís not an established company, it is a professional sports club that presents some unique restrictions with regards to growth when compared to businesses generally. For example we grew our business by 50% in 5 years. This was achieved by opening up a new market in another country. Is this option (and there are many others to list) open to NTFC? Generalised statements are all well and good but in my opinion I am seeing very few specific proposals on here that carry any real credibility. That doesnít mean they are not there though.
I can only assume you believe the town and county of Northampton doesn't like football?
Well being ts our national sport, a successful Cobblers playing in a stadium that gives some civic pride that features all the facilities known to attract football fans, playing competitively in league 1 against all our local rivals and big attractive clubs that drop into L1 on regular basis, would so very easily  give us 50% growth in a lot shorter time.
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« Reply #23816 on: January 15, 2019, 00:16:15 am »

Itís not an established company, it is a professional sports club that presents some unique restrictions with regards to growth when compared to businesses generally. For example we grew our business by 50% in 5 years. This was achieved by opening up a new market in another country. Is this option (and there are many others to list) open to NTFC? Generalised statements are all well and good but in my opinion I am seeing very few specific proposals on here that carry any real credibility. That doesnít mean they are not there though.

Government predictions are that the population of Northampton will increase by 80,000 within the next ten years, which offers some genuine scope for increasing the club's support base. No one is suggesting the club needs to increase capacity to silly levels, but something in the region of 10,000+ isn't unreasonable. Let's face it, if either Cardoza or Thomas was a man of their word, we should already be there.
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« Reply #23817 on: January 15, 2019, 00:23:48 am »

I can only assume you believe the town and county of Northampton doesn't like football?
Well being ts our national sport, a successful Cobblers playing in a stadium that gives some civic pride that features all the facilities known to attract football fans, playing competitively in league 1 against all our local rivals and big attractive clubs that drop into L1 on regular basis, would so very easily  give us 50% growth in a lot shorter time.
Your assumptions are nothing more than assumptions and as ever staggeringly misguided. Your refusal to embark on any balanced assessment whilst endearing mearly highlights the shortcomings in your credibility. However Iíll keep questioning your nonsense as long as you keep spouting it. You can evade as much as you like, they will keep coming right back at you. A claim of easily achievable, and I quote ďeasilyĒ 50% growth displays a level of incompetence rarely experienced in my professional life. However, whilst you keep attempting to influence the path of the club I love I will continue to expose your ridiculous jargon. Call it a labour of love.
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« Reply #23818 on: January 15, 2019, 00:28:18 am »

Government predictions are that the population of Northampton will increase by 80,000 within the next ten years, which offers some genuine scope for increasing the club's support base. No one is suggesting the club needs to increase capacity to silly levels, but something in the region of 10,000+ isn't unreasonable. Let's face it, if either Cardoza or Thomas was a man of their word, we should already be there.
That may well be true Jolly but the point of contention was the comparison between NTFC and a general ďestablishedĒ company. There are undeniable differences that need to be considered when making comparisons. Thatís all Iím saying.
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« Reply #23819 on: January 15, 2019, 01:09:33 am »

Another gem from Lutons finest ďSo using the current state of our archaic little ground as a yard stick should be nul and voidď. So according to you any opinion surrounding our ability to fill our current ground is null and void. In other words a concern for some of the support base is off the table for evaluation? The quoted opinion of Jim OíToole is obviously irrelevant because you havenít commented either? To repeat get some considered balance to your views and opinions tempered with some common sense otherwise they will continue to be subjected to ridicule and irrelevance.
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