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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #23840 on: January 15, 2019, 11:27:56 am »

Do you know when there will be feedback from the questins to the Council and club?

Working on that at the minute. Will update asap.
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« Reply #23841 on: January 15, 2019, 11:33:03 am »

A few hundred anonymous posters. How many use facebook, Twitter etc? There's a vast, quiet, match going majority who have to and will be consulted by any group worth their salt.
Where do you draw the line between someone you feel needs to be heard and someone who doesn't?
For example everyone who's ever attended a game at Sixfields, everyone on the club database, the public of northampton/shire as a whole, season ticket holders only, someone who attends a pre ordained number of games each season, people who can trace their support back longer than ? seasons, trust members only, trust board members only, only those prepared to invest?...
Ive no idea what the answer is, but I'm aware that as in all aspects of life, those who shout loudest or protest the most aren't always the ones closest to the matter.
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« Reply #23842 on: January 15, 2019, 12:01:51 pm »

I wasn't actually including you in the 'we' so don' t get into a lather over it Kiss
Really not that interested in your love for non league grounds while we still retain our league position.

Taking the post in question you appear to assume that you speak for most on here; you don't have that mandate. You have some supporters but some of those have outlandish views so easy to ignore. It's a pity you resort to spiteful jibes on non league grounds. I don't think you have sufficient skills to push your agenda through. You struggle with your main opponent  - Melly. Whether this is due to limited expertise is up to you to clarify.
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« Reply #23843 on: January 15, 2019, 12:14:44 pm »

Taking the post in question you appear to assume that you speak for most on here; you don't have that mandate. You have some supporters but some of those have outlandish views so easy to ignore. It's a pity you resort to spiteful jibes on non league grounds. I don't think you have sufficient skills to push your agenda through. You struggle with your main opponent  - Melly. Whether this is due to limited  education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.


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« Reply #23844 on: January 15, 2019, 12:32:18 pm »

Your assumptions are nothing more than assumptions and as ever staggeringly misguided. Your refusal to embark on any balanced assessment whilst endearing mearly highlights the shortcomings in your credibility. However Iíll keep questioning your nonsense as long as you keep spouting it. You can evade as much as you like, they will keep coming right back at you. A claim of easily achievable, and I quote ďeasilyĒ 50% growth displays a level of incompetence rarely experienced in my professional life. However, whilst you keep attempting to influence the path of the club I love I will continue to expose your ridiculous jargon. Call it a labour of love.

I support you on this Melly. Keep at it!
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« Reply #23845 on: January 15, 2019, 12:58:11 pm »

I appreciate that Vintage and Iím not having a go Iím really not. What ever the ins and outs Worcester have invested a significant amount of money in the infrastructure because they believe it to be viable. All I am trying to point out is that it is not straight forward and you have to evaluate each case on its merits. The fact is that investment in the infrastructure at NTFC has a place. The decision about what to spend and when needs to be carefully planned but I would be part of the big picture and has a place. As I keep saying the major stumbling block is the capital. Beds would have you believe this an be achieved through increased attendance at the gate, food and beverage sales etc etc. But because we would have had no capital investment this would need to be achieved with Sixfields in its current state. However, he claims that this is the very thing that prevents us from increasing attendance etc. Itís the proverbial chicken and egg and is nothing more than total lunacy. This debate needs a dose of common sense and the bleeding obvious if it is going to gather momentum. Despite appearances I am not having a go at Beds either at the end of the day. I get frustrated because it detracts from what should be a discussion about realistic and viable options to drag the club out of what we universally accept is the endless cycle of being in the doldrums at best.
I have put forward what I believe is the very best all round solution for a way out of our never ending cycle of failure, a scheme that doesn't need multi billionaires but would  involve the whole town and support base which also gets local businesses involved and this by offering great value on corporate boxes should they buy off plan and for us regular supporters a chance to buy 3 year season tickets to help fund the capacity increase.
The future short fall in season tickets would be easily recovered by higher match day takings from playing out of league 2
Having all involved is essential, all being aware patience with the team during a transitional period is key for future success we can expect.
Other forms of fund raising / grants/ would run alongside to ensure others can also get involved ensuring targets are met.
It's a low risk investment, completed in stages so those willing to buy advanced ST/ corporate boxes know it benefits not only the club greatly but will  save them money in the long run.
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« Reply #23846 on: January 15, 2019, 13:14:29 pm »

I have put forward what I believe is the very best all round solution for a way out of our never ending cycle of failure, a scheme that doesn't need multi billionaires but would  involve the whole town and support base which also gets local businesses involved and this by offering great value on corporate boxes should they buy off plan and for us regular supporters a chance to buy 3 year season tickets to help fund the capacity increase.
The future short fall in season tickets would be easily recovered by higher match day takings from playing out of league 2
Having all involved is essential, all being aware patience with the team during a transitional period is key for future success we can expect.
Other forms of fund raising / grants/ would run alongside to ensure others can also get involved ensuring targets are met.
It's a low risk investment, completed in stages so those willing to buy advanced ST/ corporate boxes know it benefits not only the club greatly but will  save them money in the long run.
How many years would we have in order for the plan to work? If you're suggesting years 2 and 3 shortfall is made up with increased gates then that implies promotion would be required in year 1.
What happens if promotion isnt achieved within the time frame?
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« Reply #23847 on: January 15, 2019, 13:17:28 pm »

it obviously doesn't matter to most who the owners are so why should it matter if a group of fans and local business owners own and run the club?

Ultimately we can't be in much of a worse position and we have 7 years until our next promotion (history would suggest) so perhaps in that time those who love the club can get it to a state where, upon promotion we can actually keep growing and improving.

Those like Evers have had 50 years of what they seem to want, IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.

Those that think that just getting new players in are also clearly wrong, we need infrastructure and goodwill that lasts more than 12 months. Their ideas have been blown out of the water as only 2 short seasons after winning by 13 points we are struggling back in League 2. We need a sustained effort to improve every single aspect of our club and DEMAND better. KT doesn't want to do it so please get out of the way and give it to those that do, afterall KT you have said on more than one occasion you want to do the right thing for the people of Northampton  
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« Reply #23848 on: January 15, 2019, 14:01:19 pm »

How many years would we have in order for the plan to work? If you're suggesting years 2 and 3 shortfall is made up with increased gates then that implies promotion would be required in year 1.
What happens if promotion isnt achieved within the time frame?
Playing division 4 football is not an option.
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« Reply #23849 on: January 15, 2019, 14:38:17 pm »

Playing division 4 football is not an option.
But is the current reality. How many years do we have to get promoted for your suggestion to work?
For an example, albeit with different challenges, it took Portsmouth 4 years to get promoted and Wycombe 5 years from when the supporters took over
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« Reply #23850 on: January 15, 2019, 15:45:08 pm »



Are people who post such messages as way of an opinion allowed on this board?
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« Reply #23851 on: January 15, 2019, 16:04:56 pm »



Those like Evers have had 50 years of what they seem to want, IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.



In that 50years we have had numerous promotions and regretable relegations. We had 3 years in League 2(now Championship and one year in the now Premier League. To me those were great days and achievement. Most of us will probably welcome an improvement in Clubs persception in improving facilites let alone playing staff. To be frank the complete failure of Beds, Mecc and you to present a unified front let alone an acceptable plan to many on here strongly suggests your message is not getting through. I forsee a time when the current chairman sells and departs. Then you will be left with a consortium who dont share your views and then what?
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« Reply #23852 on: January 15, 2019, 16:16:05 pm »


For an example, albeit with different challenges, it took Portsmouth 4 years to get promoted and Wycombe 5 years from when the supporters took over

unpalatable facts not allowed - Uni , sorry!
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« Reply #23853 on: January 15, 2019, 16:29:39 pm »

The demand is sort of already there, we took 7000 to MK cup game, 21000 to wembley, 44000 to wembley  etc. Not sure when he said that re Worcester but I expect they never had that level of proven support at any time

There is no one single answer that will keep everyone happy and solve all our problems.

What is clear is that the Northampton public is fed up with outside land investors or worse, who break their promises and have no plan for NTFC.

It is all about value, and everyones value is different but I am pretty sure that IF we were all things Beds wants, I have no doubt we would have 8-9000 at least.

Those who stay away want in bad times want to be associated with success, determination, effort and more success, what division they are in has little relevance. Leeds, Portsmouth and Sunderland all have hit massive attendances when they are around the top of the table, it doesn't matter that they were in League 1 at the time. However for this to be sustained the match day experience needs to be good to hold them when that success drops a bit and good atmosphere with facilities also then helps attract the better players, which might bring more success etc etc etc  

Sorry to drag up an old post, but I have been playing catch up on this thread.

Unfortunately Random you are wrong. The Northampton public do not give a flying fķck about NTFC. If we were to go down the tube tomorrow never to resurface in twelve months most people would have forgotten there ever was a football club. At the moment all they are interested in is the latest on the Cardoza/Loan saga purely for voyeuristic reasons.
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« Reply #23854 on: January 15, 2019, 16:55:17 pm »

Taking the post in question you appear to assume that you speak for most on here; you don't have that mandate. You have some supporters but some of those have outlandish views so easy to ignore. It's a pity you resort to spiteful jibes on non league grounds. I don't think you have sufficient skills to push your agenda through. You struggle with your main opponent  - Melly. Whether this is due to limited  education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.


What a nasty comment to make.
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« Reply #23855 on: January 15, 2019, 16:55:39 pm »

so what plan would be acceptable to you Evers?  (i bet you don't give us anything of any substance)

I really don't even know why I am asking but a broken clock is right twice per day so you never know !
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« Reply #23856 on: January 15, 2019, 17:30:30 pm »

so what plan would be acceptable to you Evers?  (i bet you don't give us anything of any substance)

I really don't even know why I am asking but a broken clock is right twice per day so you never know !


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« Reply #23857 on: January 15, 2019, 17:35:17 pm »

What a nasty comment to make.

which part?
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« Reply #23858 on: January 15, 2019, 17:46:31 pm »

I don't think a Fan owned club(even at 55%) will work if this Forum is anything to go by; so much discord, false prophets and too many people with plans on how to spend other peoples money. My ego does not stretch to producing and supporting an acceptable plan which suit your agenda.

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« Reply #23859 on: January 15, 2019, 17:50:26 pm »

which part?
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