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« Reply #23880 on: January 16, 2019, 06:56:18 am »

Did you have confidence in both Cardoza and Thomas, before losing faith after years of baloney?
Possibly they have made you lose all trust in anything to do with your football club?
Fear not, after the take over there will be no more council badgering, no long drawn out legal nonsence, secrecy and no more empty promises.
Thank god, this long drawn out legal purchase secret and probably empty promise of how we are going to be able to take over a football club with no capital is really starting to grate on my nerves.
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« Reply #23881 on: January 16, 2019, 11:26:47 am »

You maybe missing the point on Cardoza and for that matter KT. I don't appreciate the type of criticism (perhaps some of it near libelous/abusive comments) aimed at both Chairmen. Of cource DC is a differerent kettle of fish  - where you at that fateful Feb Meeting in 2015 to support Iniesta? Big mistake by the anti DC brigade not to support Iniesta at that meeting. When the Trust joined in the protest against DC, I joined the Trust submitted monies and generally joined in the campaign. As a matter of interst did you?

I dont subscribe to your view that those who are proposing Business Plans etc should not at least exhibit their expertise in such matters; I find that an extraordinary comment.  I agree that to question the IQ of the "Three" Musketeers(of which you are 1) is a clumsy and poor taste jibe.
Unfortunately the apparent failure of you "three" to unite the fan base(on here) with your plans says a lot. Most of the time you all come up with same repetitive mantra. Thats not very clever is it! Furthermore on the question of IQ's in my opinion some of our Fanbase at least on here have shown considerable IQ levels and intelligence to question the "Three" on their plans. Some of them like Pedj and Cobblerswatch have declared their expertise and yet you do not!  What I suggest is unite with the remaining duo thrash out a plan and put it out to the fan base. A cohesive plan might achieve more results.

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Refresh my memory? Iniesta? What are you talking about?
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« Reply #23882 on: January 16, 2019, 13:50:10 pm »

Did DC or KT submit their business plan and prove their expertise to you or anyone else?

Yes of course I was there rattling buckets, I was also at a Trust board meeting trying to encourage the Trust to join up with NBC and thrash out a deal whilst a former MP was mudding the waters with talks of phoenix clubs and playing on the racecourse

I think those on the Trust board have finally had enough (my thoughts not what they have directly said)  and their patience has finally run out waiting on the word of would-be saviours. Like the old saying goes... if you want some done.. do it yourself  or if you want some done properly DO IT YOURSELF

I would agree the opposite regarding showing IQ when questioning us 3 musketeers, they very rarely actually put any of their own detail or suggestions, just belittling and put downs. They  / you complain of my comments re KT / DC well I don't think I have been proven wrong on anything I have said. Again I said 3 years ago KT would not build the East stand, now that was 3 long years ago, so perhaps that proves I have a really high IQ and know what I am talking about. Same with DC I was 4 years earlier than many of here.

You do realise that the 3 musketeers is actually a compliment,  as the cartoon went..... one for all and all for one, .. helping everybody   
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« Reply #23884 on: January 16, 2019, 15:28:00 pm »


You do realise that the 3 musketeers is actually a compliment,  as the cartoon went..... one for all and all for one, .. helping everybody   

It is easier to say (for me) the 'Three Musketeers' (hence fwd as the 'Three') as then it saves spelling/mentioning out names Cool I see you are fixated by the IQ comment (now withdrawn). Regarding the IQ levels of those who question the 'Three' you should be ashamed in doubting those who question your ideas. Clearly some of them have put together missives which suggest reasonable IQ debating levels. Please withdraw your calculated insult to those Posters who challenge your views.
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« Reply #23885 on: January 16, 2019, 15:32:54 pm »

Refresh my memory? Iniesta? What are you talking about?

No I wont - you know very well what I meant and Iniesta was the hero of your movement.

I do agree might have misspelt his name tho' - some on here may help.
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« Reply #23886 on: January 16, 2019, 16:26:29 pm »

Not only do the Northampton public care very much for its football club, So does the whole football league.
We have allowed ourselves to be cheated from exciting profitable fixtures against local teams such as , Cov Luton, Posh, Oxford, Walsall etc and interesting match ups against the likes of Portsmouth Charlton, Sunderland and many more this season costing us over £1.5m due to our owners inability to run our football club in a manner that allows it to retain league 1 status and  be competitive.
It's our owners that dont really care long term not our clubs supporters .

The Northampton public do not care. NTFC fans care about what is going on. What you forget is that a very large proportion of the people in your catchment area argument are incomers, with historical links to other clubs(mainly London clubs) and the rest of them follow the eggchasers. I know several people who are Northampton born and bred who get on the train week in week out down to London or wherever their team is playing, because that's what they used to do with their Dads and Uncles. What we have failed to do not only over the Cardoza and KT stewardships is grab the youngsters at school level and this should have been ongoing from the 70's. If we don't get them young we will not get them at all and they will get their matchday experience in front of the TV from Sky Sports.
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« Reply #23887 on: January 16, 2019, 17:24:35 pm »

The Northampton public do not care. NTFC fans care about what is going on. What you forget is that a very large proportion of the people in your catchment area argument are incomers, with historical links to other clubs(mainly London clubs) and the rest of them follow the eggchasers. I know several people who are Northampton born and bred who get on the train week in week out down to London or wherever their team is playing, because that's what they used to do with their Dads and Uncles. What we have failed to do not only over the Cardoza and KT stewardships is grab the youngsters at school level and this should have been ongoing from the 70's. If we don't get them young we will not get them at all and they will get their matchday experience in front of the TV from Sky Sports.
41,000/33,000/21,500 fans for our three Wembley appearences, not to mention the, albeit completely off the scale, 7000 to MK suggests that given factors, there certainly is support in the county and beyond.
I agree to an extent that catching fans young is the way forward - but that requires more than success on the pitch - dare I say look at MK down the road, whose second generation fans are just about hatching from their eggs and actually travelling away!
The parents' historical links argument hits almost every club...which is why we have a Stone Island wearing, Yorkshire thru and thru nineteen year old lad in Hull, supporting the Cobblers!
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« Reply #23888 on: January 16, 2019, 17:28:25 pm »

41,000/33,000/21,500 fans for our three Wembley appearences, not to mention the, albeit completely off the scale, 7000 to MK suggests that given factors, there certainly is support in the county and beyond.
I agree to an extent that catching fans young is the way forward - but that requires more than success on the pitch - dare I say look at MK down the road, whose second generation fans are just about hatching from their eggs and actually travelling away!
The parents' historical links argument hits almost every club...which is why we have a Stone Island wearing, Yorkshire thru and thru nineteen year old lad in Hull, supporting the Cobblers!

At least I know I'm not alone then.
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« Reply #23889 on: January 16, 2019, 17:53:37 pm »

The Northampton public do not care. NTFC fans care about what is going on. What you forget is that a very large proportion of the people in your catchment area argument are incomers, with historical links to other clubs(mainly London clubs) and the rest of them follow the eggchasers. I know several people who are Northampton born and bred who get on the train week in week out down to London or wherever their team is playing, because that's what they used to do with their Dads and Uncles. What we have failed to do not only over the Cardoza and KT stewardships is grab the youngsters at school level and this should have been ongoing from the 70's. If we don't get them young we will not get them at all and they will get their matchday experience in front of the TV from Sky Sports.
It would be pointless to try and encourage a new generation of cobblers fans to a non leaguish Sixfields in its present pityful state as it would not entice them to return.
Once we have the place resembling a professional atmospheric stadium playing competitively in League one, we will see them turn up, love the feel of the place, like what they see and hear so they bring a friend to the next game and before long they will be breaking down the doors to get in.

I fully understand why For 30 plus years many thousands of Northamptonians  have gone and watched some other towns clubs, it's what their fathers did so they just follow suit without question or shame as sadly the Cobblers have never had the infrastructure to sustain anything more than being an embarrassment of a club.
Thankfully this can easily be rectified over a couple of short seasons and see the tide turn.


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« Reply #23890 on: January 16, 2019, 18:24:44 pm »

No I wont - you know very well what I meant and Iniesta was the hero of your movement.

I do agree might have misspelt his name tho' - some on here may help.

WTF are you talking about? You really are a plum! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23891 on: January 16, 2019, 18:53:37 pm »

At least I know I'm not alone then.

If it helps you are not quite alone Wink  I dont quite agree with some of your comments as to me those Wembley experiences suggested that we have a substantial fan base. How to tap into that fan base is the 69k Dollar question. What is disappointing that during the Championship Season our attendances failed to materialize sufficiently to encourage NTFC to push for Ground improvement.
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« Reply #23892 on: January 16, 2019, 19:04:16 pm »

WTF are you talking about? You really are a plum! Roll Eyes

Again - you were party to the exchanges following that meeting  and well before that too. I refuse to submit to low level bullying tactics and find it extraordinary that you now find it impossible to recall those heady days. If I remember correctly you were challenged why you did not attend that meeting. Seems like you are suffering from short memory syndrome? Trawl thro the threads you will locate the relevant threads. Good luck though.
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« Reply #23893 on: January 16, 2019, 19:08:20 pm »

It would be pointless to try and encourage a new generation of cobblers fans to a non leaguish Sixfields in its present pityful state as it would not entice them to return.




Total tosh....Majority of young kids visiting sixfields know no better as they probably haven't been to another ground ..I remember my first game at the County Ground and thought it was the dogs nuts. However,looking back...Ö.
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« Reply #23894 on: January 16, 2019, 19:28:15 pm »

Total tosh....Majority of young kids visiting sixfields know no better as they probably haven't been to another ground ..I remember my first game at the County Ground and thought it was the dogs nuts. However,looking back...Ö.
Can you imagine your excitement had it really been the dogs nuts?
I doubt even the most imaginative young kids would ever look at Sixfields as being a real stadium.
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« Reply #23895 on: January 16, 2019, 20:52:45 pm »

Can you imagine your excitement had it really been the dogs nuts?
I doubt even the most imaginative young kids would ever look at Sixfields as being a real stadium.

Have just asked my nine year old, who has been with me to about 30 games now, what his opinion of going to Sixfields is, and he replied;

It doesn't matter where you sit, you get a good view of the game. I like the West stand because it has the best view.

He did then temper this by saying that it was a shame that we are playing rubbish though! Out of the mouths of children eh?!

However, his statements do raise some salient points, which have already been covered I think?

Do we invest in the infrastructure in order to attract & retain more supporters or will more supporters come naturally if they are watching an entertaining, winning team? Which should come first, or should both aspects be tackled simultaneously?

The attendances in the championship winning season did start to rise to the point where half of the South stand was assigned to home supporters on, from memory, three occasions. The will was there at the time but it was sadly extinguished within half a season with Page and JED at the helm. All momentum was then lost and we have gone backwards ever since. For those that back KT to the hilt, the buck has to stop at his door for this because, as Chairman, the overall strategy for manager recruitment is his, as is setting the strategy for off field activity.

So, and this is the million dollar question, what now???
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« Reply #23896 on: January 16, 2019, 20:58:26 pm »

It would be pointless to try and encourage a new generation of cobblers fans to a non leaguish Sixfields in its present pityful state as it would not entice them to return.
Once we have the place resembling a professional atmospheric stadium playing competitively in League one, we will see them turn up, love the feel of the place, like what they see and hear so they bring a friend to the next game and before long they will be breaking down the doors to get in.

I fully understand why For 30 plus years many thousands of Northamptonians  have gone and watched some other towns clubs, it's what their fathers did so they just follow suit without question or shame as sadly the Cobblers have never had the infrastructure to sustain anything more than being an embarrassment of a club.
Thankfully this can easily be rectified over a couple of short seasons and see the tide turn.



I reckon about half the contributors on here if not more started following the club at the county ground. When I was 6 I didnít give a stuff about the ground. All I cared about was the club winning and on rare occasions superstar players turning up. Thatís not to say the ground doesnít matter because it does and will without question have an affect. Again you put forward a completely biased and ridiculous argument to attempt to manipulate people to follow your agenda. Trouble is youíd have to be thick as pig sh1t not to see through it. People hate attempts at being manipulated and will often push back and resist if they feel this is what is happening. Add a bit of balance and reason to your arguments and people may listen to the points you raise more readily.
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« Reply #23897 on: January 16, 2019, 21:13:52 pm »

Have just asked my nine year old, who has been with me to about 30 games now, what his opinion of going to Sixfields is, and he replied;

It doesn't matter where you sit, you get a good view of the game. I like the West stand because it has the best view.

He did then temper this by saying that it was a shame that we are playing rubbish though! Out of the mouths of children eh?!

However, his statements do raise some salient points, which have already been covered I think?

Do we invest in the infrastructure in order to attract & retain more supporters or will more supporters come naturally if they are watching an entertaining, winning team? Which should come first, or should both aspects be tackled simultaneously?

The attendances in the championship winning season did start to rise to the point where half of the South stand was assigned to home supporters on, from memory, three occasions. The will was there at the time but it was sadly extinguished within half a season with Page and JED at the helm. All momentum was then lost and we have gone backwards ever since. For those that back KT to the hilt, the buck has to stop at his door for this because, as Chairman, the overall strategy for manager recruitment is his, as is setting the strategy for off field activity.

So, and this is the million dollar question, what now???
3000 shareholders in the club amounts to 3 thousand salesmen. Doing something radical would almost certainly be of interest to businesses who may then consider associating themselves with it. It also promotes the romantic idea of the underdog which is an eternally popular idea. At least thatís what I think. That is the real point ďI thinkĒ, all well and good but with something this important you donít want to think, you have to know. Therefore the Trust or whoever canvassing opinion is vital. The canvassing process also has to be considered including addressing some of the major hurdles. If possible the additional canvassing of a snapshot of local businesses of various sizes would also indicate how attractive some of the ideas for the future of the club would be to them? Like I said with something like this you donít want to think you want to know. That is going to take carefully considered action and participation.
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« Reply #23898 on: January 16, 2019, 21:20:50 pm »

Total tosh....Majority of young kids visiting sixfields know no better as they probably haven't been to another ground ..I remember my first game at the County Ground and thought it was the dogs nuts. However,looking back...Ö.

Yep. I've still got a photo of my then 8 year old stepdaughter standing on the hill outside Sixfields, wafting a scarf around and yelling with excitement at attending her first ever football match.
When her and her brother later attended their first game as season ticket holders they just happened to be picked out of the crowd to be be flag wavers greeting the players out. They were thrilled. Funnily enough, the fact the stadium only held about 7000 people at that point didn't seem to diminish the moment for them.
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« Reply #23899 on: January 16, 2019, 21:28:16 pm »

Again - you were party to the exchanges following that meeting  and well before that too. I refuse to submit to low level bullying tactics and find it extraordinary that you now find it impossible to recall those heady days. If I remember correctly you were challenged why you did not attend that meeting. Seems like you are suffering from short memory syndrome? Trawl thro the threads you will locate the relevant threads. Good luck though.

Once again: You refer to someone named 'Iniesta' leading some mythical 'movement'. Explain yourself, or else admit you are lying and making things up, again!
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