The Hotel End
November 22, 2019, 00:37:05 am
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
  Home Help Search Arcade Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register  

Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

Pages: 1 ... 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 [1196] 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 ... 1298   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?  (Read 1014712 times)
everbrite
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 13914


Suffer fools gladly


View Profile
« Reply #23900 on: January 16, 2019, 21:57:52 pm »

Once again: You refer to someone named 'Iniesta' leading some mythical 'movement'. Explain yourself, or else admit you are lying and making things up, again!

Once again you use threats; demanding explanations. Once again it was not made up it was a Trust Meeting with Cardoza  in attendance. I am astonished at your attitude and your failure to remember an important meeting.

post edit:

Sorry mislead you on name : the correct spelling is Iest_ntfc
Date of Meeting 20th Feb 2014 so I got the year wrong too.
Steve Riches did a report on the meeting 26th Feb 2014

Again I am sorry you were inadvertently advised the incorrect name and year. So much has passed under the bridge since 2014 and clearly my recollection of events dont match yours. I have no more comments to make to you on the subject.



« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 23:32:21 pm by everbrite » Report Spam   Logged

Don't mistake activity for achievement
Coolcat
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5494



View Profile
« Reply #23901 on: January 16, 2019, 22:13:27 pm »

Total tosh....Majority of young kids visiting sixfields know no better as they probably haven't been to another ground ..I remember my first game at the County Ground and thought it was the dogs nuts. However,looking back...Ö.
That's true regarding seven year olds... certainly, Beds is spot on regarding the 12+ year olds... not to mention adults!

However old you were - and when you first went to a Cobblers game is well in the past...the football and sport in general experience has well and truly changed, have you not noticed the development of Franklins Gardens in the last fifteen years or so?
Report Spam   Logged
JollyCobbler
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Posts: 4777


View Profile
« Reply #23902 on: January 17, 2019, 01:52:29 am »

Once again you use threats; demanding explanations. Once again it was not made up it was a Trust Meeting with Cardoza  in attendance. I am astonished at your attitude and your failure to remember an important meeting.

post edit:

Sorry mislead you on name : the correct spelling is Iest_ntfc
Date of Meeting 20th Feb 2014 so I got the year wrong too.
Steve Riches did a report on the meeting 26th Feb 2014

Again I am sorry you were inadvertently advised the incorrect name and year. So much has passed under the bridge since 2014 and clearly my recollection of events dont match yours. I have no more comments to make to you on the subject.





You made me laugh out loud! Grin You've been firing off salvos at me, and yet you not only incorrectly named the bloke you were talking about, you also gave the wrong year. Brilliant! Wink
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23903 on: January 17, 2019, 06:43:20 am »

Why do i have to forward my business credentials for you to believe in what i say?

I haven't said we are going to do this or this or this have I?

I am only asking people on here to want more for our football club, I have not asked them for money or to vote for me. Yes I am against those that have hurt or belittled or damaged or stolen from my beloved football club, I have no idea why I am this passionate about NTFC, I just am.

What I really don't understand Evers is your total unstinting support for DC and now KT and your total destain for those genuine people who only want a football club to be proud of. You ask no questions or utter any words of discord about DC and KT but are quick to question the IQ of those who come up with far more intelligent comment and ideas that you have ever done.


Well, the fact is Random that Beds has by far the best proposal on this forum. It involves the take over of a club with a 4 million turnover but no profit. Then his plan is to easily achieve a growth rate of 50% (his words not mine) and redevelop the ground with corporate boxes out of profit that doesnít currently exist. Additionally this will be achieved with no capital investment. All apparently also achieved in an environment that until developed, he claims is the current cause of the clubs stagnation. That is an incredibly attractive proposition. However with any proposal it is axiomatic that the greater the claims the greater the levels of scepticism and incredulity of the individuals and bodies you are presenting the idea or proposal to. This doesnít present a problem because you then move onto the most important part of any proposal which is called ďproof of conceptĒ. At this point the people you are trying to influence ask challenging and probing questions which the proposer hopefully answers with a considerable degree of confidence and assertiveness proving the concept. In the event the proposer becomes evasive then it should quickly becomes apparent that there is no proof of concept and the proposal is anywhere between a nice dream and the delusional ramblings of a fantasist. At every point when challenged Beds ducks or evades the question without exception. Therefore itís neither intelligent commentary or even an idea, and given the considerable future levels of success claimed in his proposal, I would put it at the upper end on the nonsense scale. I accept this is dsappointing for everyone given the attractive nature of his claims, but never the less true Iím afraid and thatís just the way it is. If Beds, you or anyone else believes in his proposal and are frustrated at constantly being criticised, then come up with a proof of concept to back up the claims, simples. If not, given the refusal to back up the claims, itís not unreasonable to expect that the criticism and incredulity expressed by others will continue.
Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2529


View Profile
« Reply #23904 on: January 17, 2019, 08:42:07 am »

I reckon about half the contributors on here if not more started following the club at the county ground. When I was 6 I didnít give a stuff about the ground. All I cared about was the club winning and on rare occasions superstar players turning up. Thatís not to say the ground doesnít matter because it does and will without question have an affect. Again you put forward a completely biased and ridiculous argument to attempt to manipulate people to follow your agenda. Trouble is youíd have to be thick as pig sh1t not to see through it. People hate attempts at being manipulated and will often push back and resist if they feel this is what is happening. Add a bit of balance and reason to your arguments and people may listen to the points you raise more readily.
It's not manipulation of others thought process to suggest as a club giving a poor match day experience in a tiny unatmospheric ground, that is way below the expectation of a large towns professional football club, it will struggle to sell and grow its product.
I could at this point accuse you of making excuses for our continual failure to escape league 2, but I wont.

Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2529


View Profile
« Reply #23905 on: January 17, 2019, 09:49:27 am »

Well, the fact is Random that Beds has by far the best proposal on this forum. It involves the take over of a club with a 4 million turnover but no profit. Then his plan is to easily achieve a growth rate of 50% (his words not mine) and redevelop the ground with corporate boxes out of profit that doesnít currently exist. Additionally this will be achieved with no capital investment. All apparently also achieved in an environment that until developed, he claims is the current cause of the clubs stagnation. That is an incredibly attractive proposition. However with any proposal it is axiomatic that the greater the claims the greater the levels of scepticism and incredulity of the individuals and bodies you are presenting the idea or proposal to. This doesnít present a problem because you then move onto the most important part of any proposal which is called ďproof of conceptĒ. At this point the people you are trying to influence ask challenging and probing questions which the proposer hopefully answers with a considerable degree of confidence and assertiveness proving the concept. In the event the proposer becomes evasive then it should quickly becomes apparent that there is no proof of concept and the proposal is anywhere between a nice dream and the delusional ramblings of a fantasist. At every point when challenged Beds ducks or evades the question without exception. Therefore itís neither intelligent commentary or even an idea, and given the considerable future levels of success claimed in his proposal, I would put it at the upper end on the nonsense scale. I accept this is dsappointing for everyone given the attractive nature of his claims, but never the less true Iím afraid and thatís just the way it is. If Beds, you or anyone else believes in his proposal and are frustrated at constantly being criticised, then come up with a proof of concept to back up the claims, simples. If not, given the refusal to back up the claims, itís not unreasonable to expect that the criticism and incredulity expressed by others will continue.
Firstly to achieve a  50% increase in all ntfc matchday revenues streams would take just a 1% increase from our catchment to turn up more regularly.
Admittedly that wont happen in an undeveloped little 1980s style sixfields as KT being the latest outsider to find out the hard way that Northampton sports fans expect much better.
As for proof of concept,  without a fully functional east stand and extra capacity to play in league 1, we can't survive so no proof needed their.
Several businesses paying up front for 5 seasons to take the best corporate boxes, would go a long way to pay for the fit out the east stand with boxes bars and resturants.
1000 current supporters/ local buisneses  paying for a 3 year fixed price transferable season tickets would raise £1,000,000  towards the extra 3000 capacity in the form of a bank of terracing  required to sell more tickets to league 1 games allowing open pay on the day, without restrictions.
Combined with several well known and workable fund raising ideas and grants, you have your proof of concept right there.
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23906 on: January 17, 2019, 09:54:18 am »

It's not manipulation of others thought process to suggest as a club giving a poor match day experience in a tiny unatmospheric ground, that is way below the expectation of a large towns professional football club, it will struggle to sell and grow its product.
I could at this point accuse you of making excuses for our continual failure to escape league 2, but I wont.


Thatís not what I said you are using to manipulate people, and I make no excuses for our continual failure to escape league 2, so you can accuse me of that if you wish? You wont mind if I challenge that accusation as well though will you? To reiterate I believe your proposals are unworkable fantasy and when pressed you continually evade the opportunity to clarify or elaborate because I believe you canít. If you truly want change as do I and most on this forum then modify your approach and propose something that will achieve popular support because itís a fact that this will be the only catalyst for change. I donít believe you are stupid or lack intelligence so the fact you donít and continue to promote your line of reasoning despite the amount of derision you receive suggests that you have some alternative or additional motivation that remains a mystery and probably always will. Whatever the reason all be it to prove you are right, ego, to save face or whatever you clearly hold this motive  in higher regard than change at the club which you claim to be desperate for? Otherwise you would change tack and propose something reasonable that the majority will get behind and possibly get a real opportunity for change? Itís up to you.
Report Spam   Logged
meccanostand
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1063


View Profile
« Reply #23907 on: January 17, 2019, 10:00:41 am »

Luton Town receive planning permission for new 23k stadium with bars, restaurants, a hotel and housing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-46898086
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23908 on: January 17, 2019, 10:03:57 am »

Firstly to achieve a  50% increase in all ntfc matchday revenues streams would take just a 1% increase from our catchment to turn up more regularly.
Admittedly that wont happen in an undeveloped little 1980s style sixfields as KT being the latest outsider to find out the hard way that Northampton sports fans expect much better.
As for proof of concept,  without a fully functional east stand and extra capacity to play in league 1, we can't survive so no proof needed their.
Several businesses paying up front for 5 seasons to take the best corporate boxes, would go a long way to pay for the fit out the east stand with boxes bars and resturants.
1000 current supporters/ local buisneses  paying for a 3 year fixed price transferable season tickets would raise £1,000,000  towards the extra 3000 capacity in the form of a bank of terracing  required to sell more tickets to league 1 games allowing open pay on the day, without restrictions.
Combined with several well known and workable fund raising ideas and grants, you have your proof of concept right there.

oh dear, that is not proof of concept that is opinion and nothing more. Things are becoming a little clearer, you have no idea what a proper proof of concept is do you, so no thatís not my proof right there. You better find out because you wonít get many businesses buying into advances in cash without it. Sorry I forgot, you donít do research or take onboard the views of others? Getting businesses to pay in advance for goods and services they regularly use and want is a near impossibility. Not that it matters, Iíve got more chance of becoming the Pope than seeing this get off the ground.
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23909 on: January 17, 2019, 10:07:10 am »

Luton Town receive planning permission for new 23k stadium with bars, restaurants, a hotel and housing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-46898086
It just shows what is achievable with proper funding, Beds take note?
Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2529


View Profile
« Reply #23910 on: January 17, 2019, 10:17:57 am »

Thatís not what I said you are using to manipulate people, and I make no excuses for our continual failure to escape league 2, so you can accuse me of that if you wish? You wont mind if I challenge that accusation as well though will you? To reiterate I believe your proposals are unworkable fantasy and when pressed you continually evade the opportunity to clarify or elaborate because I believe you canít. If you truly want change as do I and most on this forum then modify your approach and propose something that will achieve popular support because itís a fact that this will be the only catalyst for change. I donít believe you are stupid or lack intelligence so the fact you donít and continue to promote your line of reasoning despite the amount of derision you receive suggests that you have some alternative or additional motivation that remains a mystery and probably always will. Whatever the reason all be it to prove you are right, ego, to save face or whatever you clearly hold this motive  in higher regard than change at the club which you claim to be desperate for? Otherwise you would change tack and propose something reasonable that the majority will get behind and possibly get a real opportunity for change? Itís up to you.
We can all agree that the east stand needs fitting out to as good as it can be, but the only other suggestions were to turn the little stands into something resembling Burton latimers ground or cardozas master plan to infill the corners, so until someone comes up with a better solution to our low capacity problem, a bank of terracing is cost effective and popular and maybe  our only option.
 Its quite popular amoungst younger fans. 'Kop' ends are being introduced in modern stadium like spurs who have a massive 17000 bank of safe standing in their new ground.


Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2529


View Profile
« Reply #23911 on: January 17, 2019, 10:19:34 am »

It just shows what is achievable with proper funding, Beds take note?
but in the absence of proper funding?
Do nothing?
Report Spam   Logged
Zen Master
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2156


Taxi to Kings Heath mate?


View Profile
« Reply #23912 on: January 17, 2019, 10:26:09 am »

It just shows what is achievable with proper funding, Beds take note?

Ironic really that developing a site near the motorway isnít something weíd thought of to pay for it all !
If only weíd had that.

http://www.2020developments.co.uk/newlandspark/ 
Report Spam   Logged

I think someone should just take this city of Peterborough and just... just flush it down the f***in' toilet
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23913 on: January 17, 2019, 10:27:19 am »

We can all agree that the east stand needs fitting out to as good as it can be, but the only other suggestions were to turn the little stands into something resembling Burton latimers ground or cardozas master plan to infill the corners, so until someone comes up with a better solution to our low capacity problem, a bank of terracing is cost effective and popular and maybe  our only option.
 Its quite popular amoungst younger fans. 'Kop' ends are being introduced in modern stadium like spurs who have a massive 17000 bank of safe standing in their new ground.



Now you see, thatís more like it. Reasonably achievable, but how are we going to fund it? Beds mate Iím not having a go despite the rhetoric but as a collective we simply have to come up with a reasonable way to get funding. Itís going to be exceptionally difficult but not impossible. Iíve suggested an avenue to investigate and there will be others. If we pull together and take this stage by stage in bite size chunks with reasonable and considered decisions we might just get somewhere, maybe. Without patronising you please just put all that energy and enthusiasm into something that the majority will buy into. Itís the only way.
Report Spam   Logged
Coolcat
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5494



View Profile
« Reply #23914 on: January 17, 2019, 10:31:29 am »

Once again: You refer to someone named 'Iniesta' leading some mythical 'movement'. Explain yourself, or else admit you are lying and making things up, again!
He means Iestyn to stop this dragging on...or are you both just ensuring the thread eases past the 1200 mark?  Grin
Report Spam   Logged
BedsCobb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2529


View Profile
« Reply #23915 on: January 17, 2019, 10:45:56 am »

Now you see, thatís more like it. Reasonably achievable, but how are we going to fund it? Beds mate Iím not having a go despite the rhetoric but as a collective we simply have to come up with a reasonable way to get funding. Itís going to be exceptionally difficult but not impossible. Iíve suggested an avenue to investigate and there will be others. If we pull together and take this stage by stage in bite size chunks with reasonable and considered decisions we might just get somewhere, maybe. Without patronising you please just put all that energy and enthusiasm into something that the majority will buy into. Itís the only way.
The beauty of getting to the stage where you can't afford not to find the funds, they then become very easily found.
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23916 on: January 17, 2019, 11:07:02 am »

The beauty of getting to the stage where you can't afford not to find the funds, they then become very easily found.

I donít know about easily but they can be found. There is always a way if thereís a will, especially a collective one. Have we just agreed on something???
Report Spam   Logged
memyhead
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1984


View Profile
« Reply #23917 on: January 17, 2019, 11:09:50 am »

JOINT STATEMENT: NORTHAMPTON BOROUGH COUNCIL AND NORTHAMPTON TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/january/boroguh_council_joint_statement/

Northampton Borough Council and Northampton Town Football Club (NTFC) have today jointly confirmed that positive discussions are continuing to be had on a range of topics including the development of the East Stand at the PTS Academy Stadium.

The Borough Council and NTFC are not able, at this stage, to provide detailed information or a time frame for these discussions to be completed but they have both confirmed the outcomes will be to everyoneís benefit including both supporters of the club and the wider public and be deliverable within a realistic timeframe. Whilst discussions have included nearby land under the control of CDNL (County Development Northampton Limited) both parties are clear that the completion of the East Stand will come first.

Further information will be provided as and when possible, but this is a complicated and technical discussion with both the Borough Council and NTFC very anxious to avoid creating any further difficulties or delays, and it is now important to allow these discussions to complete to ensure a positive conclusion is reached.
Report Spam   Logged
threeinabed
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2630


View Profile
« Reply #23918 on: January 17, 2019, 11:12:08 am »

JOINT STATEMENT: NORTHAMPTON BOROUGH COUNCIL AND NORTHAMPTON TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/january/boroguh_council_joint_statement/

Northampton Borough Council and Northampton Town Football Club (NTFC) have today jointly confirmed that positive discussions are continuing to be had on a range of topics including the development of the East Stand at the PTS Academy Stadium.

The Borough Council and NTFC are not able, at this stage, to provide detailed information or a time frame for these discussions to be completed but they have both confirmed the outcomes will be to everyoneís benefit including both supporters of the club and the wider public and be deliverable within a realistic timeframe. Whilst discussions have included nearby land under the control of CDNL (County Development Northampton Limited) both parties are clear that the completion of the East Stand will come first.

Further information will be provided as and when possible, but this is a complicated and technical discussion with both the Borough Council and NTFC very anxious to avoid creating any further difficulties or delays, and it is now important to allow these discussions to complete to ensure a positive conclusion is reached.

what a load of pointless bollocks
Report Spam   Logged
guest3114
Guest
« Reply #23919 on: January 17, 2019, 11:30:45 am »

what a load of pointless bollocks

Certainly not pointless. A public statement to attempt to appease the masses and subdue any rising unrest that may be occurring due to the prolonged silence and absence of activity. The only reasonable course of action that could have been taken by the board, short of actually doing something obviously. Itís the old adage of the 5 pronged stalling tactic.
Stage 1 We are going to do something but we are being prevented from doing it.
Stage 2 We want to do something but thereís nothing we can do?
Stage 3. We are talking to the other parties and maybe thereís something we can do?
Stage 4. We have agreed to do something but weíre not sure when?
Stage 5 . Maybe thereís something we could have done but itís too late now.
Report Spam   Logged
Pages: 1 ... 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 [1196] 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 ... 1298   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal
Parental guidance is urged as this messageboard may not be suitable for all persons especially those under the age of 16 as the forums may contain words, phrases and expressions not considered appropriate for a younger audience so please express caution. If any posts in the forums offend you, please let us know and we will look at them and if we agree with your complaint, we will remove them. You are personally responsible and potentially liable for the contents of your posting and may be sued should your posting contain content of a defamatory or other illegal nature. Every message posted leaves a traceable IP number. We check the forums at various times of the day and remove offending posts. Other supporters are welcome but abusive or silly posts will be removed and the offenders potentially barred from future access to the site. We advise that you never reveal any personal information about yourself or anyone else (for example: telephone number, home address or email address), and please do not include postal addresses of any kind. This messageboard is not endorsed or in any way affiliated with Northampton Town FC. All postings on this board become copyright of The Hotel End & may not be reproduced without the permission of the board administrator. By signing up to this message board you agree to this. The Hotel End cannot be held liable for the actions or postings of its members. The Hotel End reserve the right to edit, delete, move or close any thread for any reason. The Hotel End may disclose user information to government authorities at their discretion or when required by law. The Hotel End may also disclose user information when The Hotel End has reason to believe that someone is causing injury to or interference with its rights or property, other The Hotel End users, or anyone else that could be harmed by such activities. By registering for The Hotel End, you agree to indemnify The Hotel End its representatives, and agents, and hold them harmless from any and all claims (including claims for legal fees) which may arise from your participation on the The Hotel End. You also agree that The Hotel End is not responsible for the materials posted by users of The Hotel End. In addition, you grant The Hotel End and its affiliates, worldwide, royalty-free perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display any message or content posted on The Hotel End and/or e-mail sent by you to The Hotel End (in whole or in part). The Hotel End reserves the right to make the rules up as it goes along. Thank you - The Hotel End I love Quidco
Bookmark this site! | Upgrade This Forum
SMFServer.com - Create your own Forum

Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy