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« Reply #24180 on: February 02, 2019, 13:39:43 pm »

I have had one question for KT from day one and itís never been answered to my knowledge? That is why did he buy the club? No really, what was the specific motivation and what has changed to make him want to sell? Itís not the most convenient business for him to involve himself in being based in the States and would probably have a detrimental effect on his other interests? Further to this, no one with a level of intelligence goes into something like this on a whim and without a very clear plan and set of objectives, so what were they? Being at Oxford means that this was no learning curve either. I say this without agenda or implied accusation, it has genuinely been a mystery to me from the start and remains that way, for the moment? If it was for the love of football and to be involved in the culture then he probably wouldnít be selling would he? Itís all been baffling me for years, and I donít buy the land grab theory either. Too difficult and messy.

Maybe difficult and messy, but there was a land grab. If you search back far enough through this thread you'll find I outlined exactly what occurred (posted maybe May/June of last year?).
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« Reply #24181 on: February 02, 2019, 13:43:59 pm »

My take is that you cannot build a sustainable, successful football club without the right infrastructure  and that means having a decent ground with facilities that earn money for the club 7 days a week.  Add to that the need for the club to own permanent training facilities.  It is not as though this is unusual in the sphere of professional sport in the UK.  How many towns and cities in England with a population much the same as Northampton (225,000 and rising) have football clubs without such basic foundations?  Achieving that in Northampton would be the starting point. 

Great so you've identified the problem everyone already knew and has known for years.  What's your solution?

I can pretty much guarantee a community ownership alongside private investment model would face the exact same challenges ALL previous owners have faced.  Let alone even contemplating how that model would even work together in practice.

Without enabling development or SERIOUS amounts of financial investment the community ownership model would be treading water just to stay afloat like everyone else has in the past.  Let alone considering new training grounds, stadium expansion or even finishing the East stand as it is.  Different doesn't mean better.

Also most ignore the council aspect of this.  They are broke and completely ineffective/inactive in most of their activities particularly planning and any large development.  That's a fact.  A different ownership model for NTFC has no impact on that whatsoever.
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« Reply #24182 on: February 02, 2019, 13:47:17 pm »

The same as everyone else really. List of issues discussed :

* Seems like a bit of a fire sale?
*Rumours of money troubles?
*Lack of action on the East Stand?
*Are you just a "land grabber" or whatever the term people use?
* Did you earn £6millon from 5USport and what happened?
*Why is there no mid to long term vision for the ground?
* Some large discussions about players, the Trust, fans, managers (ex and current) and of course DC.
* A long discussion about the positive work going on at the club and the positive changes

 It's very easy to get caught up in negativity, especially when you read this forum and that's what happened with me, so I wanted to find out for myself.

The concerns I personally had were satisfied by the answers the chairman gave and the way he backed up his answers with hard proof. 

I wanted answers, I sought them, I got them. I wasn't the only one this week either.

It's really not that hard if you care that much, that's just my opinion. Also I'm quite happy to take flak and for people to suggest I've been brainwashed etc it's water off a ducks back and the beauty of the world we live in is that everyone is entitled to their view and everyone is allowed an opinion - I just dont get the abuse that goes on, on both sides of the argument, at the end of the day we all are connected by one thing, the Cobblers, and we all want the best for the Cobblers. Just because people have a different view doesn't mean they're an idiot, they're naive or they're a clown. The world is a nasty enough place without all of us turning on each other! I can understand people's concerns and I some of those concerns are probably exacerbated by the whole DC saga.

The more fans pull together the better IMO as it's only going to benefit the club - looking into more fan involvement with the club like the Trust are doing is a fantastic start and my ultimate wish is that the Trust become an open, honest, fully inclusive group that helps drive positive change - they seem to be making some baby steps towards this (That's not a dig btw, it's meant as a positive) and that can only be a good thing.

I love the Cobblers, they've been the one constant in my life and they've helped me get through some tough times by simply being able to go and watch them and take my mind off stuff for 90 minutes. Whatever people choose to say about the Cobblers, they're a bloody good football club and that's something we shouldn't lose sight of. We are so very good at concentrating on the negatives, especially here in Northampton as we **** love a moan don't we?




Firstly, thanks for taking the time to respond. Two things though: What exactly was the hard proof he provided to reassure you all is well? Also, it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that everyone with concerns about the current running of the club contact KT directly; the bloke would be inundated. I also doubt he supplied you with anything beyond the stock answers he always offers, because if he'd got anything of substance to say we'd be getting the full bells & whistles with a statement.
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« Reply #24183 on: February 02, 2019, 13:48:43 pm »

Iíd say picking up a going concern for a £1 albeit with tax bill etc to settle is an easy win particularly when you can negotiate a debt settlement along the way.
That the club footprint is 11 acres also helps and then the inside track on all matters CDNL / First Land that delivers information and direct contact to the administrators to allow CVA to be agreed thus avoiding forfeiture of the leases to the big parcel of adjoining land back to NBC.

Apart from that I have no idea.

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« Reply #24184 on: February 02, 2019, 14:15:12 pm »

The same as everyone else really. List of issues discussed :

* Seems like a bit of a fire sale?
*Rumours of money troubles?
*Lack of action on the East Stand?
*Are you just a "land grabber" or whatever the term people use?
* Did you earn £6millon from 5USport and what happened?
*Why is there no mid to long term vision for the ground?
* Some large discussions about players, the Trust, fans, managers (ex and current) and of course DC.
* A long discussion about the positive work going on at the club and the positive changes

 It's very easy to get caught up in negativity, especially when you read this forum and that's what happened with me, so I wanted to find out for myself.

The concerns I personally had were satisfied by the answers the chairman gave and the way he backed up his answers with hard proof. 

I wanted answers, I sought them, I got them. I wasn't the only one this week either.

It's really not that hard if you care that much, that's just my opinion. Also I'm quite happy to take flak and for people to suggest I've been brainwashed etc it's water off a ducks back and the beauty of the world we live in is that everyone is entitled to their view and everyone is allowed an opinion - I just dont get the abuse that goes on, on both sides of the argument, at the end of the day we all are connected by one thing, the Cobblers, and we all want the best for the Cobblers. Just because people have a different view doesn't mean they're an idiot, they're naive or they're a clown. The world is a nasty enough place without all of us turning on each other! I can understand people's concerns and I some of those concerns are probably exacerbated by the whole DC saga.

The more fans pull together the better IMO as it's only going to benefit the club - looking into more fan involvement with the club like the Trust are doing is a fantastic start and my ultimate wish is that the Trust become an open, honest, fully inclusive group that helps drive positive change - they seem to be making some baby steps towards this (That's not a dig btw, it's meant as a positive) and that can only be a good thing.

I love the Cobblers, they've been the one constant in my life and they've helped me get through some tough times by simply being able to go and watch them and take my mind off stuff for 90 minutes. Whatever people choose to say about the Cobblers, they're a bloody good football club and that's something we shouldn't lose sight of. We are so very good at concentrating on the negatives, especially here in Northampton as we **** love a moan don't we?



Cheers mate. Some good points raised. I see that you have signed off, but I am sure that you will be back. Till the next time..
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« Reply #24185 on: February 02, 2019, 14:30:05 pm »

Maybe difficult and messy, but there was a land grab. If you search back far enough through this thread you'll find I outlined exactly what occurred (posted maybe May/June of last year?).
I would be more accepting of this had it not been for the fact that the Cardozas didnít make the most of the opportunity and walked away giving it on a plate to KT for a quid, really?
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« Reply #24186 on: February 02, 2019, 18:27:11 pm »


Another apologist for the status quo. 

Didnít read a word past that. If your opening sentence is wrong, no point in reading the rest.

I never said Iím happy with the status quo. Thatís another story YOU HAVE BUILT. Carry on. If it suits your agenda to lie through your teeth. Fill your boots.
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« Reply #24187 on: February 02, 2019, 18:39:57 pm »

I take it like me you had a bad day at Sixfields but don't call me a liar.
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« Reply #24188 on: February 02, 2019, 19:40:31 pm »

I see another window pain has been smashed in the West. Perhaps KT could find the money amongst his other Ďsmall improvementsí to get them fixed. It looks awful!
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« Reply #24189 on: February 02, 2019, 20:19:26 pm »

I see another window pain has been smashed in the West. Perhaps KT could find the money amongst his other Ďsmall improvementsí to get them fixed. It looks awful!

We don't know who owns the windows.......we are however having positive talks with the council and are making good progress towards agreeing a process whereby the windows will be boarded up. We are hopeful that this will happen in the next ten....years.
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« Reply #24190 on: February 02, 2019, 20:20:15 pm »

By you directly or a friend of a friend.  Probably should give a bit more detail to support your claim.  I'm all for cracking open some of these secrets but only if they are replaced by facts. Not untruths, gossip or rumour.

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« Reply #24191 on: February 02, 2019, 21:08:16 pm »

I take it like me you had a bad day at Sixfields but don't call me a liar.

Unfortunately you are. You made a remark you canít possibly substantiate.. I wonít push you for an apology  Tongue

See... Youíre a fully signed up member of a an exceptionally naive culture that has developed on here. Where if a person doesnít agree with you, they must fully endorse what you donít agree with. Youíve lost your ability to understand impartiality. I have said over and over that I support NTFC. Iím not a very political creature. Equally I am not completely clear on who really knows the truth. So I donít have a side. In fact, itís safe to say I am at this point, and have been for quite a long time, totally ambivalent.

So... Now you can understand why I called you a liar... Perhaps liar is a bit strong.. Ignoramus would be more apt.
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« Reply #24192 on: February 05, 2019, 07:03:35 am »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-47091179
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« Reply #24193 on: February 05, 2019, 09:53:13 am »

I think Grossman should have enough cash to see him comfortably through ten years, however, he'll be on boards and have directorships as Mrs Grossman tomorrow.

These business parasites can flip flop names at will, using just a middle name can be enough to side swipe HMRC and the very short arm of the law, when it comes to cash that is.

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« Reply #24194 on: February 05, 2019, 10:14:59 am »

I think Grossman should have enough cash to see him comfortably through ten years, however, he'll be on boards and have directorships as Mrs Grossman tomorrow.

These business parasites can flip flop names at will, using just a middle name can be enough to side swipe HMRC and the very short arm of the law, when it comes to cash that is.


You would have to assume that this is just the start . A simple tap over the knuckles as he allegedly sits on the missing public millions isnít going to suffice .
I wonder if Grossman and Mackintosh are sleeping well right now .
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« Reply #24195 on: February 05, 2019, 12:30:51 pm »

Ladies and gentlemen, no one has been found guilty of anything illegal in a court of law related to NBC, NTFC or any other issue that has a tenuous link to either.
Some of the words and insinuations being posted on here have been getting too close for our liking.
We will continue to delete without notice any that do however we do not patrol this board 24/7 therefore do not expect us to pick up your pieces if a lawyer comes knocking on our doors to assist in their enquiries about one of your posts.
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« Reply #24196 on: February 05, 2019, 13:26:09 pm »

Ladies and gentlemen, no one has been found guilty of anything illegal in a court of law related to NBC, NTFC or any other issue that has a tenuous link to either.
Some of the words and insinuations being posted on here have been getting too close for our liking.
We will continue to delete without notice any that do however we do not patrol this board 24/7 therefore do not expect us to pick up your pieces if a lawyer comes knocking on our doors to assist in their enquiries about one of your posts.
See the small print below :
I hope that this makes it clear, although...  Roll Eyes

This in itself shows how easy it is for those who so clearly go about things so illegally, to go about their day to day 'business'.

The press cant say anything, you cant talk about it on a forum, you get warned if you put anything on twitter/facebook etc. Indeed there is no outlet that can name and shame anybody these days without the fear of repercussion or nanny state type moderating.

Lets be clear here. Its those reasons, that we are where we are today. People were trying to expose certain individuals and every time hit a brick wall in doing so, meaning that the masses didn't believe anything until it was too late. I do accept that the opposite would be a vigilante society, but even so, in our little world of claret and white, its *frustrating*!

I also understand why as moderators, you have to do what you do. But Id love to put stuff on here about certain individuals from the not too distant past, because for me there is so much telling evidence (or at least evidence that wrong doing occurred)  but for some reason no one has been criminally brought to justice. Fingers crossed that it all comes out at some point and we can type all kinds of sh1t until our hands are aching!  Grin



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« Reply #24197 on: February 05, 2019, 14:24:14 pm »

Hence only adding the link to the bbc. It has also attracted Twitter interest via David Conn
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« Reply #24198 on: February 05, 2019, 16:15:35 pm »

I blame all the socialists, they are nothing but terrorist loving parasites and most of them are hypocrites, middle class do gooders, w@nkers. 

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« Reply #24199 on: February 05, 2019, 16:38:30 pm »

If i had any evidence I'd take it to the authorities and if absolutely convinced of it's veracity make my view clear and take down the details of who I have spoken/written to and ask what they are going to do with it.

I'd make a point of ensuring my local Police and Crime Commisioner is asked why you are not getting an acceptable response from the relevent authorities if this happens to be the case (refer back to the details taken per the 1st sentence).

I found (when I lived in a suburb of Northampton) local Councillors useful in gaining a satisfactory response to local issues.
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