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« Reply #24240 on: March 05, 2019, 13:42:34 pm »

Well... Let me give you an idea how.

Even if fan ownership is achieved the club will stand just as still as it is now, unless they can do something that no club has ever done in lower league football without significant external investment. Namely, make money from gate receipts alone. By making that parcel of land an asset of community value, it most likely will deter external investment into building on it. It's bad enough that you've got to encourage someone to buy a football club that won't show a return on its own. Let along invite in all sorts of covenants around building on the land.

A fan ownership model under any guise, has to be based on bringing in another owner at some point. So in many respects the club will be in exactly the same position if owned by fans, as it is today. The only major advantage, is that supporters will negotiate from our perspective, as opposed form a quick buck, or corporate laden perspective.

I have said all along that I quite like the idea of fan ownership. But I'm under no illusions that unless they hit the ground running and attract significant investment early doors, they won't last five minutes. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest they will not enjoy the luxury of an honeymoon period at all. The Trusts current mantra is that anything has to be better than just sitting dead in the water going nowhere, with no information on the way forward. The moment they sit in that hot seat, they will need a serious TRANSPARENT plan on investment and the way forward. Most of the staff that they anticipate taking over haven't managed that in years.

The meeting at the Park Inn cannot be about what people think they know about the current situation. Like or not, results are not terrible. We have maintained league status, we as far as I am aware are solvent. Certainly the club is trading as solvent. In addition to that, but probably most importantly.. NOBODY actually knows the truth. The only issue is that none of us have a clue about the way forward for the club. And it appears that KT has no intention of developing a supporter inclusive culture. That's his choice. So the Trust have the rather daunting task of presenting examples of investment paths. As well as giving us an idea of where they believe they can improve things.

This as far as I'm aware, has never been done. We are not talking about saving a business from the brink of oblivion. We are not out shaking buckets. All of the staff are being paid. The club is competitive. Maybe not as competitive as we would like, but competitive. As far as I am aware, and I know a few of the staff, they are not unhappy with KT. There hasn't been any significant unrest from the main body of the support. So this is a relatively unique set of circumstances. It is an attractive option, but there is definitely unrest between the Trust and the club, or KT. We as supporters have to be sure that we are not part of that agenda. It has to be a stand alone proposition, that can attract support and investment through its own merit, and not because we don't like what we currently have. I am happy to listen to the invited guests. But I am equally aware that their situation shares no parallel with ours.

I am looking forward to something tangible. Something that is transparent. Like most supporters, I am very frustrated with false dawns and what seems to be a perpetual state of inertia at NTFC. But I am equally aware that this is not a recent advent, or indeed unique to us as a club. In fact lack of progress without significant investment appears to be the norm for nearly all lower league clubs.  
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« Reply #24241 on: March 05, 2019, 14:43:57 pm »

That’s interesting, when I was alluding to people on here with agendas I wasn’t actually referring to you, I just tend to ignore your posts as you just repeat the same thing ad nauseum and show no interest in doing anything constructive or that requires coming out from behind your keyboard.
How You can defend Thomas when in 3 plus years hasn't offered a single well thought out plan as to get our club moving in the right direction allowing us to become a football club worthy of such a vast catchment?
It's my belief he surrounded himself with our more agreeable fan base that continues to heap praise on him despite him donning his emperor's new suit!
'A football man' my ar5e.
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« Reply #24242 on: March 05, 2019, 14:47:31 pm »

How You can defend Thomas when in 3 plus years hasn't offered a single well thought out plan as to get our club moving in the right direction allowing us to become a football club worthy of such a vast catchment?
It's my belief he surrounded himself with our more agreeable fan base that continues to heap praise on him despite him donning his emperor's new suit!
'A football man' my ar5e.

He is worthy of one accolade.. He has completely destroyed any chance of you ever getting him out of your head. You can sense the utter loathing and hatred you have for him in every post mate. And you can sense in building up to bursting point.  Grin Grin

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« Reply #24243 on: March 05, 2019, 14:58:43 pm »

How You can defend Thomas when in 3 plus years hasn't offered a single well thought out plan as to get our club moving in the right direction allowing us to become a football club worthy of such a vast catchment?
It's my belief he surrounded himself with our more agreeable fan base that continues to heap praise on him despite him donning his emperor's new suit!
'A football man' my ar5e.

Good old Beds - if in doubt/you are challenged cut and paste. I don’t recall saying anywhere that I’m defending KT but if it makes you feel better then fine.
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« Reply #24244 on: March 05, 2019, 15:20:38 pm »

He is worthy of one accolade.. He has completely destroyed any chance of you ever getting him out of your head. You can sense the utter loathing and hatred you have for him in every post mate. And you can sense in building up to bursting point.  Grin Grin

I can see you ending on a section by the end of this  Grin
Grin I can assure you no hatred towards anyone and my mental well being is healthy and not affected  by the past 20 years of poor ownership!
Our latest period of inactivity has come as no surprise to me, I had his cards marked at the American preacher style presentations,  the ribbon cutting to a bog door and over exageration of some other small stuff during the first month of his tenure.
I actually witnessed him signing autographs and taking selfies I kid you not!
Way back then you could sense smokescreening of the plans we lacked and needed, were not forthcoming and 3 long years later, he is still here without a plan!

We can all agree we're  overdue a change in direction, the thought of this lot again rocking up in August without any plans is laughable.
I'm backing the trust and will be present down the Saxon inn on Sunday.
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« Reply #24245 on: March 05, 2019, 15:32:51 pm »


We can all agree we're  overdue a change in direction, the thought of this lot again rocking up in August without any plans is laughable.
I'm backing the trust and will be present down the Saxon inn on Sunday.

The new or the old one?
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« Reply #24246 on: March 05, 2019, 17:20:50 pm »

Well... Let me give you an idea how.

Even if fan ownership is achieved the club will stand just as still as it is now, unless they can do something that no club has ever done in lower league football without significant external investment. Namely, make money from gate receipts alone. By making that parcel of land an asset of community value, it most likely will deter external investment into building on it. It's bad enough that you've got to encourage someone to buy a football club that won't show a return on its own. Let along invite in all sorts of covenants around building on the land.

A fan ownership model under any guise, has to be based on bringing in another owner at some point. So in many respects the club will be in exactly the same position if owned by fans, as it is today. The only major advantage, is that supporters will negotiate from our perspective, as opposed form a quick buck, or corporate laden perspective.

I have said all along that I quite like the idea of fan ownership. But I'm under no illusions that unless they hit the ground running and attract significant investment early doors, they won't last five minutes. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest they will not enjoy the luxury of an honeymoon period at all. The Trusts current mantra is that anything has to be better than just sitting dead in the water going nowhere, with no information on the way forward. The moment they sit in that hot seat, they will need a serious TRANSPARENT plan on investment and the way forward. Most of the staff that they anticipate taking over haven't managed that in years.

The meeting at the Park Inn cannot be about what people think they know about the current situation. Like or not, results are not terrible. We have maintained league status, we as far as I am aware are solvent. Certainly the club is trading as solvent. In addition to that, but probably most importantly.. NOBODY actually knows the truth. The only issue is that none of us have a clue about the way forward for the club. And it appears that KT has no intention of developing a supporter inclusive culture. That's his choice. So the Trust have the rather daunting task of presenting examples of investment paths. As well as giving us an idea of where they believe they can improve things.

This as far as I'm aware, has never been done. We are not talking about saving a business from the brink of oblivion. We are not out shaking buckets. All of the staff are being paid. The club is competitive. Maybe not as competitive as we would like, but competitive. As far as I am aware, and I know a few of the staff, they are not unhappy with KT. There hasn't been any significant unrest from the main body of the support. So this is a relatively unique set of circumstances. It is an attractive option, but there is definitely unrest between the Trust and the club, or KT. We as supporters have to be sure that we are not part of that agenda. It has to be a stand alone proposition, that can attract support and investment through its own merit, and not because we don't like what we currently have. I am happy to listen to the invited guests. But I am equally aware that their situation shares no parallel with ours.

I am looking forward to something tangible. Something that is transparent. Like most supporters, I am very frustrated with false dawns and what seems to be a perpetual state of inertia at NTFC. But I am equally aware that this is not a recent advent, or indeed unique to us as a club. In fact lack of progress without significant investment appears to be the norm for nearly all lower league clubs.  


'Even if fan ownership is achieved the club will stand just as still as it is now, unless they can do something that no club has ever done in lower league football without significant external investment. Namely, make money from gate receipts alone.' No league club could possibly do this and I am sure a fan-owned club would not expect to.

'there is definitely unrest between the Trust and the club, or KT. We as supporters have to be sure that we are not part of that agenda' - the whole point of the trust is that it represents the supporters.
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« Reply #24247 on: March 05, 2019, 20:23:34 pm »


'Even if fan ownership is achieved the club will stand just as still as it is now, unless they can do something that no club has ever done in lower league football without significant external investment. Namely, make money from gate receipts alone.' No league club could possibly do this and I am sure a fan-owned club would not expect to.

'there is definitely unrest between the Trust and the club, or KT. We as supporters have to be sure that we are not part of that agenda' - the whole point of the trust is that it represents the supporters.

Well.. You've managed to state the obvious. The Trust represents its membership. Not the supporters. There are roughly 4000 odd supporters on match days who haven’t in any way endorsed the Trusts perspective on anything thus far. That’s not to say they agree with anything KT does.
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« Reply #24248 on: March 05, 2019, 20:24:13 pm »

The new or the old one?
The old ones were killed off by their inability to stay out of Cardozas pocket or get into the faces of these latest lot.
The new trust are more objectionable and have shown they have a route map for our club to follow, which doesnt involve any more council blaming and time wasting.
Hope that helps Wink
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« Reply #24249 on: March 05, 2019, 20:28:30 pm »

The old ones were killed off by their inability to stay out of Cardozas pocket or get into the faces of these latest lot.
The new trust are more objectionable and have shown they have a route map for our club to follow, which doesnt involve any more council blaming and time wasting.
Hope that helps Wink

I’m pretty sure you mean “objective” and not “objectionable” - they mean very different things, although to be fair who knows?
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« Reply #24250 on: March 05, 2019, 20:50:28 pm »

Well.. You've managed to state the obvious. The Trust represents its membership. Not the supporters. There are roughly 4000 odd supporters on match days who haven’t in any way endorsed the Trusts perspective on anything thus far. That’s not to say they agree with anything KT does.
Do you need to be a member before declaring your support for the Trust then?
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« Reply #24251 on: March 05, 2019, 22:11:59 pm »

The old ones were killed off by their inability to stay out of Cardozas pocket or get into the faces of these latest lot.
The new trust are more objectionable and have shown they have a route map for our club to follow, which doesnt involve any more council blaming and time wasting.
Hope that helps Wink

I didn't realise we had a new Trust.
Was our membership transferred across or do we have to re-join?
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« Reply #24252 on: March 06, 2019, 07:56:33 am »

It appears you have misunderstood my point. Or I didn't make that aspect of it very clear  Smiley I am talking from the perspective of the Trust and its inclusion into the way the club steers itself. I have found KT to be exceptionally approachable. In fact I have a lot of respect for him and those that work with him. I do think that he could have limited a lot of the current damage had he considered having the Trust involved in some way. But equally I find the Trust to be as entitled as KT is at times.

The bottom line is this. If you choose to challenge KT you are told to go and see him in person. I have done this a few times. At the risk of opening the floodgates, he is very open. He does show what I would accept clear evidence of ongoing discussion. But you have to go and see him in person. But let's be clear here. Both him and the Trust have operated for some time under the same cloak and dagger agenda. When I have asked the Trust to open and honest about their discussions with the council etc, they have refused to divulge the details of their meetings. You can actually here Andy Roberts say on the podcast, that it wouldn't be fair for him to divulge the content of those meetings. Every time I have asked the Trust for details on their proposals or information on their ongoing discussion with involved parties, they have offered to either meet in person, or have been told I need to join the board.

The bottom line is neither of hem have helped themselves at times. They both behave as if they have had their fingers burnt in the past. Perhaps they have.

One thing that's for sure... Nobody should be foolish enough to think that KT doesn't have a trump card up his sleeve..
Trump card my arse Tel  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #24253 on: March 06, 2019, 08:26:49 am »

Well.. You've managed to state the obvious. The Trust represents its membership. Not the supporters. There are roughly 4000 odd supporters on match days who haven’t in any way endorsed the Trusts perspective on anything thus far. That’s not to say they agree with anything KT does.

What is the trust comprised of? No, don't answer that I will tell you - supporters. The government of this country represents all of us but we don't necessarily support their views and we haven't all joined a political party. The trust, so far as I know, is the only body that has been set up to represent the supporters.
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« Reply #24254 on: March 06, 2019, 10:26:40 am »

What is the trust comprised of? No, don't answer that I will tell you - supporters. The government of this country represents all of us but we don't necessarily support their views and we haven't all joined a political party. The trust, so far as I know, is the only body that has been set up to represent the supporters.

I won't get into the difference of a democratically approved public body, comparative to a co-operative. I think it's fair to say you might be putting a bit of a creative spin on a rather week point.

Either way. I am more than happy to hear and accept that the Trust should be appreciated for what they are doing in bringing some salient points to the fore.
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« Reply #24255 on: March 06, 2019, 10:44:55 am »

Trump card my arse Tel  Grin Grin Grin Grin

...any owner of a football club has the ultimate trump card & if they play it, the complaints of today would pale into insignificance.

I've lost a lot of faith in KT over the last 6 months or so but I'm still to have any confidence in the vague alternative proposals being mentioned
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« Reply #24256 on: March 06, 2019, 11:13:18 am »

...any owner of a football club has the ultimate trump card & if they play it, the complaints of today would pale into insignificance.

I've lost a lot of faith in KT over the last 6 months or so but I'm still to have any confidence in the vague alternative proposals being mentioned

I just can't see him sitting back. I don't know anything specific.

As for any owner being able to assuage complaints. You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.
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As for any owner being able to assuage complaints. You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.

100% agree - I mentioned it on here years ago a close business colleague of mine was considering joining the board at Bradford PA with a sizable cash injection but listening to the abuse the directors got at games, on social media etc he changed his mind - same people, same rhetoric and bizarre sense of entitlement. 
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You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.

It's called passion. It changes your sense of reality and is often misplaced, just let it go.

I'm not sure how much you will understand these people being such a rational and logical chap, we're all wired differently. Have you never screamed at the wife? Do you not make her scream?

West Brom just sacked Darren Moore, where's the rationale that? Football is like no other business in so many regards, so stop feeling sorry for individuals who want to get involved with their eyes wide open.
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« Reply #24259 on: March 11, 2019, 13:44:03 pm »

It's called passion. It changes your sense of reality and is often misplaced, just let it go.

I'm not sure how much you will understand these people being such a rational and logical chap, we're all wired differently. Have you never screamed at the wife? Do you not make her scream?

West Brom just sacked Darren Moore, where's the rationale that? Football is like no other business in so many regards, so stop feeling sorry for individuals who want to get involved with their eyes wide open.

As usual you have got yourself all worked up, due to a basic lack of comprehension. Naturally I understand that commonsense is often a casualty in these circumstances. But, it is a bit strange that it generally adversely afflicts a specific group more than most of us. In the appropriate circumstances like at a match, my passion is equal to all. But once you have left the sporting arena; and you have taken a few minutes to share your reaction on something, commonsense should prevail.

I have been with my wife for 30 years. We have engaged in a number of passionate activities. None of them involved shouting/screaming at each other. I'll give it go sometimes. Is their a specific chant that you use during your passionate activities?  Grin Grin Tongue

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