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« Reply #25320 on: July 27, 2019, 06:23:09 am »

It looks like about 5000 + disagree with you... So I’d drop the “we” bit for the moment.
The level of support from our total catchment being less than 2% would suggest differently.
Most clubs get above 4%.
Which works well for Thomas and co, as should we go out of our way to attract another 1.5% to regularly attend, our run down shell of a ground would be far too small.
Thomas, once inexplicably said Sixfields is OK for league 1 football, 'ok for now' was his words which soon came back to bite him on the arse with instant relegation back to L2 with his accumulated  losses then dumped on our club
I don't think he ignored history, which clearly shows Sixfields as is, is unable to sustain L1 football, but more try to buck the trend while waiting for his good fortune from the land to become available.
Our loyal Supporters, the supporters we should've attracted  that we failed to engage with, those lapsed supporters and the ones of the future all need a reason to return after these past  20 years of stagnation.
And it's never going to happen until  our club stops being used by outsiders to gain vast personal wealth at the expense of the club that represents their town.
Thank you to the Trust and the NBC for putting our club before that of the speculators.

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« Reply #25321 on: July 27, 2019, 07:46:00 am »

I think it looks like that if you’re at a Trust meeting with a council representative there..

I’d imagine it would look a lot different if it was a meeting with the club and the council..


Tel’s point understood and well made.

I would only add that the Trust has at least got the attention of the Council.  That in itself has not been easy. Translating that attention into action that protects the football club and its long term future is the challenge. 

The lure of possible significant financial gain is always likely to distract attention from long term benefit to supporters and the wider community.  The danger is that the Council decides a relatively quick financial gain is the  determining factor, the fact that the club’s owners acting through another company (CDNL) make big personal profits is secondary and the interests of the football club and its supporters come a distant third.  That risk remains as real today as it did before Thursday’s meeting.


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« Reply #25322 on: July 27, 2019, 12:14:09 pm »

The level of support from our total catchment being less than 2% would suggest differently.
Most clubs get above 4%.

Did we get more than %2 before?  And I don't mean on seasons we were winning the league.

I just think people round here prefer rugby,  less drama, a lot less.
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« Reply #25323 on: July 27, 2019, 13:18:33 pm »


Tel’s point understood and well made.

I would only add that the Trust has at least got the attention of the Council.  That in itself has not been easy. Translating that attention into action that protects the football club and its long term future is the challenge. 

The lure of possible significant financial gain is always likely to distract attention from long term benefit to supporters and the wider community.  The danger is that the Council decides a relatively quick financial gain is the  determining factor, the fact that the club’s owners acting through another company (CDNL) make big personal profits is secondary and the interests of the football club and its supporters come a distant third.  That risk remains as real today as it did before Thursday’s meeting.




Exactly. And potentially could happen, especially given NBC's record when it comes to raking in any short term gain. Forward thinking has never been their strong point.
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« Reply #25324 on: July 27, 2019, 14:27:18 pm »

KT and DB were at the head of a queue of ONE when we required new owners. They sorted immediate debts and oversaw issues on and off the field, which I am appreciative of.

BUT now everything has stagnated, much to the frustration of supporters.

I ask KT to come out and have the courtesy to inform fans of his short term plans for NTFC. Initially for the East Stand and longer term further development ie Conference Centre and/or Hotel!

I feel supporters have sat on their hands long enough but now KT your time is up!
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« Reply #25325 on: July 29, 2019, 11:21:30 am »



I ask KT to come out and have the courtesy to inform fans of his short term plans for NTFC.


Do you? Or have you just posted it on a messageboard that Kelvin Thomas doesn't give one jot about?
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« Reply #25326 on: July 29, 2019, 11:28:36 am »

Do you? Or have you just posted it on a messageboard that Kelvin Thomas doesn't give one jot about?

He will have done. Very proactive is BBS.
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« Reply #25327 on: July 29, 2019, 19:22:38 pm »

KT and DB were at the head of a queue of ONE when we required new owners. They sorted immediate debts and oversaw issues on and off the field, which I am appreciative of.

BUT now everything has stagnated, much to the frustration of supporters.

I ask KT to come out and have the courtesy to inform fans of his short term plans for NTFC. Initially for the East Stand and longer term further development ie Conference Centre and/or Hotel!

I feel supporters have sat on their hands long enough but now KT your time is up!

Completely reasonable
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« Reply #25328 on: July 29, 2019, 21:05:34 pm »

He will have done. Very proactive is BBS.
Previously I have bought shares in the club and therefore went to the AGM of NTFC and asked relevant questions to KT!

So Frenchie, YES 'BBS is very proactive'...........and you have done what proactively?
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« Reply #25329 on: July 29, 2019, 22:21:19 pm »

Previously I have bought shares in the club and therefore went to the AGM of NTFC and asked relevant questions to KT!

So Frenchie, YES 'BBS is very proactive'...........and you have done what proactively?

Corr you try and compliment someone!
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« Reply #25330 on: July 30, 2019, 03:13:58 am »

Will this thread ever overtake the Paul Pogba one? https://www.juventuz.com/threads/paul-pogba.34761/page-2486

2486 pages - 49,710 posts, A fantastic effort all round.
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« Reply #25331 on: July 30, 2019, 07:50:21 am »

Do you? Or have you just posted it on a messageboard that Kelvin Thomas doesn't give one jot about?
This forum was a major irritant to him 3 years ago, you must be forgetting how in the beginning how he used social media to the extreme when getting you on side by telling you work was imminent on the East stand without even disclosing working plans! The very same form of communication has now made him virtually silent over this past year or so.
You can stop the people thinking for only for so long, some it takes a little longer but eventually the cap doffing has to stop.
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« Reply #25332 on: July 30, 2019, 08:04:57 am »

Did we get more than %2 before?  And I don't mean on seasons we were winning the league.

I just think people round here prefer rugby,  less drama, a lot less.
During the rising popularity of football over these past 20 years most clubs if not all have embraced the modern game by evolving, well nearly all , Northampton town being the only exception,  who despite having a local population boom have bucked the trend and regressed as a club, shrinking its market share and alienating itself from the catchment it represents.
This is why we're probably the worst supported club in Britain.
Don't try and make excuses as to why this is, look no further than us, for 2 decades, being used to facilitate the aquirement of valuble land thats very unlikely to benefit our club in anyway.

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« Reply #25333 on: July 30, 2019, 08:13:07 am »

Corr you try and compliment someone!
He was replying to Wassacobbler, asking him what he's done thats proactive.
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« Reply #25334 on: July 30, 2019, 09:36:51 am »

During the rising popularity of football over these past 20 years most clubs if not all have embraced the modern game by evolving, well nearly all , Northampton town being the only exception,  who despite having a local population boom have bucked the trend and regressed as a club, shrinking its market share and alienating itself from the catchment it represents.
This is why we're probably the worst supported club in Britain.
Don't try and make excuses as to why this is, look no further than us, for 2 decades, being used to facilitate the aquirement of valuble land thats very unlikely to benefit our club in anyway.



So... Who do you want to get that land?
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« Reply #25335 on: July 30, 2019, 10:27:34 am »

So... Who do you want to get that land?
I would like the football club to retain its oringal footprint that goes out just beyond the running track and a bit of the field. That secures the future intrests of access around Sixfields.
All other land that runs from midway running track field all the way down to the saints should be shared by Cardoza,  Thomas and co, the Bushey boys and NBC boys and girls as way of bonus, should they get the deal done by tomorrow, thus allowing our club to restart debt free and in the hands of those who only want the very best for it.
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« Reply #25336 on: July 30, 2019, 12:32:29 pm »

A bit more from last Thursdays meeting.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/politics/council-leader-answers-cobblers-fans-questions-over-sixfields-redevelopment-delays-1-9015656
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« Reply #25337 on: July 30, 2019, 13:23:18 pm »

I would like the football club to retain its oringal footprint that goes out just beyond the running track and a bit of the field. That secures the future intrests of access around Sixfields.
All other land that runs from midway running track field all the way down to the saints should be shared by Cardoza,  Thomas and co, the Bushey boys and NBC boys and girls as way of bonus, should they get the deal done by tomorrow, thus allowing our club to restart debt free and in the hands of those who only want the very best for it.


Take your pick....



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« Reply #25338 on: July 30, 2019, 14:08:07 pm »

That area at the back of the east is an embarrassment to the town,KT and the council ougta be ashamed of the mess they have created between them
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« Reply #25339 on: July 30, 2019, 14:09:14 pm »

In summary, the way I see things currently:

Based on last Thursdays meeting, and what the council leader told us at it (we have not heard anything from the football club in response)..essentially, its all at a standstill.

The council's stance is, KT needs to transfer a big chunk of land back to NTFC. And build the stand. Then he can start development.

I guess the sticking points, and we can own surmise is (a) why he hasn't transferred the land back, and (b) why he hasn't built the stand. Those two actions would enable him and his investors to make a decent ROI, or at least we can assume they can.

And of course (c) he *maybe* wants written assurances, legally binding etc.

Of course, (c) wasn't part of the original agenda on taking over the club. That land became available at a later date, purchased for I believe 170k. Or could he thinks differently? And that the land purchased for 170k, was all part of the original 'package'. Maybe Vintage would elaborate on that, he's got a far better understanding on the 'detail' of all of this than myself.

Note, Im not displaying any opinion here, and if Im factually incorrect in any way I will edit it.

Its important that as much clarity is sourced on this matter so people can make up their own minds as to how they feel about things. Either way, a resolution would surely be in all parties favours, buts its absolutely integral that 'all parties' includes NTFC as well as our investors and the council.





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