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« Reply #25980 on: December 02, 2019, 19:58:21 pm »

Cardozas angry mate... that's an interesting concept, maybe your onto to something EB.
All proceeds from the land going to the club. Do we know yet precisely which land he is referring to?


EEeerr.....No!
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« Reply #25981 on: December 02, 2019, 20:14:55 pm »

Ok, bad choice of club on my part, but I was actually referring to the development of their club and facilities. They remained firmly in the dark ages in terms of facilities.

There are plenty of others too, all of which would like to have more but won't go anywhere.


You've never been to Bury have you?
If you make comparisons to help justify our clubs abject failure to grow its infrastructure to allow it to be more sustainable, please take everything into consideration.
The likes of little Bury and Rochdale  try really hard to opperate at their maximum despite having some of the worlds biggest clubs on their door steps.
We having the luxury of a large untapped catchment, just dont bother, choosing to rot away in pitiful  conditions,  relying on the paltry 5000 that will always turn up regardless. This allowing time wasting land speculators plentiful time to make their vague suggestions as to them doing things, when only interested in a land grab.
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« Reply #25982 on: December 02, 2019, 21:02:15 pm »

You've made it quite clear you dont give 2 flying ones for the clubs infrastructure and happy to see struggle to stay afloat unable to trade in L1,  why you want this, I've no idea, but your anti progress stance, shows you have an agenda, albeit a strange one?

Well.... I suppose I should View that as progress. Not being accused of loving either KT or DC.

Now I just need to work on your other unfounded accusations  Grin Grin

One day at a time though eh....  Grin
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« Reply #25983 on: December 02, 2019, 21:09:54 pm »

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ambigamy/201403/why-won-t-they-listen-reason
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« Reply #25984 on: December 02, 2019, 22:24:03 pm »


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« Reply #25985 on: December 03, 2019, 20:42:11 pm »

You've never been to Bury have you?
If you make comparisons to help justify our clubs abject failure to grow its infrastructure to allow it to be more sustainable, please take everything into consideration.
The likes of little Bury and Rochdale  try really hard to opperate at their maximum despite having some of the worlds biggest clubs on their door steps.
We having the luxury of a large untapped catchment, just dont bother, choosing to rot away in pitiful  conditions,  relying on the paltry 5000 that will always turn up regardless. This allowing time wasting land speculators plentiful time to make their vague suggestions as to them doing things, when only interested in a land grab.

......but itís KT who belittles the club according to you - he must have said some very nasty things to beat your latest missive
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« Reply #25986 on: December 03, 2019, 21:52:42 pm »

......but itís KT who belittles the club according to you - he must have said some very nasty things to beat your latest missive
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/delusional-disorder
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« Reply #25987 on: December 04, 2019, 06:31:03 am »

......but itís KT who belittles the club according to you - he must have said some very nasty things to beat your latest missive
Thomas did Say Sixfields was Ok for league 1 about a year in to his tenure,  which it wasn't, still isn't and never was.
This suggested to me at the time he was never going to do anything to improve the ground, so now after 4 years, stuck in L2, 5 plus million in debt, it's the very same thing as Cardoza waiting over a decade for his pay dirt from the land..
So with debt mounting and the ludicrous 'talks on going' or 'talks at an advanced stage' or 'interesting talks with the council' still being spewed out... Maybe its just me, but as I see it the Thomas/Cardoza transition was seamless,  two cheeks of the very same arse, by ways of making loads of promises to draw you in, then large periods of inactivity which lead on to the council blame game for not handing over unconditional pay dirt leading to vast debts mounting.. Not having heard anything for several months, can someone update me should I have missed our escape for this 20 year cycle?
I'm not sure as to what you mean by my latest missive, it's always been as above, and very much still is.
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« Reply #25988 on: December 04, 2019, 07:30:15 am »

Thomas did Say Sixfields was Ok for league 1 about a year in to his tenure,  which it wasn't, still isn't and never was.
This suggested to me at the time he was never going to do anything to improve the ground, so now after 4 years, stuck in L2, 5 plus million in debt, it's the very same thing as Cardoza waiting over a decade for his pay dirt from the land..
So with debt mounting and the ludicrous 'talks on going' or 'talks at an advanced stage' or 'interesting talks with the council' still being spewed out... Maybe its just me, but as I see it the Thomas/Cardoza transition was seamless,  two cheeks of the very same arse, by ways of making loads of promises to draw you in, then large periods of inactivity which lead on to the council blame game for not handing over unconditional pay dirt leading to vast debts mounting.. Not having heard anything for several months, can someone update me should I have missed our escape for this 20 year cycle?
I'm not sure as to what you mean by my latest missive, it's always been as above, and very much still is.

I'm probably making a mistake by dignifying this with a response, but that comparison is a bit silly. Yes, there were long delays and "excuses" from both Cardoza and Thomas but what you forget is that in the end, Cardoza got the deal he wanted from the council. Now, granted, things went south after that but that was due to the levels of integrity of the owners and their partners in crime.

Doesn't the fact that Thomas and Bower seem to be hitting the same sort of delays suggest that there are an awful lot of hoops to jump through when dealing with the council, and (with some justification) probably doubly so after they were stung the first time around?
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« Reply #25989 on: December 04, 2019, 08:08:20 am »

People sniffing around the surrounding land again .
No interest in the football club though. Others spooked by the publicity .
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« Reply #25990 on: December 04, 2019, 11:34:14 am »

Who's doing the sniffing ?
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« Reply #25991 on: December 04, 2019, 12:00:26 pm »

Who's doing the sniffing ?
Developers . No news there I know but itís live . Doubt it fits KT criteria .
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« Reply #25992 on: December 04, 2019, 12:05:28 pm »

I'm probably making a mistake by dignifying this with a response, but that comparison is a bit silly. Yes, there were long delays and "excuses" from both Cardoza and Thomas but what you forget is that in the end, Cardoza got the deal he wanted from the council. Now, granted, things went south after that but that was due to the levels of integrity of the owners and their partners in crime.

Doesn't the fact that Thomas and Bower seem to be hitting the same sort of delays suggest that there are an awful lot of hoops to jump through when dealing with the council, and (with some justification) probably doubly so after they were stung the first time around?
You say the comparison is a bit silly then virtually agree with every word.
Also you unwittingly hit the nail right on the head when you pointed out that outside speculator Cardoza got the deal he wanted, yes he did, but the football club got nothing, which happens when you give unconditional vast sums to those who have shown more interest in lining their own pockets than investing into the club.
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« Reply #25993 on: December 04, 2019, 12:08:36 pm »

Developers . No news there I know but itís live . Doubt it fits KT criteria .
It would be beneficial to the club should a third party get control of the land, it would put paid to holding out on the vain hope our club get  some good fortune.
It wont.
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« Reply #25994 on: December 04, 2019, 13:35:05 pm »

It would be beneficial to the club should a third party get control of the land, it would put paid to holding out on the vain hope our club get  some good fortune.
It wont.
The land , the club , the debt and the east stand come together .
Itís an interesting concept that the land could be sold as a separate concern to the club with the proviso the East Stand is completed and the debt is cleared .
I have no idea if that is feasible .
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« Reply #25995 on: December 04, 2019, 13:48:26 pm »

You say the comparison is a bit silly then virtually agree with every word.
For the record, I didn't agree with a word of it. You were drawing comparisons between the former and current incumbents and were rather crudely inferring the similarities between the pattern we've seen with both were due to both regimes' willingness to screw the club/council out of every penny they could. I was merely pointing out that there's a certain commonality there that isn't either the previous or current owner.

Also you unwittingly hit the nail right on the head when you pointed out that outside speculator Cardoza got the deal he wanted, yes he did, but the football club got nothing, which happens when you give unconditional vast sums to those who have shown more interest in lining their own pockets than investing into the club.
The football club got nothing because of the dishonesty of a number of parties. I've yet to see anything that suggests KT and DB are dishonest. Evasive, yes, dishonest, no.
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« Reply #25996 on: December 04, 2019, 15:06:45 pm »

You say the comparison is a bit silly then virtually agree with every word.
Also you unwittingly hit the nail right on the head when you pointed out that outside speculator Cardoza got the deal he wanted, yes he did, but the football club got nothing, which happens when you give unconditional vast sums to those who have shown more interest in lining their own pockets than investing into the club.

The blame for that lies solely at the council's door or maybe to certain parties within the council who were very pally with the Cardozas. So you can understand the council making a stand with the new owner and taking things slowly.
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« Reply #25997 on: December 04, 2019, 15:07:43 pm »

For the record, I didn't agree with a word of it. You were drawing comparisons between the former and current incumbents and were rather crudely inferring the similarities between the pattern we've seen with both were due to both regimes' willingness to screw the club/council out of every penny they could. I was merely pointing out that there's a certain commonality there that isn't either the previous or current owner.
The football club got nothing because of the dishonesty of a number of parties. I've yet to see anything that suggests KT and DB are dishonest. Evasive, yes, dishonest, no.
No one is suggesting dishonesty, but maybe the ethical reasoning behind anyone who takes over a community asset to extract large personal gains, make vague unconditional promises that offer no substance as to what they intend to do, then allow many years to pass  with the club still mothballed in an unsustainable infrastructure that causes vast debt to build against it.
Just for the record, that could be either of the past owners to date.
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« Reply #25998 on: December 04, 2019, 15:15:24 pm »

The blame for that lies solely at the council's door or maybe to certain parties within the council who were very pally with the Cardozas. So you can understand the council making a stand with the new owner and taking things slowly.

I believe its that he has offered nothing to the towns football club or its supporters to warrant the council giving him the time of day and not because of previous incumbents who hung around at our club hoping for a huge pay out.
I very grateful that they are now more astute.
They need to hold out and only offer the football club  the benefits from the land it stands on solely for the use of the club and not passers by on the make.
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« Reply #25999 on: December 04, 2019, 15:44:13 pm »

I believe its that he has offered nothing to the towns football club or its supporters to warrant the council giving him the time of day and not because of previous incumbents who hung around at our club hoping for a huge pay out.
I very grateful that they are now more astute.
They need to hold out and only offer the football club  the benefits from the land it stands on solely for the use of the club and not passers by on the make.

That's the problem with your argument, it's what you believe. It's not based on any facts or evidence.
I would hope the Council is now more astute, if you can't learn the lessons of giving away £10.25m then there is no hope!
I would think that every fan in the ground (or on the hill) looks at that East Stand at least once a game and wishes it were finished/different. So if you simply said that you wish KT would do something or sell up then everyone would agree instead of arguing with you.
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