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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #25980 on: December 09, 2019, 05:47:00 am »

Don't get me wrong... I'm not laying the blame completely at the Trusts door.

What I will say, is that I have met with all of the clubs chairman going back for 25-30 odd years. KT, in my opinion, is by a country mile the most honest that I have personally encountered. Everything I have asked him he has been up front about. I’m not surprised now, and have never been about the direction he has taken since coming in, even though I might not agree with all of it.

His tight lipped stance probably hasn't done him many favours, but I can’t see that changing. He is entrepreneurial, and most of that ilk struggle to recognise the collateral damage their single mindedness can cause..

Unlike previous owners, he is very protected and respected by the staff at NTFC.



How can you say he is the most up front and then mention his 'tight lipped stance'. Doesn't equate and measuring him against Cardoza takes the biscuit!
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« Reply #25981 on: December 09, 2019, 09:19:43 am »

Is it the difference between private discussions between two individuals (open and honest) and public statements about ongoing and future strategy (tight lipped, guarded)?
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« Reply #25982 on: December 09, 2019, 09:37:00 am »

What the f are you talking about now? I’m quite happy for you as a lifelong supporter to initiate this process. I have to say given you previously expressed bold predictions and confidence you seem a tad reluctant? Could it be that deep down you believe that your own rhetoric is a crock of sh1t, I think you do don’t you?
Its taken you years to realise a community football club is like no other business, its primary sources of income come from the Supporters,  local businesses in sponsorship, tv rights and earnings through affiliation to the football league. 
So basically it should be self sufficient in holding it's own at the level it should be, for us that is competing as equals in L1..
No one needs to find vast sums to achieve this and the only reason we're held back is by our owners urgency for land and in doing so alienating the club from its community and therefore any potential investment.
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« Reply #25983 on: December 09, 2019, 10:31:35 am »

How can you say he is the most up front and then mention his 'tight lipped stance'. Doesn't equate and measuring him against Cardoza takes the biscuit!

Couple of things. I said personally I find him the most open and honest. His tight lipped stance is around responding to the wider fan base. Unlike previous chairman/owners he has resisted the temptation to respond in a knee jerk fashion to things. I didn't mention Cardoza in my post. Although he will fit into owners over the time frame I used. So the comparison was a broader comparison, not just Cardoza.

At the end of the day it's a personal opinion.
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« Reply #25984 on: December 09, 2019, 11:07:10 am »

Its taken you years to realise a community football club is like no other business, its primary sources of income come from the Supporters,  local businesses in sponsorship, tv rights and earnings through affiliation to the football league. 
So basically it should be self sufficient in holding it's own at the level it should be, for us that is competing as equals in L1..
No one needs to find vast sums to achieve this and the only reason we're held back is by our owners urgency for land and in doing so alienating the club from its community and therefore any potential investment.



How many years is it going to take you to realise NTFC is not a community football club, it is a business like any other with customers i.e. the supporters and other revenue streams?
You have also failed to answer my previous question to you, but there is no surprise in that.
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« Reply #25985 on: December 09, 2019, 11:50:10 am »


How many years is it going to take you to realise NTFC is not a community football club, it is a business like any other with customers i.e. the supporters and other revenue streams.
You have also failed to answer my previous question to you, but there is no surprise in that.

If you're asking for facts, you've no chance.  Wink
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« Reply #25986 on: December 09, 2019, 13:01:00 pm »


How many years is it going to take you to realise NTFC is not a community football club, it is a business like any other with customers i.e. the supporters and other revenue streams.
You have also failed to answer my previous question to you, but there is no surprise in that.
Northampton town, like Saints Rugby and the Steelbacks are very much community clubs, that are very much an asset if run as one.
15000 rugby fans packed out the pubs and hotels in the town and st James over the weekend,  so a well run community club pays big dividends back into the local economy.
This is very unlike go it alone Cobblers facilitating land for outsiders whilst scratching around on the bones of their arse hoping for some never to appear unconditional crumbs of good fortune for the speculators...
So youre right in as much as NTFC are currently not being promoted as a club for the catchment of Northampton.
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« Reply #25987 on: December 09, 2019, 13:07:46 pm »

Northampton town, like Saints Rugby and the Steelbacks are very much community clubs, that are very much an asset if run as one.
15000 rugby fans packed out the pubs and hotels in the town and st James over the weekend,  so a well run community club pays big dividends back into the local economy.
This is very unlike go it alone Cobblers facilitating land for outsiders whilst scratching around on the bones of their arse hoping for some never to appear unconditional crumbs of good fortune for the speculators...
So youre right in as much as NTFC are currently not being promoted as a club for the catchment of Northampton.

You've been watching too many politicians avoiding answering the questions that have been asked...
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« Reply #25988 on: December 09, 2019, 13:55:00 pm »

Its taken you years to realise a community football club is like no other business, its primary sources of income come from the Supporters,  local businesses in sponsorship, tv rights and earnings through affiliation to the football league. 
So basically it should be self sufficient in holding it's own at the level it should be, for us that is competing as equals in L1..
No one needs to find vast sums to achieve this and the only reason we're held back is by our owners urgency for land and in doing so alienating the club from its community and therefore any potential investment.

Nope, still completely confused by the logic?
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« Reply #25989 on: December 09, 2019, 14:33:40 pm »

Its taken you years to realise a community football club is like no other business, its primary sources of income come from the Supporters,  local businesses in sponsorship, tv rights and earnings through affiliation to the football league. 
So basically it should be self sufficient in holding it's own at the level it should be, for us that is competing as equals in L1..
No one needs to find vast sums to achieve this

There is no reason that NTFC can't be run on a break even budget, it was under Cardoza for a couple of years and he was taking a good salary on top of the other staffing costs.
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« Reply #25990 on: December 09, 2019, 15:00:17 pm »

There is no reason that NTFC can't be run on a break even budget, it was under Cardoza for a couple of years and he was taking a good salary on top of the other staffing costs.

Does anyone "in the know" have ballpark figures for what a break even budget would be for an average L2 and then L1 club?

I am genuinely interested in what numbers are involved here, and whether our current income streams versus what we could get from the existing facilities if better average gates were achieved versus Beds "redeveloped" facilities could achieve.

All subjective, I guess?

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« Reply #25991 on: December 09, 2019, 15:11:40 pm »

Does anyone "in the know" have ballpark figures for what a break even budget would be for an average L2 and then L1 club?

I am genuinely interested in what numbers are involved here, and whether our current income streams versus what we could get from the existing facilities if better average gates were achieved versus Beds "redeveloped" facilities could achieve.
All subjective, I guess?
I think the average gate that was needed back then was around 5000
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« Reply #25992 on: December 09, 2019, 16:04:43 pm »

Does anyone "in the know" have ballpark figures for what a break even budget would be for an average L2 and then L1 club?

I am genuinely interested in what numbers are involved here, and whether our current income streams versus what we could get from the existing facilities if better average gates were achieved versus Beds "redeveloped" facilities could achieve.

All subjective, I guess?


our tiny ground capacity costs the club over £300,000 in lost gate revenues in an average L1 season, so until we address capacity, breaking even with our bootlaces tied together is all we can hope for.
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« Reply #25993 on: December 09, 2019, 16:12:15 pm »

I think the average gate that was needed back then was around 5000
Correct Barton it was 5000, but to sustain L1 we would need 7000 on a regular basis
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« Reply #25994 on: December 09, 2019, 16:21:10 pm »

Correct Barton it was 5000, but to sustain L1 we would need 7000 on a regular basis
I think we are quite capable of getting 7000 if we were in League 1 and Sixfields ………………………….

   Over to you Beds !
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« Reply #25995 on: December 09, 2019, 16:34:35 pm »

LOL Hammy, how much do you get paid to be KT fanboy on this forum??

Trotting out he has been honest bulls*** - so he privately told you that he wasn't going to develop the East stand, he wasn't paying the Trust the £10k back, that he isn't acting in the clubs best interest and assume he told you they DID receive some Chinese money??? If so then yep he has been very honest and truthful with you.


 
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« Reply #25996 on: December 09, 2019, 16:49:34 pm »

It is about time KT gives supporters a Christmas present by telling us what he is going to do AND WHEN!!!!

Now his silence, apart from repeated comments of 'making good progress with the Council', is getting beyond a joke and is taking the p*ss out of loyal Cobblers fans!

Over to KT.
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« Reply #25997 on: December 09, 2019, 17:04:25 pm »

I think we are quite capable of getting 7000 if we were in League 1 and Sixfields ………………………….

   Over to you Beds !

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« Reply #25998 on: December 09, 2019, 17:05:45 pm »

Northampton town, like Saints Rugby and the Steelbacks are very much community clubs, that are very much an asset if run as one.
15000 rugby fans packed out the pubs and hotels in the town and st James over the weekend,  so a well run community club pays big dividends back into the local economy.
This is very unlike go it alone Cobblers facilitating land for outsiders whilst scratching around on the bones of their arse hoping for some never to appear unconditional crumbs of good fortune for the speculators...
So youre right in as much as NTFC are currently not being promoted as a club for the catchment of Northampton.

Still no answers, just your usual repeated bullshít
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« Reply #25999 on: December 09, 2019, 17:07:03 pm »

our tiny ground capacity costs the club over £300,000 in lost gate revenues in an average L1 season, so until we address capacity, breaking even with our bootlaces tied together is all we can hope for.

More figures from your árse and still no answers.
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