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« Reply #26400 on: January 12, 2020, 15:18:52 pm »

MC, I wouldnít say it is idealistic, rather it may come about by necessity.  I think the worst case scenario is if there was a financial crisis and the club was bought out of Administration, has points deducted and players leave. It would be return to go. Plainly awful. 

Better that that supporters get their ducks in a row now and plan properly for the future, identifying those in the local business community who would be willing to participate and play an activate part in such a project.  When I say supporters I mean the Trust or a similar constituted body of committed people because nothing happens without hard work and dedication to the task.

On the financial side I readily accept it is a major challenge.  I am assuming that the current owners would want rid and will sell for a nominal amount and letís put aside for the moment the development land. I would hope that local businesses would get involved with money/support and not on unacceptable terms but none has been asked and so no-one knows.  If local businesses are uninterested it certainly becomes that much harder but other clubs like Exeter, which has no debt, have dealt with this and are doing well.  I recognise that the 100% model has its limitations and the Exeter representatives were very open in telling the Trust that League 1 has to be their ceiling based on their current model.  North of the border Motherwell and Hearts have community ownership schemes in place.  Motherwell has a very similar supporter base in numbers to our own but also have the Glasgow giants on their doorstep. With such competition it canít be easy but they are managing.  We have no competition in the locality unless Leicester City are drawing support away in numbers. I donít know.   I have always stated a strong preference for the so-called hybrid but the devil, financially and legally, would be in the detail.

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« Reply #26401 on: January 12, 2020, 16:26:56 pm »

Just curious but do the club charge NBC/Veolia rent on the Sixfields recycling centre and also receive a rental fee when the fair pitches up at the North Car Park?
 Additionally as a hotel was part of plans at various times and locations what would prevent the small car park next to the Walter Tull being a convenient site where the land remediation would be less of an issue than the bottom part of the combined sight?

 I was always convinced if I won the euromillions Iíd buy the club and go crazy on the building but realistically Iíd probably sponsor a player or Adam Moreton.

 
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« Reply #26402 on: January 12, 2020, 17:33:19 pm »

Apparently all of us who don't agree with the 12 year old keyboard warrior Beds and his cohorts are the KT supporters.
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« Reply #26403 on: January 12, 2020, 17:39:11 pm »

Whether you are happy with how the East Stand situation has been handled, I still come back to the same issue. What is the point in spending millions increasing the capacity of a ground we canít currently get close to filling, or are likely to fill in our current league position. Who in their right mind would spend that kind of money without any prospect of an ROI? Please donít come back with the examples of Peterborough, Luton and all the other examples. There are equally as many failures. The world is chock a block full of people who spend ridiculous figures on schemes that are complete and utter nonsense, it doesnít make it right though. People donít want to look at this from a financial perspective because it hinders aspirations and agendas, yet it is the only thing that matters. and donít think that spending that sort of money doesnít come at a risk either. There is a world of difference between wanting gates of 10,000 plus and having to get that figure to survive. The thing that annoys me is that I know as fact that most of those on here that are telling others what to do with their money would fill their pants and run for the hills if they had a few million and were asked to spend it in this way, and rightly so. The financial argument for developing the ground isnít there at this point in time. Be disappointed with the owners for the way they have handled this, fair enough. The fact remains they have still spent 5 million, thats what concerns me about them. At least they have spent it trying to improve the squad, which may just create a need for development? As I also said recently if you really want to exert pressure or create a momentum to depose the current owners then thatís the right of any supporter, but what comes next? Because unless there is a concrete plan to take the club to where your aspirations are whatís the point? Instability rarely leads to progress, so whatís the plan chaps, KT out? If so and thatís your position fine, but who and what comes next and what financial support do they bring to enable us to improve upon what we have now? And to be clear what we have now are no creditors currently at the door and owners who have spent millions trying to improve the performance and quality of the squad on the pitch. The suggestions for development that have been put forward on here are almost without exception nothing more than the incoherent ramblings of a demented lunatic. They wouldnít get past the first hurdle of satisfying the credit check of an even half credible construction company, and that is fact by the way. Please god someone come up with something viable and constructive as an alternative, because without it if the current owners walk the most likely senario by far is we go backwards? All of us to a supporter probably have the same thoughts about the Cardozas, but when they pulled the plug what position were we in then? All I remember is us being hours from oblivion, so why are some convinced this time it will be different? All those that wanted Cardoza out were proved to be fully vindicated it seems? However it doesnít change the fact that we stared into the abyss as a result? You see my point, if you want change then what specifically are we changing to, and how do you appease someone like me to garner support? Whilst I may be in the minority on this thread, I am probably not in the minority generally, and without a proposal that garners genuine support all this is nonsense.
Think spare capacity and being able to maximise on the bigger league and cup games, whilst established in L1...
That was a massive post to show you fail to understand the basic needs of our football club and showing you still fail to grasp the difference between a community football club and a specific manufacturing or service providing businesses...
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« Reply #26404 on: January 12, 2020, 18:01:25 pm »

Whilst most would agree that a fully redeveloped stadium with people flocking to it from our vast catchment area playing football consistently at a higher level you seem to miss that it has to be financially viable to secure the future and not put it at greater risk.

Chicken and egg maybe but itís always easier to spend other peopleís money.
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« Reply #26405 on: January 12, 2020, 18:10:03 pm »

See above Zen on my thoughts. We have spent a lifetime wishing for a sugar daddy but none has arrived. Time for a change of direction across Leagues 1 & 2.
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« Reply #26406 on: January 12, 2020, 18:32:27 pm »

I read all of them but rarely post these days due to the circuitous nature of all of it.
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Want ownership that benefits club, community and is financially responsible and stable.
Want ownership that is open and transparent. I like Andy Holt at Accrington.
Want to see us playing at a higher level.
Want to see us playing in a stadium fit for higher level football with the ability to host crowds that will be from a range of ages, be disability friendly and be a wall of noise once now and again.
Want to see attractive attacking football. (Not the opposition)
Want to see us beating the likes of boro on a regular basis ( off the pitch is fine too!)

Want others to sort it all out and take the risks and speculation to do this.

Iíve spent over 30 years watching mostly in the vain hope this will happen. (Not trying to compete with people who have been going longer/more games)

Iíll keep paying my money in the meantime and try and drag non regular folks along




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« Reply #26407 on: January 12, 2020, 18:36:36 pm »

TFAMH asks the question, and as if by magic ... Grin

I gave an answer which is something you seem to be completely unable to do, or is afraid to do because you will look a right tŪt in front of you other keyboard warrior girlfriends?
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« Reply #26408 on: January 12, 2020, 19:21:51 pm »

Whilst most would agree that a fully redeveloped stadium with people flocking to it from our vast catchment area playing football consistently at a higher level you seem to miss that it has to be financially viable to secure the future and not put it at greater risk.

Chicken and egg maybe but itís always easier to spend other peopleís money.
Spend the money of Northampton folk, ntfc fans, its businesses and well wishers,  get Thomas to keep his money and get out..
We always look for an excuse as to do nothing and greatly exaggerate the costs and implications as being unattainable but over look the sobering fact that we're the only club in the top 5 divisions to never have improved our infrastructure to benefit our club these past 20 years!
Coincidentally the time we've been subjected to land grabbers mithering our council for free hand out!
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« Reply #26409 on: January 12, 2020, 19:40:19 pm »

Get the well wishers, Northampton folk (not current fans already paying) and businesses to the table then.

Theyíve stayed away so far so please work the magic needed.

People just do nothing
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« Reply #26410 on: January 12, 2020, 20:04:59 pm »

Just curious but do the club charge NBC/Veolia rent on the Sixfields recycling centre and also receive a rental fee when the fair pitches up at the North Car Park?
 Additionally as a hotel was part of plans at various times and locations what would prevent the small car park next to the Walter Tull being a convenient site where the land remediation would be less of an issue than the bottom part of the combined sight?

 I was always convinced if I won the euromillions I’d buy the club and go crazy on the building but realistically I’d probably sponsor a player or Adam Moreton.

 
Not the clubs land. The car parks were/are owned by English Partnerships I think and the £3 a car or however much covers the rent the club pays them I think.
As for the tip, well, it was the councils land to start with so they probably kept that bit. Struggling to remember if it was there pre-1994. Have a feeling it was actually
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« Reply #26411 on: January 12, 2020, 20:14:09 pm »

My arse. Yes, my arse could do a better job of projecting this club forward. There is huge potential within this town/county to move the club forward. All we see on a daily basis is more people, more building, more traffic, more rubbish, more burgers, more roads, more bloody everything. Except at Sixfields where we see stasis. Vermin. Energy, drive, ambition, call it what you like but the negativity and personal greed of our owners mean they can't even be arsed (yes, a big fat cheeky arse) to make any effort to improve on what we have. A rotating dildo would achieve more than these gimps. We need shot of them pronto. We need simple, honest drive to move things on. Get the bleeding stand finished and then let's take the next step. It ain't rocket science, it is mere bricks and mortar. A complete arse could do it.
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« Reply #26412 on: January 12, 2020, 20:23:45 pm »

Not the clubs land. The car parks were/are owned by English Partnerships I think and the £3 a car or however much covers the rent the club pays them I think.
As for the tip, well, it was the councils land to start with so they probably kept that bit. Struggling to remember if it was there pre-1994. Have a feeling it was actually

English Partnerships no longer exist and became the Homes and Communities Agency some time ago. They as a Gov body then signed over ownership inclusive of all the other tracts of land to NBC who then signed over the leases to CDNL etc etc. The tip and side car park were clearly marked on the maps showing extent of included land on original plans showing Sixfields footprint and then the secondary CDNL/First Land deal footprint making the total site outline before all the shenanigans.
(I donít think Iíve ever used ďshenanigans ď in a sentence before)
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« Reply #26413 on: January 12, 2020, 20:49:34 pm »

We always look for an excuse as to do nothing and greatly exaggerate the costs and implications as being unattainable but over look the sobering fact that we're the only club in the top 5 divisions to never have improved our infrastructure to benefit our club these past 20 years!

Fratton Park?
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« Reply #26414 on: January 12, 2020, 20:59:55 pm »


We always look for an excuse as to do nothing and greatly exaggerate the costs and implications as being unattainable but over look the sobering fact that we're the only club in the top 5 divisions to never have improved our infrastructure to benefit our club these past 20 years!

Roots Hall?

Anyone else fancy joining in Iím a bit bored?
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« Reply #26415 on: January 12, 2020, 21:16:13 pm »

Roots Hall?

Anyone else fancy joining in Iím a bit bored?

In recent years the club opened a new ticket office and club shop, replaced the old style turnstiles with modern electronic ones and extended executive accommodation at the rear of the east stand. A new digital scoreboard was also added to the north stand roof in November 2012.
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« Reply #26416 on: January 12, 2020, 21:18:30 pm »

Think spare capacity and being able to maximise on the bigger league and cup games, whilst established in L1...
That was a massive post to show you fail to understand the basic needs of our football club and showing you still fail to grasp the difference between a community football club and a specific manufacturing or service providing businesses...
This quiz has gone international, my mates just texted the Memorial Ground. Is it me or has the quiz master got his facts wrong again?
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« Reply #26417 on: January 12, 2020, 21:19:05 pm »

In recent years the club opened a new ticket office and club shop, replaced the old style turnstiles with modern electronic ones and extended executive accommodation at the rear of the east stand. A new digital scoreboard was also added to the north stand roof in November 2012.

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« Reply #26418 on: January 12, 2020, 21:19:58 pm »

Fratton Park?

On 6 March 2019, Portsmouth Football Club revealed that improvements to the South Stand had begun with an estimated completion date scheduled before the start of the 2019-2020 season. The work on the South Stand included new exterior cladding, a new roof, new guttering, new lighting (including emergency lighting) and replacing structural steelwork within the South Stand's structure.[21]

On 21 May 2019, Portsmouth applied for planning permission to construct a new, larger camera gantry to the roof of the South Stand, along with eight sets of roof-mounted floodlight clusters.[22] The new gantry is hoped to be in place for the 2020-21 season.[23]

On 9 July 2019, a video released by Portsmouth's media department showed the first of ten sets of rooftop mounted floodlights being fitted to the new roof of the South Stand.[24]

By Tuesday 6 August 2019, the work to improve the South Stand roof, cladding and rooftop floodlights were completed in time for Fratton Park's first competitive match for the 2019-20 season, the First Round of the League Cup against Birmingham City, an evening fixture in which Portsmouth won 3-0.[25][26] This was the first evening game played without any light from Fratton Park's iconic four corner floodlight pylon towers since their **** in 1962.


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« Reply #26419 on: January 12, 2020, 21:24:37 pm »

On 6 March 2019, Portsmouth Football Club revealed that improvements to the South Stand had begun with an estimated completion date scheduled before the start of the 2019-2020 season. The work on the South Stand included new exterior cladding, a new roof, new guttering, new lighting (including emergency lighting) and replacing structural steelwork within the South Stand's structure.[21]

On 21 May 2019, Portsmouth applied for planning permission to construct a new, larger camera gantry to the roof of the South Stand, along with eight sets of roof-mounted floodlight clusters.[22] The new gantry is hoped to be in place for the 2020-21 season.[23]

On 9 July 2019, a video released by Portsmouth's media department showed the first of ten sets of rooftop mounted floodlights being fitted to the new roof of the South Stand.[24]

By Tuesday 6 August 2019, the work to improve the South Stand roof, cladding and rooftop floodlights were completed in time for Fratton Park's first competitive match for the 2019-20 season, the First Round of the League Cup against Birmingham City, an evening fixture in which Portsmouth won 3-0.[25][26] This was the first evening game played without any light from Fratton Park's iconic four corner floodlight pylon towers since their **** in 1962.



Your taking the pi55? Better discount the Memorial Ground as well because they painted the bog doors apparently?
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