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« Reply #26420 on: January 12, 2020, 21:31:34 pm »

Your taking the pi55? Better discount the Memorial Ground as well because they painted the big doors apparently?

'Improved infrastructure' is what he said. Are you saying they haven't? You really have it in for him don't you? You can only grow if you are willing to expand. Do you remember how they used to bind the feet of japanese women? You, sir are a foot-binder. Pied retricis. Oh dear. Cor blimey. Crikey.
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« Reply #26421 on: January 12, 2020, 21:39:49 pm »

'Improved infrastructure' is what he said. Are you saying they haven't? You really have it in for him don't you? You can only grow if you are willing to expand. Do you remember how they used to bind the feet of japanese women? You, sir are a foot-binder. Pied retricis. Oh dear. Cor blimey. Crikey.
In that case what about the installation of the electronic scoreboards at Sixfields. What about the very basic fit out of the East Stand to allow it to be used? Exactly, ridiculous. A bit like including floodlights and camera gantries into the equation? Apologies about your friends feet though.
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« Reply #26422 on: January 12, 2020, 21:47:02 pm »

In recent years the club opened a new ticket office and club shop, replaced the old style turnstiles with modern electronic ones and extended executive accommodation at the rear of the east stand. A new digital scoreboard was also added to the north stand roof in November 2012.

Hang on you’ve included the scoreboard at Roots Hall so by definition we have redeveloped after all? Your mate with the bad feet will be delighted, and will be able to attend regularly again. Might have to carry him in though?
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« Reply #26423 on: January 12, 2020, 22:34:44 pm »

Get the well wishers, Northampton folk (not current fans already paying) and businesses to the table then.

They’ve stayed away so far so please work the magic needed.

People just do nothing
With the Cardoza/Thomas regimes,  keeping all and sundry at arms length to protect their land grab, no one is going to do anything anytime, whilst these lot are grabbing land!
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« Reply #26424 on: January 13, 2020, 09:37:35 am »

Hang on you’ve included the scoreboard at Roots Hall so by definition we have redeveloped after all? Your mate with the bad feet will be delighted, and will be able to attend regularly again. Might have to carry him in though?

I don't know when you last came over to experience the delights of Sixfields but there has been a distinct lack of investment by both Cardoza and Thomas on the place. Whilst DC was splashing out on the likes of Josh Low, he didn't bother nipping to B&Q to give it a lick of paint. I'm sure basic M&R has been carried out but I can remember issues with water boilers in the fans toilets rumbling on for months. We had a few new seats, a big telly and a changing room swap around. I think the best maintained element at Sixfields is the pitch, thanks to some great ground staff.
Maybe because it was built as a low spec community stadium but no one seems very keen on trying to upgrade it, in fact they've had a good go at knocking it down.  Grin
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« Reply #26425 on: January 13, 2020, 22:59:15 pm »

Incase anyone hasn't seen this...

Trust news update: 13th Jan 2020

http://ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-news-update-january-2020

Welcome to new board member Bob Clarke

New Trust board member Bob Clarke - of Duston, Northampton - attended his first meeting at the start of the month.

Bob is a season-ticket holder at Sixfields and is a life member of Northampton Town Supporters Trust.

Bob has extensive experience of and expertise in the world of business and we wish him a happy and fulfilling time on the board.

The trust board going into the New Year is as follows:- Andy Roberts (chairman), Roger Averill (vice-chairman), Trina Smith (treasurer), Stuart Taylor (membership), Mick Ford (Community Trust rep), Cheryl Byrne, Kevin Simons (co-opted), Garry Harris, Shane Webster (co-opted), Keith Buckby, Kevin O'Brien, Barry Collins, Bob Clarke.

Helen Hickman (board secretary).

The next board meeting will be held on Wednesday 5 February - any Trust member is welcome to attend as a guest but should make a formal application to Helen Hickman via email ntfc_trust@outlook.com


Website

The new NTFC Supporters Ltd website, with a forum section created to discuss Trust topics, goes live later this month. Media release to follow shortly.
 

Exeter City visit

Andy Roberts, Helen Hickman and Trina Smith were guests of Exeter City FC for the Cobblers visit at the beginning of December.

The trust guests were given a tour of Exeter's St James Park stadium, a glowing reflection of a 100 per cent community-owned club that works so hard on behalf of its supporters.

We would like to publicly thank Elaine Davis, Nick Hawker and the other Trust officials for their generous hospitality and for making the visit so special.

We look forward to welcoming four members of the Grecians Trust to Sixfields next month when we sponsor the home match with Exeter.
 

Meeting with NTFC

The Trust is hoping for a meeting with NTFC officials within the next few weeks to learn more about the development opportunities at Sixfields. We will let you know once we have a meeting arranged, or otherwise.



New Year Raffle

The annual New Year Raffle will be drawn in Carr's Bar shortly after the end of the home game with Morecambe this coming Saturday.


East stand development

The board received an update on the status of the east stand develoopment on the back of a Freedom of Information application to Northampton Borough Council. A media release will follow shortly.
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« Reply #26426 on: January 14, 2020, 10:58:26 am »

"East stand development

The board received an update on the status of the east stand develoopment on the back of a Freedom of Information application to Northampton Borough Council. A media release will follow shortly."


Ooh....can't wait!
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« Reply #26427 on: January 14, 2020, 13:30:38 pm »

Incase anyone hasn't seen this...

Trust news update: 13th Jan 2020

http://ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-news-update-january-2020

Welcome to new board member Bob Clarke

New Trust board member Bob Clarke - of Duston, Northampton - attended his first meeting at the start of the month.

Bob is a season-ticket holder at Sixfields and is a life member of Northampton Town Supporters Trust.

Bob has extensive experience of and expertise in the world of business and we wish him a happy and fulfilling time on the board.

The trust board going into the New Year is as follows:- Andy Roberts (chairman), Roger Averill (vice-chairman), Trina Smith (treasurer), Stuart Taylor (membership), Mick Ford (Community Trust rep), Cheryl Byrne, Kevin Simons (co-opted), Garry Harris, Shane Webster (co-opted), Keith Buckby, Kevin O'Brien, Barry Collins, Bob Clarke.

Helen Hickman (board secretary).

The next board meeting will be held on Wednesday 5 February - any Trust member is welcome to attend as a guest but should make a formal application to Helen Hickman via email ntfc_trust@outlook.com


Website

The new NTFC Supporters Ltd website, with a forum section created to discuss Trust topics, goes live later this month. Media release to follow shortly.
 

Exeter City visit

Andy Roberts, Helen Hickman and Trina Smith were guests of Exeter City FC for the Cobblers visit at the beginning of December.

The trust guests were given a tour of Exeter's St James Park stadium, a glowing reflection of a 100 per cent community-owned club that works so hard on behalf of its supporters.

We would like to publicly thank Elaine Davis, Nick Hawker and the other Trust officials for their generous hospitality and for making the visit so special.

We look forward to welcoming four members of the Grecians Trust to Sixfields next month when we sponsor the home match with Exeter.
 

Meeting with NTFC

The Trust is hoping for a meeting with NTFC officials within the next few weeks to learn more about the development opportunities at Sixfields. We will let you know once we have a meeting arranged, or otherwise.



New Year Raffle

The annual New Year Raffle will be drawn in Carr's Bar shortly after the end of the home game with Morecambe this coming Saturday.


East stand development

The board received an update on the status of the east stand develoopment on the back of a Freedom of Information application to Northampton Borough Council. A media release will follow shortly.


Thanks Memy
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« Reply #26428 on: January 15, 2020, 22:36:25 pm »

The lack of re-development and the limited capacity we have for fans and corporate guests is being exposed again for the FA Cup clash with Derby. What do people think we could have sold for this game had we had a bigger ground? I reckon another 1,500 Derby fans and another 2,000 home fans so up to 11,000. I've always felt we need a capacity of between 10-12,000 to maximise income on games like this and give ourselves a chance of realising our potential of sustained League One and a push for the Championship. If the floating fan enjoys a game like this some will become regulars.
Of course, it's how do you fund it and get a return on your investment in a reasonable timescale. And that is why it doesn't happen. I know this argument has been done to death on here but this game highlights our shortcomings.
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« Reply #26429 on: January 15, 2020, 23:00:58 pm »

I would have thought that adding a tier on the two ends wouldn't incur huge costs, and would get us close to 10,000?
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« Reply #26430 on: January 16, 2020, 09:50:58 am »

The lack of re-development and the limited capacity we have for fans and corporate guests is being exposed again for the FA Cup clash with Derby. What do people think we could have sold for this game had we had a bigger ground? I reckon another 1,500 Derby fans and another 2,000 home fans so up to 11,000. I've always felt we need a capacity of between 10-12,000 to maximise income on games like this and give ourselves a chance of realising our potential of sustained League One and a push for the Championship. If the floating fan enjoys a game like this some will become regulars.
Of course, it's how do you fund it and get a return on your investment in a reasonable timescale. And that is why it doesn't happen. I know this argument has been done to death on here but this game highlights our shortcomings.


There is no real value in more seats at virtually every ground in the country. If we spent a couple of million quid solely on capacity at the moment, it would probably take about 20 odd years to recoup it through gate receipts. I would defy any person to show me any club model that could survive past ten minutes on a high capacity ground alone. Realistically speaking the object at this time remains the same. Get the East Stand built to as best standard we can, then pack it full of stuff that that generates revenue 365 days a year. Then as things progress look at options for other stands. 

Whilst gate receipts are important, for most clubs at a higher level they wouldn't hardly need to fill a single seat.
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« Reply #26431 on: January 16, 2020, 13:15:46 pm »

I wonder what percentage of our turnover is gate receipts / match day income? I know most top clubs it’s a relatively small amount when you factor in all their other income particularly from Tv. I’d imagine at our level it’s considerable. So being able to maximise that is critical, however where do you get the finances to do it (other than selling off some land).
I’m sure when the stadium was built it was stated that the two ends could be increased at relatively lower costs due to how it was constructed etc. It’s not just seats though, it’s other potential sales, food, drink etc.
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« Reply #26432 on: January 16, 2020, 13:39:44 pm »

I wonder what percentage of our turnover is gate receipts / match day income? I know most top clubs it’s a relatively small amount when you factor in all their other income particularly from Tv. I’d imagine at our level it’s considerable. So being able to maximise that is critical, however where do you get the finances to do it (other than selling off some land).
I’m sure when the stadium was built it was stated that the two ends could be increased at relatively lower costs due to how it was constructed etc. It’s not just seats though, it’s other potential sales, food, drink etc.

Not sure, but this is a good piece from August 2018 that includes Leagues 1, 2 and the National League further down the piece.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

Quite a few Premier League clubs do not need to charge fans for attendance based on their income from other sources.
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« Reply #26433 on: January 16, 2020, 14:03:17 pm »

Just as a very crude comparison when talking about increasing attendance figures, the FA Cup Run has brought in over £650k now in additional revenue (before ticket sales for the games are taking into consideration)

To make that on matchday revenue we would have needed an additional 1500 fans through the turnstile for every one of our 23 league games this season.

I reckon that we get around £600k in revenue through season tickets (average price £250 x 2500), and around £700k through matchday tickets (2000 x average £15 x 23 games) other than S/T. So taking that it would be around a third of the clubs yearly income comes from ticket sales. Another third from the TV revenues and solidarity payments, with the final third through sponsorship and other revenues.
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« Reply #26434 on: January 16, 2020, 18:24:35 pm »

There is no real value in more seats at virtually every ground in the country. If we spent a couple of million quid solely on capacity at the moment, it would probably take about 20 odd years to recoup it through gate receipts. I would defy any person to show me any club model that could survive past ten minutes on a high capacity ground alone. Realistically speaking the object at this time remains the same. Get the East Stand built to as best standard we can, then pack it full of stuff that that generates revenue 365 days a year. Then as things progress look at options for other stands. 

Whilst gate receipts are important, for most clubs at a higher level they wouldn't hardly need to fill a single seat.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1968457-why-stadiums-are-increasingly-crucial-to-football-clubs-commercial-strategies
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« Reply #26435 on: January 16, 2020, 18:43:30 pm »


You’ve got to build billion pound stadiums to fall into that league. Even then it is the every day commercial value of the stadium, opposed to match day seats.

I always think of the golf saying “drive for show, putt for dough”.

In football terms, that would definitely translate to “seats for show, everyday revenue for dough”.
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« Reply #26436 on: January 16, 2020, 19:24:49 pm »

Interesting read for those who can be bothered.
https://www.footballbenchmark.com/documents/files/public/blueprint-successful-stadium-development.pdf
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« Reply #26437 on: January 16, 2020, 20:27:04 pm »

Thanks. Interesting reading.
When you see the level of detail in the various discussion points, regarding styles of stadium, c factors etc and all the many many additional considerations it shows the vast complexity of achieving a good stadium.

Then on Saturday I’ll look at the carbuncle across the pitch.
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« Reply #26438 on: January 16, 2020, 21:03:40 pm »

When are the Trust likely to release their statement I wonder ?
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« Reply #26439 on: January 16, 2020, 22:09:53 pm »

No need to over complicate this with guesstimates. The link is an interview on Australian radio with Dr Rob Wilson of Hallum University, Sheffield who is described as one of Britain’s top football finance analysts. An impartial opinion from an expert that should be considered in conjunction with the fact that our current owners have run up a debt of 5 million. A simple, short and sweet moment of clarity regarding the b0llocks that gets posted on here. https://omny.fm/shows/cameron-reddin/how-to-kill-a-134-year-old-football-club-the-death
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