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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #26600 on: March 11, 2020, 10:34:04 am »

Can anyone work out what the proposed "land swap" was?  Which land is currently used by Northamptonshire County Council?

Was Kelvin looking to dump the contaminated land on the Council for some "cleaner land" which could be developed upon more easily?
Only assumption is possibly the Waterside development where the gas tower used to be. Thats been stalling for years as well but think its been approved recently. 
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« Reply #26601 on: March 11, 2020, 10:54:47 am »

This is highly embarrassing for the football club .
It highlights that everyone is simply being strung along .
Why should the council ever do the football club any favours at any time ever again ?
Just finish the stand for the live of God and move on !!
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« Reply #26602 on: March 11, 2020, 11:16:09 am »

This is highly embarrassing for the football club .
It highlights that everyone is simply being strung along .
Why should the council ever do the football club any favours at any time ever again ?
Just finish the stand for the live of God and move on !!

The whole thing is embarrassing for both parties, but the club do seem to have produced documentary evidence proving that the ball is currently in the council's court. This rather undermines the credibility of what Hadland and Larratt are saying, doesn't it?
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« Reply #26603 on: March 11, 2020, 11:31:02 am »

Read this too last night and didnt think there was anything new in there. Council saying ground can be completed and must be before discussing anything else. Club saying doesnt make sense to do the stand without the whole development package.
Still the men in suits bicker whilst the fans suffer.

We have the "El Classico" of a Mexican Stand-Off ...
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« Reply #26604 on: March 11, 2020, 13:59:37 pm »

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/march/club_statement/

Remarkable that people are lapping up the words of Cllr Hadland.

If you cast your mind back about 10 years or so, he was one of the major players in the council when Cardoza got the Trust to organise a march on the guildhall to protest about the council's own inaction on the East Stand public loan etc*

Fast forwards to the present day, we all know how it turned out, so I would take Cllr Hadland's comments with a dollop of salt.

*I'm sure people will remember that day - it was when we beat Sc***horpe 2-1 with B Johnson's last minute winner to delay their promotion party

The march was not organised by the trust, they didn't want it in their name. And Cardoza did not ask anyone to organise the march, I did it off my own back
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« Reply #26605 on: March 11, 2020, 14:25:24 pm »

The whole thing is embarrassing for both parties, but the club do seem to have produced documentary evidence proving that the ball is currently in the council's court. This rather undermines the credibility of what Hadland and Larratt are saying, doesn't it?
You would have thought that serving councillors would be kept in the loop by their CEO, surely that's part of his job ?
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« Reply #26606 on: March 11, 2020, 15:12:58 pm »

This is highly embarrassing for the football club .
It highlights that everyone is simply being strung along .
Why should the council ever do the football club any favours at any time ever again ?
Just finish the stand for the live of God and move on !!

Has the club ever done anything to upset you? They can't do anything to make you happy can they? Read the letter then make a further comment.
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« Reply #26607 on: March 11, 2020, 16:26:17 pm »

Ok, I've read the letter......and what does it tell us?

It certainly doesn't tell us that the stand needs to be finished before anything else, be it a land swap, hotel, warehouse etc is considered.

But....it doesn't tell us a lot at all. It indicates that "the club" are looking to purchase the freehold of the land. Hence the current valuations.

They always talk about "the land" but i'm still none the wiser who controls what. What land was transferred to the club under the CDNL deal.....just the small bit behind the stand or is the whole parcel now controlled by the club?

Notice that I say "controlled"....because the Club statement refers to land OWNED by the football club, and the Council statement refers to land LEASED to the club. There is a difference.

We don't know what or where the land swap referred to.

The issue is that the Council have long said that nothing would be considered until the stand was finished, yet the club have never seemed to be headed that way. The Deputy Leader of the Council seems to be saying something at odds with the Chief Executive of the Council.

Unfortunately it has got to the stage now where nobody will believe anything either party says until the construction vehicles and materials turn up on site!

Who will blink first? What happens if neither do? Well, I think we have the answer to that already....the impasse remains and nothing happens.

The fun will really start when we see what "completing the stand" really means. Adding a few boxes and some toilets might be considered enough to "complete" that monstrosity! Remember Cardozas plans which saw spectator seats hidden behind boxes? I guess that could mean "completed"........
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« Reply #26608 on: March 11, 2020, 16:36:35 pm »

So what, Grange, would you like to see done with it? Serious question, not a snide remark.

This is what I keep coming back to, it's a badly flawed design with absolutely no scope for increasing capacity and it's going to look crap whatever is done to it, isn't it?

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« Reply #26609 on: March 11, 2020, 16:53:08 pm »

Has the club ever done anything to upset you? They can't do anything to make you happy can they? Read the letter then make a further comment.
Thanks for the patronising comment but clearly I have read the letter .
I would suggest the CEO of the council is aware of the circumstances and that it is the football club that is at fault . I repeat, why should the council bend over backwards for the football club ?
The stand needs completing by the football club full stop .
Get on with it .
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« Reply #26610 on: March 11, 2020, 17:13:10 pm »

Can anyone work out what the proposed "land swap" was?  Which land is currently used by Northamptonshire County Council?

Was Kelvin looking to dump the contaminated land on the Council for some "cleaner land" which could be developed upon more easily?
Would that land be the recycling centre. the CDNL land includes that and the North Car Park
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« Reply #26611 on: March 11, 2020, 17:21:59 pm »

So what, Grange, would you like to see done with it? Serious question, not a snide remark.

This is what I keep coming back to, it's a badly flawed design with absolutely no scope for increasing capacity and it's going to look crap whatever is done to it, isn't it?



No snide remark inference taken!

What would I like to see done with it? In an ideal world, knock down whats there and build a proper stand utilising the available space,  i'd build the West Stand on the East side!! Then i'd alter the West Stand to incorporate the boxes. I personally remain to be convinced of the economic benefit of boxes at League 2 and League 1 level, the amount of pure profit versus the cost of installation and the cost of operating them would see them take years to pay themselves back. However, bear in mind that on a sunny day nobody in the East Stand can see whats going on as the sun is in their eyes, so i'm not sure how the corporate bigwigs would take that as the problem will be magnified by building boxes higher up over that side. Boxes would surely be more marketable if you could actually see the game?!

Any big conferencing and banqueting facilities should in my view be in a stand alone centre, like the Diamond Centre was at R&D. We have facilities in the current West Stand which are adequate for our needs, and we put the big top up if we need more!

That said, you're asking someone who doesn't really buy into the corporate thing anyway.....someone who still feels that a football cub should be about the football, rather than a vehicle for making money elsewhere.

So, what is to be done with it as it stands? Well, toilets and catering facilities for the fans would be a start.....disabled facilities like the old stand used to have by way of a raised platform, with a lift and accessibility, and a second tier of seats for the regular fans which would bring the ground capacity up to 10000.  A "standard" stand.....without boxes.
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« Reply #26612 on: March 11, 2020, 17:31:14 pm »

Would that land be the recycling centre. the CDNL land includes that and the North Car Park

Possibly.....but swap it for what?

The Council letter tells me that we are still a long way from anything actually happening.
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« Reply #26613 on: March 11, 2020, 17:47:35 pm »


So, what is to be done with it as it stands? Well, toilets and catering facilities for the fans would be a start.....disabled facilities like the old stand used to have by way of a raised platform, with a lift and accessibility, and a second tier of seats for the regular fans which would bring the ground capacity up to 10000.  A "standard" stand.....without boxes.

...............Think the development of East Stand as proposed above makes sense(realistic). Would like to see a Lounge for Supporters for pre/post match drinks. If the design could embrace more of the ends, so have a more continuous shape to the ground not add ons!  Regarding the "sun" factor - this generally occurred in Nov thru to Feb (if visible) but only to those high up in the stand.
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« Reply #26614 on: March 11, 2020, 18:14:03 pm »

...............Think the development of East Stand as proposed above makes sense(realistic). Would like to see a Lounge for Supporters for pre/post match drinks. If the design could embrace more of the ends, so have a more continuous shape to the ground not add ons!  Regarding the "sun" factor - this generally occurred in Nov thru to Feb (if visible) but only to those high up in the stand.
Fair comment.
A lounge/supporters club is an excellent idea....

And I agree, a continuous shape would be great, ideally after creating two tier stands at either end and filling in the corners.

The sun factor....with less shade, a higher roof and boxes higher than any seats previously were it confirms my thoughts that boxes would not be very attractive from a ‘viewing the game’ point of view.
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« Reply #26615 on: March 11, 2020, 18:21:57 pm »

With you all the way Grange but I don't think the structure as it is allows another tier of seats, or at least thats the impression I get from my ex Building Industry mate!

This is why I have always thought that finishing it would be throwing good money after bad.

My question to anybody out there in the construction industry is could completing it include a significant increase in capacity?

Either way the view would be obstructed by the steel columns because somebody elected to save money by not having a cantilevered roof.
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« Reply #26616 on: March 11, 2020, 18:33:53 pm »

Thanks for the patronising comment but clearly I have read the letter .
I would suggest the CEO of the council is aware of the circumstances and that it is the football club that is at fault . I repeat, why should the council bend over backwards for the football club ?
The stand needs completing by the football club full stop .
Get on with it .

Call it patronising if you wish. You come across as having a downer on the club in general with some of the comments you make. Hence my question.
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« Reply #26617 on: March 11, 2020, 18:38:38 pm »

With you all the way Grange but I don't think the structure as it is allows another tier of seats, or at least thats the impression I get from my ex Building Industry mate!

This is why I have always thought that finishing it would be throwing good money after bad.

My question to anybody out there in the construction industry is could completing it include a significant increase in capacity?

Either way the view would be obstructed by the steel columns because somebody elected to save money by not having a cantilevered roof.

With regards to adding another tier....you may be right as the framework looks a bit flimsy.......? The best thing would be to rip it down and start again.....maybe the owners know that deep down and that partly explains the lack of any progress.

As it is, simply adding 16 boxes across the top and saying "finished" will not cut it for me!! In theory the club could just put cladding up, paint some murals on and say its finished!

We all go on about "finishing the stand"..but as nobody has seen any plans which would show what the finished article would look like, how do we know what "finished" actually means?
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« Reply #26618 on: March 11, 2020, 20:31:31 pm »

As I said on FB. A couple of councillors doing a bit of dirty work for an increasingly desperate few..

They should be strung up for trying to get Harland on board.

I find it amazing that people have seen the havoc that has been played out on our once beautiful town by these incompetent fools, yet they choose to side with them when it comes to spouting the same old boll*cks.
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« Reply #26619 on: March 11, 2020, 23:12:33 pm »

I see the conversations are progressing KT, they are now using the Chron and the club website to communicate, seriously you can’t make this stuff up.  Grin Grin Grin Grin
CUT THE BS THOMAS AND FINISH THE STAND LIKE YOU PROMISED.
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