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« Reply #27580 on: September 10, 2020, 17:29:35 pm »

I'm surprised that after all those Trust bashers were having a go because the Trust didn't jump immediately and arrange a meeting, now the fact there has been a meeting there have been no posts to ask what went on! No official statement from the Club, no update from the Trust, nothing! Yet nobody is asking any questions?

Club tweeted & put this on their Facebook page on Tuesday...however, nothing from the Trust!

Northampton Town Football Club and the board of the Northampton Town Supporters Trust held a constructive meeting on Monday evening.
 
The Trust board is due to meet on Thursday to discuss, and the Club and the Trust have agreed to meet again next Monday to hopefully decide on the next steps.
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« Reply #27581 on: September 10, 2020, 17:59:25 pm »

Club tweeted & put this on their Facebook page on Tuesday...however, nothing from the Trust!

Northampton Town Football Club and the board of the Northampton Town Supporters Trust held a constructive meeting on Monday evening.
 
The Trust board is due to meet on Thursday to discuss, and the Club and the Trust have agreed to meet again next Monday to hopefully decide on the next steps.


The Trust did share the club's post, to be fair. I've not made any comment because I guess there isn't a lot to say until the Trust have discussed things and reconvened with the club. It's good that it was viewed as constructive though.
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« Reply #27582 on: September 10, 2020, 21:04:40 pm »

According to a tweet....the Trust Board are discussing the meeting tonight yes.....wait and see then!

You forgot that didnít you 😂😂😂
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« Reply #27583 on: September 10, 2020, 22:58:01 pm »

You forgot that didnít you 😂😂😂

May I suggest you go back a page in this thread and see who originally reported the tweet on this forum.......then ask yourself whether you really think i'd "forgotten that bit"....

There was no reaction on here to the club pulling out of the agreed date last Thursday and postponing until Monday.....

Nor was it reported by the Club, by the Trust board or the media. Now they've reportedly had a meeting everyone is happy it seems.....

All I was saying is there seems to be a stony silence now compared to the clamour for the Trust to set up, or at least make themselves available for the meeting in the first place. I'm not being a "mood-hoover" or anything...... Wink
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« Reply #27584 on: September 10, 2020, 23:38:05 pm »

For my part, I'm just a bit bored and will re-engage when there is actually something to talk about.
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« Reply #27585 on: September 13, 2020, 20:59:22 pm »

May I suggest you go back a page in this thread and see who originally reported the tweet on this forum.......then ask yourself whether you really think i'd "forgotten that bit"....

The trouble with asking myself anything. Is that I always seem to get the answer I want...

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« Reply #27586 on: September 15, 2020, 10:39:57 am »

Hang on, weren't the club and the Trust due to meet again yesterday? I've seen no mention of it from either party; anyone know if it went ahead?
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« Reply #27587 on: September 16, 2020, 09:48:53 am »

Hang on, weren't the club and the Trust due to meet again yesterday? I've seen no mention of it from either party; anyone know if it went ahead?

According to a facebook post in the "Shoe Army" group, the trust board are meeting again tomorrow night to decide once and for all, if they will back the owners plans or not...

I'd expect a statement from both parties after that...
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« Reply #27588 on: September 16, 2020, 09:56:41 am »

According to a facebook post in the "Shoe Army" group, the trust board are meeting again tomorrow night to decide once and for all, if they will back the owners plans or not...

I'd expect a statement from both parties after that...
If you need a meeting to decide that then the answer is probably NO.
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« Reply #27589 on: September 16, 2020, 10:26:28 am »

Are all trust members voting on whether to agree or not or is it just a few, what happens if the Trust don't agree, does it actually mean anything if the Trust don't agree? I am never clear on the relevance of the trust other than an interested party have a view, do they have more power than that? How many members have the Trust got?

No issues with the Trust just trying to understand it's importance
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« Reply #27590 on: September 16, 2020, 10:38:06 am »

According to a facebook post in the "Shoe Army" group, the trust board are meeting again tomorrow night to decide once and for all, if they will back the owners plans or not...

But that has not come from the Trust, has it ?  It's someone guess.
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« Reply #27591 on: September 16, 2020, 10:41:34 am »

Are all trust members voting on whether to agree or not or is it just a few, what happens if the Trust don't agree, does it actually mean anything if the Trust don't agree? I am never clear on the relevance of the trust other than an interested party have a view, do they have more power than that? How many members have the Trust got?

No issues with the Trust just trying to understand it's importance

Obviously its good PR for everyone to be on the same side....with a small shareholding the Trust are not relevant in that respect, but the "noise" that they can make has relevance. They obviously don't have the power to veto anything.

Lets be honest, KT and DB with their major shareholding (close to 85%) could do whatever they wanted and damn everyone else if they really wanted to.....in certain circumstances that might not look good though.
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« Reply #27592 on: September 16, 2020, 10:42:23 am »

Are all trust members voting on whether to agree or not or is it just a few, what happens if the Trust don't agree, does it actually mean anything if the Trust don't agree? I am never clear on the relevance of the trust other than an interested party have a view, do they have more power than that? How many members have the Trust got?

No issues with the Trust just trying to understand it's importance

Well, i'm a lifetime trust member but I guess that counts for nowt, as I've not been canvassed!

I guess it's just the trust board making the decision  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27593 on: September 16, 2020, 10:46:38 am »

Are all trust members voting on whether to agree or not or is it just a few, what happens if the Trust don't agree, does it actually mean anything if the Trust don't agree? I am never clear on the relevance of the trust other than an interested party have a view, do they have more power than that? How many members have the Trust got?

No issues with the Trust just trying to understand it's importance

Neither the club nor the council need the Trust to agree to anything, but at the same time it's not particularly helpful to either to have a noisy third party making derogatory statements or insinuations that get picked up by the press.

The Trust (and especially the Trust board) may amount to three fifths of f*** all in terms of the club's actual support base, but they do brand themselves as the official voice of the supporters and as such carry some significance in the eyes of the wider town populace who know nothing about the football club or its support, they just read about what's reported in the Chron. If they read a story on redevelopment and the Trust are poo-pooing it then they are likely to go "Huh, even the supporters don't want this so it can't be a good deal. Anyway, where's that £10m that came out of my taxes...?"

So while the club don't need the Trust onboard, both they and especially the council would find their lives a lot easier if they could get on with things without someone heckling from the sidelines, because what both parties do need is the support of the tax payers.

I've said before, I'm not anti-Trust, I just don't think the current board are particularly helpful a lot of the time. If I was KT I wouldn't want them on the board as I wouldn't want them having any actual say in the running of things, but I think I would offer one of their representatives (presumably Andy Roberts) some sort of non-exec type role so they could be included in meetings and have the opportunity to voice their opinions without actually having to do anything about them. Better to have them in the tent pissing out then outside the tent pissing in....
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« Reply #27594 on: September 16, 2020, 11:17:45 am »

Neither the club nor the council need the Trust to agree to anything, but at the same time it's not particularly helpful to either to have a noisy third party making derogatory statements or insinuations that get picked up by the press.

The Trust (and especially the Trust board) may amount to three fifths of f*** all in terms of the club's actual support base, but they do brand themselves as the official voice of the supporters and as such carry some significance in the eyes of the wider town populace who know nothing about the football club or its support, they just read about what's reported in the Chron. If they read a story on redevelopment and the Trust are poo-pooing it then they are likely to go "Huh, even the supporters don't want this so it can't be a good deal. Anyway, where's that £10m that came out of my taxes...?"

So while the club don't need the Trust onboard, both they and especially the council would find their lives a lot easier if they could get on with things without someone heckling from the sidelines, because what both parties do need is the support of the tax payers.

I've said before, I'm not anti-Trust, I just don't think the current board are particularly helpful a lot of the time. If I was KT I wouldn't want them on the board as I wouldn't want them having any actual say in the running of things, but I think I would offer one of their representatives (presumably Andy Roberts) some sort of non-exec type role so they could be included in meetings and have the opportunity to voice their opinions without actually having to do anything about them. Better to have them in the tent pissing out then outside the tent pissing in....
It was the European Development Fund, not directly UK tax payers money that disappeared so letís clear that one up.
Secondly the Trust are the ďvoice of the supporters ď so have a massive sway in opinion, especially at the council.
Why the fcuk do you think KT is giving them the time of day, he quite clearly despises them ?
If everyone is so concerned about the trust not representing them get involved itís not difficult.
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« Reply #27595 on: September 16, 2020, 11:27:02 am »

Neither the club nor the council need the Trust to agree to anything, but at the same time it's not particularly helpful to either to have a noisy third party making derogatory statements or insinuations that get picked up by the press.

The Trust (and especially the Trust board) may amount to three fifths of f*** all in terms of the club's actual support base, but they do brand themselves as the official voice of the supporters and as such carry some significance in the eyes of the wider town populace who know nothing about the football club Probably because they ARE the only democratic supporters group at NTFC

So while the club don't need the Trust onboard, both they and especially the council would find their lives a lot easier if they could get on with things without someone heckling from the sidelines, because what both parties do need is the support of the tax payers.From reading all the reports and statements over the years, I don't think that the reason that NTFC & NBC have not been able to "get on with things" is down to the Trust

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« Reply #27596 on: September 16, 2020, 11:43:39 am »

It was the European Development Fund, not directly UK tax payers money that disappeared so letís clear that one up. I know that and you know that, I also know enough about the situation to understand that there's a separation between our former owners and the club. Joe Public doesn't; just look at any set of comments under ANY Chron story about the redev and you'll find multiple comments along the lines of "they've already had £10m off us, why should they get anything else?"
Secondly the Trust are the ďvoice of the supporters ď so have a massive sway in opinion, especially at the council.
Why the fcuk do you think KT is giving them the time of day, he quite clearly despises them ?
If everyone is so concerned about the trust not representing them get involved itís not difficult. For the same reason I don't run for parliament. I don't want to. It doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything my MP says or does though.
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« Reply #27597 on: September 16, 2020, 11:51:30 am »

Neither the club nor the council need the Trust to agree to anything, but at the same time it's not particularly helpful to either to have a noisy third party making derogatory statements or insinuations that get picked up by the press.

The Trust (and especially the Trust board) may amount to three fifths of f*** all in terms of the club's actual support base, but they do brand themselves as the official voice of the supporters and as such carry some significance in the eyes of the wider town populace who know nothing about the football club Probably because they ARE the only democratic supporters group at NTFC

So while the club don't need the Trust onboard, both they and especially the council would find their lives a lot easier if they could get on with things without someone heckling from the sidelines, because what both parties do need is the support of the tax payers.From reading all the reports and statements over the years, I don't think that the reason that NTFC & NBC have not been able to "get on with things" is down to the Trust Agreed. But a lot of the reason things are so slow is that the council are bloody terrified of a repeat of the loan fiasco that they not only have to act with appropriate care and attention to detail this time around (and they bloody should have done last time too), they have to be seen to be doing so. This slows things down even more and having the integrity/appropriateness of the deal cast into doubt by a third party isn't exactly helpful as it makes them drag their heels even more, and probably now to the extent that a unitary authority is formed and they can dodge having to make any decision at all. I've not laid the blame for any of this directly with the Trust. I'm just saying they haven't helped and why KT appears to now be trying to get them onside.
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« Reply #27598 on: September 16, 2020, 12:17:13 pm »

I would take anyone to task who states that the Trust board is in anyway representative of the support.

It is quite fair to state that they can't hope to suggest that they represent anything more than the boards opinion on this subject. The rest is an assumption on the behalf of the Trust board. As they have have not consulted their members. That's not to say that they can't go off on any tangent should they wish in the name of the Trust.

When most people joined the Trust, it was an effective conduit for communicating the supports concerns. Even at its height, it never carried a large enough membership to state that is was representative of the support. Since its inception, it has enjoyed varying degrees of commitment from the support. But there can be no argument that the poorly attended meetings, loss of the seat on the board, and steadfast refusal to ask its members for direction, has now rendered the Trust at it's lowest ebb. There has not even been a reasonable uptake in membership for years now. I would hazard a guess that with deaths and a lack of renewals, that it has lost members. I am more than happy to be shown facts that contradict that opinion.

So my argument is simple. If the support is behind the Trust as suggested by some on here, answer these simple questions.

1. Explain the virtual lack of attendance at Trust public meetings (unlees there is a non Trust speaker) pre COVID

2. Explain the mere handful of supporters that turned up at the Moat House, for the Trusts flagship meeting on ownership models

3. Explain why even though the Trust board has not kept its wishes hidden, why this resulted in virtually no new memberships

I have said repeatedly. I am not anti the Trust. But I will plug away at this point until the cows come home. The Trust board has been an architect in its demise, by not consulting and canvassing the membership.

 
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« Reply #27599 on: September 16, 2020, 12:41:52 pm »

I would take anyone to task who states that the Trust board is in anyway representative of the support.

It is quite fair to state that they can't hope to suggest that they represent anything more than the boards opinion on this subject. The rest is an assumption on the behalf of the Trust board. As they have have not consulted their members. That's not to say that they can't go off on any tangent should they wish in the name of the Trust.

When most people joined the Trust, it was an effective conduit for communicating the supports concerns. Even at its height, it never carried a large enough membership to state that is was representative of the support. Since its inception, it has enjoyed varying degrees of commitment from the support. But there can be no argument that the poorly attended meetings, loss of the seat on the board, and steadfast refusal to ask its members for direction, has now rendered the Trust at it's lowest ebb. There has not even been a reasonable uptake in membership for years now. I would hazard a guess that with deaths and a lack of renewals, that it has lost members. I am more than happy to be shown facts that contradict that opinion.

So my argument is simple. If the support is behind the Trust as suggested by some on here, answer these simple questions.

1. Explain the virtual lack of attendance at Trust public meetings (unlees there is a non Trust speaker) pre COVID

2. Explain the mere handful of supporters that turned up at the Moat House, for the Trusts flagship meeting on ownership models

3. Explain why even though the Trust board has not kept its wishes hidden, why this resulted in virtually no new memberships

I have said repeatedly. I am not anti the Trust. But I will plug away at this point until the cows come home. The Trust board has been an architect in its demise, by not consulting and canvassing the membership.

 
All this may or may not be true but the simple fact of the matter is that the Trust are perceived as the ďvoice of the supporters ď by the people making the decisions.
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