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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #29100 on: September 09, 2021, 07:46:57 am »

Whatever the rights and wrongs or known and unknowns of the trusts arguments I take issue with their claim to be a democratic organisation when they do not canvas membership input to the stance they take.
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« Reply #29101 on: September 09, 2021, 08:04:59 am »

Whatever the rights and wrongs or known and unknowns of the trusts arguments I take issue with their claim to be a democratic organisation when they do not canvas membership input to the stance they take.
They are an elected body, not sure how much more democratic you can get.
If you don’t like what they are doing join and voice your opinions.
Personally I think they are doing a great job, keep up the good work.
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« Reply #29102 on: September 09, 2021, 08:39:16 am »

Took your advice and just looked at Rotherham Random. Apparently Tony Stewart has put in around 30 million plus and the losses are consistently considerable. Don’t deliberately want to be a kill joy but someone has to say it, how is this realistic for us at this point.

The point I am making is, how many fans would have thought on the news that the club was bankrupt that in a few years time, they would have been in a new fancy stadium heading towards the Championship? Pretty sure they would have said it was unrealistic. So whats the alternative Melly, we bump along on the whims of owners who solely want to make a profit out of land deals? 
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« Reply #29103 on: September 09, 2021, 08:47:56 am »

So Melly, in a 35+ slide presentation you only take a bit about MK?  A slide that is showing what our local rivals have achieved, showing how they are developing and moving forward.

You also talk of no substance, what did you think to NTFC's East Stand & Development Overview?  In it they state, "a lot of people have worked very hard to this point" OK great, but where is the substance? The lack of information and clarity was staggering



 

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« Reply #29104 on: September 09, 2021, 08:50:07 am »

"From the little information we have, it appears that..."

If you are starting a 'first impression' meeting with a new organisation with that preamble, your credibility has already gone.
WNC must have been stifling their giggles at the naive and amateur organisation sat before them.



Nice try Deep, thats not the impression I got !! 

What do you think WNC think of our owners and the way they have acted?
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« Reply #29105 on: September 09, 2021, 08:56:34 am »

The Trust is doing exactly what it should be doing and that is outlining the fears and concerns of folk who care about the football club. They are not professional 'trust' people because they are made up of bakers and candlestick makers. If anyone cares enough and can be bothered they are free to join and influence the efforts these people make without having digs from the outer reaches. They have shown everybody exactly what they presented to WNC which is a world apart from what the club have shown us,   nothing has been heard about the July meeting. The club is owned by a property developer, that is a fact. His aim is not to further a football team, it is to maximise his return. Once he has stripped the assets and scarpered where will NTFC be then?
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« Reply #29106 on: September 09, 2021, 08:58:46 am »

Also Melly, the old chestnut of representing their members !  Do you believe WNC are more worried that the meeting wasn't with 200 plus Trust members offering support than the fact that KT promised to build the East stand with their own funds 6 years ago but now say only if we get our money back will we build it, I don't think so.

Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors.

Problem is that the local council have been made to look like idiots at least 4 times by the owners of NTFC, you really think they are willing to run hand in hand with some of those same owners for the very limited benefit that the current proposal offers.
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« Reply #29107 on: September 09, 2021, 09:01:54 am »

The Trust is doing exactly what it should be doing and that is outlining the fears and concerns of folk who care about the football club. They are not professional 'trust' people because they are made up of bakers and candlestick makers. If anyone cares enough and can be bothered they are free to join and influence the efforts these people make without having digs from the outer reaches. They have shown everybody exactly what they presented to WNC which is a world apart from what the club have shown us,   nothing has been heard about the July meeting. The club is owned by a property developer, that is a fact. His aim is not to further a football team, it is to maximise his return. Once he has stripped the assets and scarpered where will NTFC be then?

Great post, so well put.

The really sad thing is that there are people on here who seem to take pleasure in the "facts" above

The really really sad thing is that some of those are moderators of this very board
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« Reply #29108 on: September 09, 2021, 09:02:30 am »

Nice try Deep, thats not the impression I got !! 

What do you think WNC think of our owners and the way they have acted?

Were you there?
If WNC think that they are dealing with a professional organisation from that 'meeting' preamble and content, they are obviously on the same level as The Trust.

No idea, but I would assume that the club were slightly more professional during their first meeting.
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« Reply #29109 on: September 09, 2021, 09:04:56 am »

Great post, so well put.

The really sad thing is that there are people on here who seem to take pleasure in the "facts" above

The really really sad thing is that some of those are moderators of this very board

I agree that it is sad and I take no pleasure from it, but I am offering my personal opinion from the facts, as presented by The Trust.
The fact that I am a Moderator is immaterial.
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« Reply #29110 on: September 09, 2021, 09:07:20 am »

Were you there?
If WNC think that they are dealing with a professional organisation from that 'meeting' preamble and content, they are obviously on the same level as The Trust.

No idea, but I would assume that the club were slightly more professional during their first meeting.


So were you there?  What do you mean re "preamble" and what does more professional look like?
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« Reply #29111 on: September 09, 2021, 09:11:04 am »

melly, so a better business plan is to reply on a 75 year old who lives 3500 miles, who has been to the ground about 4 times

Have you seen their business plans, cashflow forecasts?  Have you seen DB's Will?  what does it say about the future of NTFC?

What happens if and when they walk away?  You really think this is better for NTFC?  Doesn't stand up to scrutiny does it.

Fact is you, me , almost no-one has an idea or control on the future on NTFC at this stage. And you seem very happy with that, sadly

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« Reply #29112 on: September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 am »

Sorry Melly, 1 more

So who would you model NTFC on?  What can be achieved?  What should be the ambition?  What would you advise?
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« Reply #29113 on: September 09, 2021, 09:13:51 am »

Deepcut, why are you so supportive of owners over fans, just like you were with Cardoza?

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« Reply #29114 on: September 09, 2021, 09:16:58 am »

Were you there?
If WNC think that they are dealing with a professional organisation from that 'meeting' preamble and content, they are obviously on the same level as The Trust.

No idea, but I would assume that the club were slightly more professional during their first meeting.

The whole point is that the Trust is not professional, surely you gather that? Ordinary folk (many of whom are voters!) expressing their views is far more powerful than a property developer shading his aim through a local football team.
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« Reply #29115 on: September 09, 2021, 09:25:20 am »

But the presentation actually had some facts and information in, where as the "professional" NTFC overview had basically none.

Also you need to bear in mind that NTFC are on the inside, they have all the info, they know what they want to, they have all the financing, football funding, cashflow, turnover etc etc

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« Reply #29116 on: September 09, 2021, 09:30:40 am »

The whole point is that the Trust is not professional, surely you gather that? Ordinary folk (many of whom are voters!) expressing their views is far more powerful than a property developer shading his aim through a local football team.

You do love Marx type comments, ‘ordinary folk’  expressing their views against Property Developers🙃
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« Reply #29117 on: September 09, 2021, 10:05:20 am »

Sorry Melly, 1 more

So who would you model NTFC on?  What can be achieved?  What should be the ambition?  What would you advise?
It’s quite simple really Random, the difference between you and me is that your frustration at the lack of progress is slightly greater than you fear of losing the club. For me it’s the other way around. Over the last 5 or 6 years the club has lost on average around a 100 grand a month give or take. There is nothing in the proposals of the board of the Trust that give me any sort of confidence that this financial gap can be bridged should the current owners walk for a pound. God forbid we g@mble our future on some white elephant stand and a few boxes when we can’t fill the ground in the first place. We do not have the money to bank roll the club and carry out the kind of improvements in infrastructure that are being proposed. Until someone comes up with a business plan, model or call it what you will that comes even close to alleviating that concern I’m afraid I’m going to remain sceptical. Attempting to suppress my opinion and everyone else that has these concerns isn’t going to unify the support base, and until that happens these proposals ain’t going anywhere.
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« Reply #29118 on: September 09, 2021, 10:05:27 am »

You do love Marx type comments, ‘ordinary folk’  expressing their views against Property Developers🙃

You are confusing ordinary folk for the proletariat old bean. The proletariat are too busy fornicating to bother with land exploitation.
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« Reply #29119 on: September 09, 2021, 10:33:14 am »

You are confusing ordinary folk for the proletariat old bean. The proletariat are too busy fornicating to bother with land exploitation.
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You are right, silly me for assuming ordinary folk with the proletariat folk. Apologies to the shades of Karl  Marx Cool
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