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« Reply #29240 on: October 04, 2021, 07:29:15 am »

Iíll answer that one. Sixfields was initially too conservative and no one has come up with the cash to do anything about it. Forget the ground Random, as I said recently football canít fund itself through cash on the gate no matter how fancy the boxes or comfy the seats. Even the Prem clubs canít do that and rely on TV. If football is to survive and flourish at this level it has to be innovative and evolve beyond the current strategies, especially at this level. Establish revenue streams outside of football and once thatís achieved then develop. If there is money to be had then be creative otherwise it will be yet another wasted opportunity, and I donít know how many more we have. Please forget the ground, itís a red herring at this point in time.

I think I mentioned way back the stadium should never have been run by the football club, its utterly ridiculous for a "football team" to be running a "venue" at this level, the two skills sets are not co-existent. Sixfields should be owned and run independently with a management team dedicated to utilising the facility to its maximum potential, future development and making it a profitable venture. To support an entertainment venue let alone financing its future through the proceeds of a fourth division football cub is essentially nuts, as you clearly describe.

The "football club" are obviously unable to create a winning product, so why they should be running this facility? The football club really only needs a suitable venue on occasions whilst having some permanent administration accommodation. If an outside company decided to improve the stadium, the surroundings and create commercial and corporate matchday entertainment facilities, the football club would benefit through access to these but without the initial outlay, just as many companies rent office space in a building they could never afford to own or service.

It certainly does not inhibit the earning potential of the "football club" by having almost fixed costs, in fact the opposite by virtue of having these potentially better facilities, the burden of the ground separated from the football team would actually allow the club to be innovative and evolve as you mention. It does not inhibit them from accessing sponsorship, creating retail opportunities, community initiatives and so on.

There was much chin scratching from the council over the whole Sixfields area and possibly why IKEA were pushed away. When restaurants and cinemas popped up it suggested they were going with leisure, but then with DC we nearly got a housing estate and now a warehouse? Excuse me for one second. Fucking what? Unless its the new UK HQ of Amazon, Fed-Ex or the like, its just another sticking plaster over another unsightly Northampton fuck up.

Unfortunately a huge opportunity with Sixfields, the stadium and the surroundings seems to be rapidly turning into the usual Northampton dogs dinner. If they wanted warehouses why didn't they have one big one 20 odd years ago with IKEA on the side? Does Mike Ashley want the whole area for Sports Direct? Give him a call, we may as well go with chav track suit bottoms for the town, wouldn't want to spoil it.

You mentioned about the huge potential of waterside developments, Sixfields is almost afloat there is so much water around. This town and council couldn't run the ice cream van in Stoke Bruerne on a Sunday afternoon and sadly this impacts on the football club and all the suffering residents.


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« Reply #29241 on: October 04, 2021, 11:41:59 am »

The owners don't claim to represent the fans.

When have I personally said I represent the fans?

So you are happy to have owners that are only in it for their own personal gain ?

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« Reply #29242 on: October 04, 2021, 11:44:38 am »

AbsolutelyÖ.

No and thatís exactly why we are in the mess we are in

We have just been spanked by, basically a  non league club and all u can focus on is me and the Trust 😩😩
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« Reply #29243 on: October 04, 2021, 13:47:05 pm »

When have I personally said I represent the fans?

So you are happy to have owners that are only in it for their own personal gain ?



Call me old fashioned, but if an organisation purports to speak on behalf of the fanbase of a football club then the people running that organisation should, at the very least, y'know, go to some of the home games. How else are they to gauge the thoughts and the mood of the fans they claim to represent? The occasional survey comprised of loaded questions is a pretty poor substitute.

And yes. Happy is perhaps the wrong word, but I understand and accept that owners with no personal affiliation to the club are here for their own personal gain. Why else would they be here?
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« Reply #29244 on: October 04, 2021, 15:02:09 pm »

Call me old fashioned, but if an organisation purports to speak on behalf of the fanbase of a football club then the people running that organisation should, at the very least, y'know, go to some of the home games. How else are they to gauge the thoughts and the mood of the fans they claim to represent? The occasional survey comprised of loaded questions is a pretty poor substitute.

And yes. Happy is perhaps the wrong word, but I understand and accept that owners with no personal affiliation to the club are here for their own personal gain. Why else would they be here?
To jump in, if Random is a Trust board member like I believe he is then he represents me as a Trust member and I am happy for him to do so. At the same time i would not be comfortable for him or any Trust board member to claim to represent the views of fans of the club who are not Trust members, and so far as I can see that's precisely the point Random is also making.
I would add that for any existing Trust members not happy with the actions or direction of the board, they have the option of standing for election to the board themselves as a means of changing that direction or resigning their membership as they see fit.
Regards matchdays, I might be wrong on this but I think Random has recently posted that he lives outside of the UK which whilst not an absolute reason for non attendance but it goes someway to explain this.
If there is any issue here that concerns me it would be Randoms ability to be effective as a Trust board member whilst living overseas.
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« Reply #29245 on: October 04, 2021, 15:17:25 pm »

To jump in, if Random is a Trust board member like I believe he is then he represents me as a Trust member and I am happy for him to do so. At the same time i would not be comfortable for him or any Trust board member to claim to represent the views of fans of the club who are not Trust members, and so far as I can see that's precisely the point Random is also making.
I would add that for any existing Trust members not happy with the actions or direction of the board, they have the option of standing for election to the board themselves as a means of changing that direction or resigning their membership as they see fit.
Regards matchdays, I might be wrong on this but I think Random has recently posted that he lives outside of the UK which whilst not an absolute reason for non attendance but it goes someway to explain this.
If there is any issue here that concerns me it would be Randoms ability to be effective as a Trust board member whilst living overseas.

If as I believe my information is correct, Random does not live overseas and he was one of the three Trust Board members who were at the WNC meeting?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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« Reply #29246 on: October 04, 2021, 15:20:22 pm »

To jump in, if Random is a Trust board member like I believe he is then he represents me as a Trust member and I am happy for him to do so. At the same time i would not be comfortable for him or any Trust board member to claim to represent the views of fans of the club who are not Trust members, and so far as I can see that's precisely the point Random is also making.
I would add that for any existing Trust members not happy with the actions or direction of the board, they have the option of standing for election to the board themselves as a means of changing that direction or resigning their membership as they see fit.
Regards matchdays, I might be wrong on this but I think Random has recently posted that he lives outside of the UK which whilst not an absolute reason for non attendance but it goes someway to explain this.
If there is any issue here that concerns me it would be Randoms ability to be effective as a Trust board member whilst living overseas.

These overseas members of the Forum make a lot of fuss over a few things they cannot possibly influence. An exception is of course Feelgood who puts everybody off with his ongoing negative results banter.
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« Reply #29247 on: October 04, 2021, 15:30:09 pm »

If the board of the Trust have members who do not attend NTFC matches, how can they possibly represent the best interest of any supporter? Consistently berating the Club and its directors and fans who dont follow their point of view. If they cant get off their backsides to go and support the Club, they certainly cant be let loose any where near running it, or, in fact demanding that they be listened to.
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« Reply #29248 on: October 04, 2021, 15:38:29 pm »

No I donít live abroad

Again happy to be owned by someone who in 6 years has been to 5 games

I am one of 11 board members

Views on here are my own. Would u like me stop posting ??
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« Reply #29249 on: October 04, 2021, 15:40:14 pm »

If the board of the Trust have members who do not attend NTFC matches, how can they possibly represent the best interest of any supporter? Consistently berating the Club and its directors and fans who dont follow their point of view. If they cant get off their backsides to go and support the Club, they certainly cant be let loose any where near running it, or, in fact demanding that they be listened to.
So the election of a fans representative is a waste of time as KT stated they don't have to be a season ticket holder? The only specification is nomination by 2 Season Ticket holders, nothing about ever attending games.
         How ironic that you are having a dig at someone who has attended thousands of NTFC games but NEVER say a word about our owner who has attended FOUR games in the 6 years he's owned the club   Roll Eyes  Huh?
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« Reply #29250 on: October 04, 2021, 16:00:15 pm »

No I donít live abroad

Again happy to be owned by someone who in 6 years has been to 5 games

I am one of 11 board members

Views on here are my own. Would u like me stop posting ??

You're rather missing the point. Of course you are entitled to present your own views on here, or anywhere else for that matter. However, when you are as passionate as you are in ramming those views home, are we expected to believe that you put forward an entirely different and more moderate view while attending meetings on behalf of the Trust?

I can't see it myself. Your personal views may not be the official Trust line but as a member of the board they must surely feed into shaping and building the official Trust line?

The Trust claims to be the voice of the Supporters, but how can you as an individual effectively contribute to that when you've cut yourself off from them by not attending matches in person?

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« Reply #29251 on: October 04, 2021, 16:47:54 pm »

You're rather missing the point. Of course you are entitled to present your own views on here, or anywhere else for that matter. However, when you are as passionate as you are in ramming those views home, are we expected to believe that you put forward an entirely different and more moderate view while attending meetings on behalf of the Trust?

I can't see it myself. Your personal views may not be the official Trust line but as a member of the board they must surely feed into shaping and building the official Trust line?

The Trust claims to be the voice of the Supporters, but how can you as an individual effectively contribute to that when you've cut yourself off from them by not attending matches in person?



So which supporters, when and on what subjects?  I know plenty of people whose views I represent and plenty who don't and even more who simply are not interested.

I posted a few years ago that my interest in more in the potential of the club, the business side, the goals and ambitions, the infrastructure, the marketing etc etc.

I don't need to go to games to see clearly what is happening or are you saying you are not a fan unless you go to games?

You want me to post about formations, players, results etc etc, Yeah that always makes a difference to the club, why aren't you on the player committee or speaking with Brady every week so you can make a difference, afterall you watch every minute of every game.

I long past caring so much about the playing side, journeymen managers and players wheeled it on a great pre-tense of how lucky we are to get them etc etc.

BOTN & Others,  when was the last time you got excited by one of KT's signings?   Was it the one he invested in after pocketing £1m+ for Goode?




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« Reply #29252 on: October 04, 2021, 17:24:50 pm »



I long past caring so much about the playing side



And with that line, you show how disconnected you are from ~90% of the fans in the ground, because that is all they do really care about.
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« Reply #29253 on: October 04, 2021, 18:00:59 pm »

These overseas members of the Forum make a lot of fuss over a few things they cannot possibly influence. An exception is of course Feelgood who puts everybody off with his ongoing negative results banter.
Fair point. On that note IMO someone like myself can never achieve the prominence of a season ticket holder or regular attendee and itís pointless to pretend otherwise. One of the downsides of moving along with watching at ridiculous oíclock and Iím the first to admit it.
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« Reply #29254 on: October 04, 2021, 18:05:24 pm »

No and thatís exactly why we are in the mess we are in

We have just been spanked by, basically a  non league club and all u can focus on is me and the Trust 😩😩

Donít flatter yourself. Itís you who chases me on every post I make.

As for the Trust. I know itís difficult for you and the Trusty Cheerleaders to understand. I only disagree with the Trust on one point. I honestly never thought it would get their knickers in as much of a twist as it has.
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« Reply #29255 on: October 04, 2021, 18:10:38 pm »

Distance adds perspective.

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« Reply #29256 on: October 04, 2021, 19:32:17 pm »

Carton Lid, why have your brought the owners into it, I never said I supported the owners. That sums up how trust members work, " if you disagree with us you must support the owners" How wrong you all are, constantly.
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« Reply #29257 on: October 04, 2021, 19:59:52 pm »

No I donít live abroad

Again happy to be owned by someone who in 6 years has been to 5 games

I am one of 11 board members

Views on here are my own. Would u like me stop posting ??
Apologies I thought I'd read that you lived overseas.
Keep on keeping on then!
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« Reply #29258 on: October 04, 2021, 23:41:02 pm »

These overseas members of the Forum make a lot of fuss over a few things they cannot possibly influence. An exception is of course Feelgood who puts everybody off with his ongoing negative results banter.
To be honest Evers, thats not strictly true anyway. A few weeks ago as a life member I emailed the board of the Trust with my concerns regarding their engagement with the club and the Trust membership. The board then responded and invited me to a board meeting via zoom to further discuss the issues raised. Unfortunately it was impractical for me to attend for a variety of reasons. Representatives of the board were then kind enough to offer to speak with me at my convenience and this took place last Thursday and lasted around 2 hours between myself and 3 board members +1

The items raised have been well documented, as has the general position of the board by individual board members on here in a personal capacity. I would describe the meeting as a cordial and frank exchange of views, where ultimately the position of both parties remains unchanged. That being said I thought it was an extraordinary gesture on the part of those individuals to indulge and accomodate me and I was most grateful for their time. I found them polite, respectful and patient as we went through the various topics of discussion. Should you be a member and wish to be heard and get a deeper understanding of the boards general position, I would recommend you take the initiative and contact the board personally. I would certainly find it difficult to accuse them of being unwilling to engage with the membership on an individual level in future, if nothing else.

If I can find it achievable to actively engage with the board of the Trust from 10,514 miles and what was a 9 hour time difference, then there is no reason why anybody canít. In fact whilst it is not my place to speak for the board, I think it is fair to say they would actively encourage the membership to do so. Also in fairness I am not sure I did influence anything and as stated my concerns and the main points of difference remain. However, my geographical location doesnít appear to have diminished my ability to do so, particularly as the board members involved were kind enough to oblige.

With all due respect Evers, as a result it also makes a nonsense of your statement in some ways?
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« Reply #29259 on: October 05, 2021, 00:19:04 am »

Carton Lid, why have your brought the owners into it, I never said I supported the owners. That sums up how trust members work, " if you disagree with us you must support the owners" How wrong you all are, constantly.
You've never said you supported the owners, BUT, you have never criticized them and you do take every opportunity to criticize the Trust. If you were a bit more balanced with your criticism, doesn't what you said about Random "If they cant get off their backsides to go and support the Club, they certainly cant be let loose any where near running it" also apply to the owners ?   
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