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« Reply #29460 on: October 09, 2021, 17:00:24 pm »

Im genuinely trying to be constructive when I say this but you simply have to stop picking fights with people who share a different point of view to you. It is counter productive and at best achieves nothing.  IMO the Trust board should be looking at bringing the supporters together not instigating division and conflict, especially with people such as Deepcut. You might not share his point of view, but he is widely respected by many on here and his opinion is always worth listening to. What would you rather, to be surrounded by like minded people or evaluate and draw conclusions from a wide range of perspectives. Someone once said suppressing discussion doesnt solve the problem, it is the problem.

I am trying to **** bring people together and all you get some certain people is **** abuse

Where was your post to Deepcut when he **** says he wouldn't contribute 1p **** penny to anything I was involved with?Huh???

Have a **** go at him first, what you your response be?  I have **** tried to include all and The Trust have given both you and Cobblerwatch time to air your views to move forward. But no the very 1st post I moan at someone you are both on here have a **** go at me saying I should work with these people FFS. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT BE SAY OR DO THAT WOULD MAKE ONE BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO ENTRENCH IN THEIR VIEWS OF THE TRUST, THAT WOULD EVER CHANGE??

I have asked for help, your thoughts, what you want, blah **** blah, but nothing every comes back, you just sit there and **** pick holes on trying to move forward.

In the meantime we have owners who have been here 6 years and achieve absolutely **** all for us as a club, but not one single word against them or asking for better.

YES I AM **** ANNOYED.

the **** begins with F
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« Reply #29461 on: October 09, 2021, 17:10:15 pm »

Grin Grin I'm currently on The Trust bus about five miles from Hartlepool. Prior to the Pandemic I went two seasons without missing an away game, including mid-week games. All from my home 'living outside of Northampton'.
I have never met or even conversed with any of our owners, either current or previously.  Cool


Why are you on the Trust bus?  You know you are giving money to them to spend on anti-KT presentations

I was actually asking a genuine question, we are all fans, we have all gone over and above in our support for NTFC.

But it seems the more vocal supporters on here questioning the Trust, almost all live outside the County and some outside of the Country, just thought it was interesting. Perhaps its that you don't have to put up with Northampton as a whole and the lack of development around the whole town. Grin Grin


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« Reply #29462 on: October 09, 2021, 17:14:22 pm »

I am trying to **** bring people together and all you get some certain people is **** abuse

Where was your post to Deepcut when he **** says he wouldn't contribute 1p **** penny to anything I was involved with?Huh???

Have a **** go at him first, what you your response be?  I have **** tried to include all and The Trust have given both you and Cobblerwatch time to air your views to move forward. But no the very 1st post I moan at someone you are both on here have a **** go at me saying I should work with these people FFS. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT BE SAY OR DO THAT WOULD MAKE ONE BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO ENTRENCH IN THEIR VIEWS OF THE TRUST, THAT WOULD EVER CHANGE??

I have asked for help, your thoughts, what you want, blah **** blah, but nothing every comes back, you just sit there and **** pick holes on trying to move forward.

In the meantime we have owners who have been here 6 years and achieve absolutely **** all for us as a club, but not one single word against them or asking for better.

YES I AM **** ANNOYED.

the **** begins with F


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a member of our supporter's trust board.  Roll Eyes

Seriously mate, you would do well to listen to the advice Deepcut gave you. You'll get nowhere on your own. People currently don't agree with you (at least not fully). You need to get them on board. There are many ways of doing this, but none of them involve generally being abrasive, shouting people down, telling them they are wrong, talking down to them or losing your sht at them.

Timing is also important. While the rest of us were talking about the game taking place, you're on this thread starting fights... it kind of shows where your priorities are.
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« Reply #29463 on: October 09, 2021, 17:15:50 pm »

I'll have you know I've supported the team for over 40 years and a good majority of those are as a season ticket holder. I have been a member of the Trust but not any more. So, over the years I have done my fair share for the club etc.

I also contribute to this forum on a regular basis but I'm fed up of this particular thread because it goes round and round in circles, same people moaning and getting nowhere.

I do want the stand to be finished and the ground to be improved but I'm tired of false dawns.



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i wasnt questioning your commitment, I totally get why you are tired of false dawns, I and the Trust feel exactly the same.

Do you think we should wait for KT or start trying to make things happen ourself?? Hence why I was asking for feedback re Infrastructure Foundation
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« Reply #29464 on: October 09, 2021, 17:24:20 pm »

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a member of our supporter's trust board.  Roll Eyes

Seriously mate, you would do well to listen to the advice Deepcut gave you. You'll get nowhere on your own. People currently don't agree with you (at least not fully). You need to get them on board. There are many ways of doing this, but none of them involve generally being abrasive, shouting people down, telling them they are wrong, talking down to them or losing your sht at them.

Timing is also important. While the rest of us were talking about the game taking place, you're on this thread starting fights... it kind of shows where your priorities are.

Thanks BOTN, funny how you never post any to me unless you are criticising and telling me how i should be. Never any constructive comments. As i was writing i was thinking now who will be 1st to respond saying just what you said. You won - congratulations

and again it was Deepcut, just had to say no thank you not at this time, but no he had to get a dig in. Still like you, he wants to make me the scapegoat and take focus away from NTFC & the owners

Tell me BOTN, we are now 14th L2, lowest scorers, 7m in debt, squad value of 1.50 and a packet of pork scratchings, who is the real villain here. - KT or myself Huh??
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« Reply #29465 on: October 09, 2021, 17:48:43 pm »

Thanks BOTN, funny how you never post any to me unless you are criticising and telling me how i should be.

Maybe show a little more courtesy, humility and politeness in your public posts then maybe I won't feel the need to?

We had a perfectly civil exchange of views via PM the other day, so I struggle to understand why you are so volatile in public.

Not everyone that doesn't agree with you has a hidden agenda or is in KTs pocket!
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« Reply #29466 on: October 09, 2021, 18:15:31 pm »

I am trying to **** bring people together and all you get some certain people is **** abuse

Where was your post to Deepcut when he **** says he wouldn't contribute 1p **** penny to anything I was involved with?Huh???

Have a **** go at him first, what you your response be?  I have **** tried to include all and The Trust have given both you and Cobblerwatch time to air your views to move forward. But no the very 1st post I moan at someone you are both on here have a **** go at me saying I should work with these people FFS. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT BE SAY OR DO THAT WOULD MAKE ONE BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO ENTRENCH IN THEIR VIEWS OF THE TRUST, THAT WOULD EVER CHANGE??

I have asked for help, your thoughts, what you want, blah **** blah, but nothing every comes back, you just sit there and **** pick holes on trying to move forward.

In the meantime we have owners who have been here 6 years and achieve absolutely **** all for us as a club, but not one single word against them or asking for better.

YES I AM **** ANNOYED.

the **** begins with F

You are on the board of the Trust. If it were me I would take the initiative and set the standard. Its a suggestion, you dont have to listen and are perfectly entitled to continue with the current strategy.
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« Reply #29467 on: October 09, 2021, 19:13:36 pm »

Maybe show a little more courtesy, humility and politeness in your public posts then maybe I won't feel the need to?

We had a perfectly civil exchange of views via PM the other day, so I struggle to understand why you are so volatile in public.

Not everyone that doesn't agree with you has a hidden agenda or is in KTs pocket!

Thanks BOTN, I am calmer now but as politely as I can say it, may I ask you and others to extend me the same courtesy

Basically Being told that i would not **** on you if your were on fire, when all i asked is would you help us (and I mean all the fans) move forward.

Again I note it is the same people saying the same thing, every opportunity. Yes don't post anything positive or forward thinking on this thread whatsoever.

I am trying (yes I know very trying  Grin)

You have my number, why not call me Huh? 
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« Reply #29468 on: October 09, 2021, 19:52:49 pm »

Thanks BOTN, I am calmer now but as politely as I can say it, may I ask you and others to extend me the same courtesy

Basically Being told that i would not **** on you if your were on fire, when all i asked is would you help us (and I mean all the fans) move forward.

Again I note it is the same people saying the same thing, every opportunity. Yes don't post anything positive or forward thinking on this thread whatsoever.

I am trying (yes I know very trying  Grin)

You have my number, why not call me Huh? 

Random.  I think you should maybe go back and read Deepcut's last 3/4 posts on this thread that were addressed to you.  The reason being is that I think he sums up perfectly how many people feel about the supporters trust, it's board and how people like you conduct themselves when trying to put your point across.  Because everything you have typed since then misrepresents everything he said.

He was asked a direct question and answered it in an honest way and provided lots of constructive feedback.  You have taken that personally, swearing, shouting and blaming a million other things.  Maybe you can need to take a breath and look at the way you are coming across and ask yourslef why he would feel that way.  I'm sad to say I don't think he's the only one thinking it.
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« Reply #29469 on: October 09, 2021, 22:23:11 pm »

Random.  I think you should maybe go back and read Deepcut's last 3/4 posts on this thread that were addressed to you.  The reason being is that I think he sums up perfectly how many people feel about the supporters trust, it's board and how people like you conduct themselves when trying to put your point across.  Because everything you have typed since then misrepresents everything he said.

He was asked a direct question and answered it in an honest way and provided lots of constructive feedback.  You have taken that personally, swearing, shouting and blaming a million other things.  Maybe you can need to take a breath and look at the way you are coming across and ask yourslef why he would feel that way.  I'm sad to say I don't think he's the only one thinking it.

Does it really ? because all i see is the same ones attacking me and the Trust whilst our club slips slowly towards non-league.

You only attack us, yet no one word against the current state of the club and the owners although you somehow claim not to be pro-KT.

The good news is this is my last post in reply to you, BOTN and Deepcut. Please refrain from commenting on my posts, they are not aimed at you, you clearly are not interested in anything I or the Trust do or say.

To you and others, the Trust in the past have been far too passive and compliant, now they are too aggressive and vocal, we can't win with some of you.

We are clearly held far more to accountable, judged far harsher than the people who are suppose to represent the fans - the owners, the Chairman, the CEO.


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« Reply #29470 on: October 09, 2021, 22:26:56 pm »

Forget all the politics around the Trust, one question to KT; WHEN WILL THE TALKING STOP AND THE WALKING START?Huh?

a) One month

b) One year

c) NEVER

I voted Never in Feb 2016, I haven't changed my mind since. Every passing week it's clearer to see, hence why the distraction attacks on myself and The Trust.

The Trust are trying to regroup, become more relevant again and put pressure on KT to answer your question above. You could always ask for a zoom meeting, there are all the rage these days.  Grin.
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« Reply #29471 on: October 09, 2021, 22:48:31 pm »

Shut the club down. Problem solved.
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« Reply #29472 on: October 09, 2021, 23:01:30 pm »

Does it really ? because all i see is the same ones attacking me and the Trust whilst our club slips slowly towards non-league.

You only attack us, yet no one word against the current state of the club and the owners although you somehow claim not to be pro-KT.

The good news is this is my last post in reply to you, BOTN and Deepcut. Please refrain from commenting on my posts, they are not aimed at you, you clearly are not interested in anything I or the Trust do or say.

To you and others, the Trust in the past have been far too passive and compliant, now they are too aggressive and vocal, we can't win with some of you.

We are clearly held far more to accountable, judged far harsher than the people who are suppose to represent the fans - the owners, the Chairman, the CEO.

"The Haribo on sale at the club on matchdays is far too expensive."

I genuinely think you have some sort of problem.  It's like talking to a child.  I mean what adult has EVER said "HE STARTED IT".  Grin Grin

My heart sank when I heard you were on the Trust Board and within days you've well and truly lived down to all expectations.  If you are where the Trust is heading then heaven help them and us.  You probably don't need to be told but if you personally are involved in any way with an Infrastructure Foundation in the future then I also will never give that foundation a single penny.....I'm sure there are others that feel the same.

Finally I'll reply to whatever I like in the future but I will do you the courtesy of cirticising something about the club in my first sentence of any message aimed at you to make you feel more at ease and provide balance.
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« Reply #29473 on: October 10, 2021, 02:40:05 am »

Just wanted to speak to the silent majority out there, I hope you are able to see that my only concern is to make NTFC better and move us forward away from owners whose only focus is land development.

The Council believe that the Trust is relevant, and as they hold the freehold to the development land, they are the important ones.

Others will mock and try to derail any progress for whatever their own personal reasons are - our owners have had 6 long years and we are going nowhere on the pitch and nowhere off it, they have had long enough.

Either build the East stand like you said, out of your own funds, or do a deal that involves others and move on. Stand first or Infrastructure Foundation, its up to you KT / DB.

Time for action, action that involves investment, hence why I am at least trying to come up with some ideas that will move the redevelopment forward.

I am proud to be involved with the Trust and I am proud to be one of those who are looking at the Infrastructure Foundation.

I was voted supporter of the Year, I have earned and save the club tens of thousands, I have helped many many supporters on matchdays in the past etc etc etc

I want a better NTFC and I do not apologise for that, and I won't let the naysayers win.

If anyone wants to speak with me directly, to either support or complain, then please PM and i will give you my number, be very happy to talk and listen.




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« Reply #29474 on: October 10, 2021, 07:27:33 am »

I am trying to **** bring people together and all you get some certain people is **** abuse

Where was your post to Deepcut when he **** says he wouldn't contribute 1p **** penny to anything I was involved with?Huh???

Have a **** go at him first, what you your response be?  I have **** tried to include all and The Trust have given both you and Cobblerwatch time to air your views to move forward. But no the very 1st post I moan at someone you are both on here have a **** go at me saying I should work with these people FFS. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT BE SAY OR DO THAT WOULD MAKE ONE BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO ENTRENCH IN THEIR VIEWS OF THE TRUST, THAT WOULD EVER CHANGE??

I have asked for help, your thoughts, what you want, blah **** blah, but nothing every comes back, you just sit there and **** pick holes on trying to move forward.

In the meantime we have owners who have been here 6 years and achieve absolutely **** all for us as a club, but not one single word against them or asking for better.

YES I AM **** ANNOYED.

the **** begins with F

This site is a hotbed for those ntfc supporters easily befriended by fine words who show an unhealthy love for short term, over staying, land obsessed Chairman such as Cardoza/Thomas, so dont let them get to you!
No sooner had the proverbial 5hite hit the fan with Cardoza,  they instantly crawled away to reattach themselves around Thomas's sphincter.
These folk must be either promised some of the bounty or just desperate to blindly befriend these Chairman types without any thought to the damage they could do to the long term future of our football club.
Unfortunately as soon as they collectively realise the error they may have made in  befriended one who isnt really there for the good of their club, they then just front it out to the bitter end.
Again we will see all the old diehard Cardozaites now flying the bedraggled Thomasian flag to its bitter conclusion.

I have no doubt with our strong dedicated Trust,
Northampton town will recover from these past 20 years of Cardoza/Thomas stagnation  and go on to being the thriving, united club our town deserves..
Thomas can't hang around for much longer.




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« Reply #29475 on: October 10, 2021, 10:23:39 am »

Well said gentlemen, I do agree many here prefer long and well constructed sentences to a well constructed action plan.

I'm sure within The Trust, affiliates, friends, Romans and Northamptonians there are architects, engineers, procurement specialists, IT geeks, PR consultants, financial advisors (loads on here) builders, hospitality, publicans, media gurus, who else do we need?

Forget the east stand, let them continue their decade long saga and put together plans for a new north stand incorporating all the necessary facilities for the Trust and supporters. Make your list now.

Get some captivating plans out there with a positive and clear message with how to donate and contribute, you may be surprised who's out there. No one can block it and it will probably embarrass others into action when it gets to national press, "The supporters fed up with waiting so they're building a stand themselves"

Or continue to sit on your hands and argue over the owners, board members, peeling paint, land issues, the way forward forever? Fed up waiting? Do it yourself. We cant influence what happens around the stadium but we can influence the stadium itself.

I've openly said I would've donated a grand a year or more for such an initiative and I'm skint, there are many others out there in a better position than me. If we had started such a project ten years ago we would have 3m in the kitty now. Only need another 299 who feel the same as me.
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« Reply #29476 on: October 10, 2021, 11:30:19 am »



Forget the east stand, let them continue their decade long saga and put together plans for a new north stand incorporating all the necessary facilities for the Trust and supporters. Make your list now.

Get some captivating plans out there with a positive and clear message with how to donate and contribute, you may be surprised who's out there. No one can block it and it will probably embarrass others into action when it gets to national press, "The supporters fed up with waiting so they're building a stand themselves"

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« Reply #29477 on: October 10, 2021, 11:52:55 am »

Well said gentlemen, I do agree many here prefer long and well constructed sentences to a well constructed action plan.

I'm sure within The Trust, affiliates, friends, Romans and Northamptonians there are architects, engineers, procurement specialists, IT geeks, PR consultants, financial advisors (loads on here) builders, hospitality, publicans, media gurus, who else do we need?

Forget the east stand, let them continue their decade long saga and put together plans for a new north stand incorporating all the necessary facilities for the Trust and supporters. Make your list now.

Get some captivating plans out there with a positive and clear message with how to donate and contribute, you may be surprised who's out there. No one can block it and it will probably embarrass others into action when it gets to national press, "The supporters fed up with waiting so they're building a stand themselves"

Or continue to sit on your hands and argue over the owners, board members, peeling paint, land issues, the way forward forever? Fed up waiting? Do it yourself. We cant influence what happens around the stadium but we can influence the stadium itself.



I've openly said I would've donated a grand a year or more for such an initiative and I'm skint, there are many others out there in a better position than me. If we had started such a project ten years ago we would have 3m in the kitty now. Only need another 299 who feel the same as me.

Awesome post Steve. Thank you and you too 1971
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« Reply #29478 on: October 10, 2021, 12:38:19 pm »

I watched some of the Mufc v MCFC womens game yesterday on bbc1. They played the game at Leigh Stadium which has a 12k capacity. Tidy ground and just how I think that Sixfields could be like. A nice big terrace behind one goal (North) and the other stands similar heights to feel enclosed and compact.
 The game against Sutton we were a bit late arriving and it was lashing down. Out of desperation for a beer we went into Carrs Bar which I often avoid and normally go in the other pubs nearby.
 The tinpot nature is summed up in this place alone. Tiny bar, slow service etc etc.  I can never quite work out why you cant have more bar staff on a modest hourly rate generating higher sales and therefore covering the cost plus profit on the increased sales. Am I missing something?

Dont doubt the Saints fans drink in the pubs on the Weedon Rd but Id have little doubt they capture the vast majority of the beer and food takings on match days where as we are the complete opposite. These same facilities are the ones that are most likely generating them income across the year for various events.
 The club did get permission for a marquee behind the north but nothing happened.

If there was a dedicated fund to rebuild the North or similar I would donate a regular amount even if only modest.  
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« Reply #29479 on: October 10, 2021, 12:48:40 pm »

There was a group set up a few months ago called "the new Hotel End" about expanding the North with facilities underneath. Now, because certain people accuse me of being anti NTFC, despite being a supporter for 60 years and a STH for 40 years, I have to stated that this is a rumour, and that the organisers of the said group approached NTFC and asked for a grant of less than a grand to get some drawings done but were turned down. Like I say this is a rumour that I heard, I cant say if it's true or not.
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