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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #29580 on: October 11, 2021, 08:22:24 am »

I thought the New Hotel End, and some of the other discussions on here were going to be fan funded?
Surely this is a great opportunity to test the fan base and start a crowd funding process to get formal drawings etc done? A venture that is part Trust funded and part Fan funded would certainly be an exciting prospect and get me interested. As stated previously, its something I would pay towards.
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« Reply #29581 on: October 11, 2021, 09:10:07 am »

I thought the New Hotel End, and some of the other discussions on here were going to be fan funded?
Surely this is a great opportunity to test the fan base and start a crowd funding process to get formal drawings etc done? A venture that is part Trust funded and part Fan funded would certainly be an exciting prospect and get me interested. As stated previously, its something I would pay towards.
I think that was the idea, but if it was as been reported, that the main beneficiaries NTFC, declined to get the ball rolling with a £900 donation, that's a strange decision. 
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« Reply #29582 on: October 11, 2021, 09:36:54 am »

I think that was the idea, but if it was as been reported, that the main beneficiaries NTFC, declined to get the ball rolling with a £900 donation, that's a strange decision. 
I thought the main beneficiaries were the fans? I share the disappointment and surprise the club didn't contribute but that's after knowing that was the plan. Honestly I thought it would all be fan funded. Things like this happen because clubs cant or wont do them, so seems strange to shelve it because the club wont support.
A project like this, that has clear and obvious benefits (although some over reach like I said before with the more extravagant festivals etc), might just be the kick up the ass the owners need to show what fans want and what benefit it can bring.
I'll chuck in £50 now if there was a crowd funding to get the feasibility completed and professional drawings.
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« Reply #29583 on: October 11, 2021, 09:49:11 am »

With all respect, if a project needed £900 (from the club) to get it going and has ultimately stopped it starting I doubt there is the appetite from anyone to make it happen.
Unless the club not donating was enough to put the individuals/Trust off. The way the landscape is now there is no way the club/Trust can work together on something of that nature.
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« Reply #29584 on: October 11, 2021, 10:25:14 am »

With all respect, if a project needed £900 (from the club) to get it going and has ultimately stopped it starting I doubt there is the appetite from anyone to make it happen.
Unless the club not donating was enough to put the individuals/Trust off. The way the landscape is now there is no way the club/Trust can work together on something of that nature.

If I was running the project and the main beneficiaries declined to invest £900 in something that could make them a lot of money I would ask myself why could this be ? Possible answers: A/ Don't think it will work ? B/ Want to be in control of all development at Sixfields ? or C/  Don't want fans involved ?
   Anyone got any better answers ?
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« Reply #29585 on: October 11, 2021, 10:28:17 am »

My guess would be A. That the cost of investment wont be paid back through fans using it. All the more reason to prove them wrong. Something that has been paid for by the fans is more likely to used by the fans.
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« Reply #29586 on: October 11, 2021, 11:52:32 am »

If I was running the project and the main beneficiaries declined to invest £900 in something that could make them a lot of money I would ask myself why could this be ? Possible answers: A/ Don't think it will work ? B/ Want to be in control of all development at Sixfields ? or C/  Don't want fans involved ?
   Anyone got any better answers ?

I doubt they put too many sums behind it but I think they’ve had enough time to demonstrate that they are not in it to ‘speculate to accumulate’, outside of the debt they’ve racked up so far running the club.
Any tangible development/improvements are probably reliant on a longer term model for the benefit of the fans, sadly by the fans.
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« Reply #29587 on: October 11, 2021, 12:02:53 pm »

I doubt they put too many sums behind it but I think they’ve had enough time to demonstrate that they are not in it to ‘speculate to accumulate’, outside of the debt they’ve racked up so far running the club.
Any tangible development/improvements are probably reliant on a longer term model for the benefit of the fans, sadly by the fans.
I know what you're saying but £900 is a very small drop in the ocean, I doubt that they didn't give them the grant because they couldn't afford the money.
They could have just made the debt £7,000,900  Smiley
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« Reply #29588 on: October 11, 2021, 16:09:51 pm »

My guess would be A. That the cost of investment wont be paid back through fans using it. All the more reason to prove them wrong. Something that has been paid for by the fans is more likely to used by the fans.
What £900, the fans were going to pay for the stand, this was the feasibility study.
I think the gesture says more about KT than the £900.
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« Reply #29589 on: October 12, 2021, 08:33:28 am »

What £900, the fans were going to pay for the stand, this was the feasibility study.
I think the gesture says more about KT than the £900.
If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
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« Reply #29590 on: October 12, 2021, 09:09:57 am »

If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
Do you know what Woody, I have absolutely no wish to shame our owner what so ever.
The trust and fans could probably spend £10k getting drawings and plans created only for the club to turn around and go thanks for that we will think about it.
There has to be buy in from the owner, it’s him that has the lease hold after all.
For what it’s worth before the L1 play off final to get into the Championship the council announced that if we win the north stand would have been extended.
I believe there are plans to extend the north as per the West Stand, the foundations are already in the ground, this was a future proofing feature of Sixfields built by BN.
So in a nutshell there are already foundations in place and plans to put on the “top tier” to match the west.
Last time I looked it’s about £1000 per seat for a stadium so the stand would cost between £1.1m and £2m depending on who built it. Back in the day Bobby McAlpine was so cheap it was ridiculous.
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« Reply #29591 on: October 12, 2021, 09:14:52 am »

If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
Look at it another way, say you needed a conservatory on your house and it was going to cost £20K, a friend said he'll build it for you if you get the drawings done, which will cost £200, why would you turn him down ? You are getting your property improved at virtually no cost to you and added value for when you sell the property.
     There is more than the £900 behind the refusal, what could be the reason ?
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« Reply #29592 on: October 12, 2021, 09:22:02 am »

Look at it another way, say you needed a conservatory on your house and it was going to cost £20K, a friend said he'll build it for you if you get the drawings done, which will cost £200, why would you turn him down ? You are getting your property improved at virtually no cost to you and added value for when you sell the property.
     There is more than the £900 behind the refusal, what could be the reason ?
Can I flip your analogy to one I think is more closely aligned.
Your builder mate tells you that building a conservatory will add value to your house and make it easier to sell when the time is right. You don't believe him. He's so confident he's right so he pays for the drawings to be done, gets his estate agent mate to value the house with and without the conservatory to prove you wrong. He then shows you. You are amazed and admit you were wrong. You then agree to getting the work done and you hug and embrace and go skipping off in to the sunset together.
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« Reply #29593 on: October 12, 2021, 09:40:36 am »

Can I flip your analogy to one I think is more closely aligned.
Your builder mate tells you that building a conservatory will add value to your house and make it easier to sell when the time is right. You don't believe him. He's so confident he's right so he pays for the drawings to be done, gets his estate agent mate to value the house with and without the conservatory to prove him wrong. He then shows you. You are amazed and admit you were wrong. You then agree to getting the work done and you hug and embrace and go skipping off in to the sunset together.
Sounds like a condom advert.
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« Reply #29594 on: October 12, 2021, 10:47:21 am »

Sounds like a condom advert.
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« Reply #29595 on: October 12, 2021, 12:24:29 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.
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« Reply #29596 on: October 12, 2021, 12:55:01 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.
So our owners refused the FANS money and chance of rebuilding the north stand improving THEIR assets because the Trust?
Are you seriously expecting people would believe your made up version of events? The trust has 700+ members we have nearly 3000 season ticket holders and regularly get the best part of 5000 home fans.
If the club embraced this project it would be a massive tick in the box for our owners fan relationship and would be seen favourably by the council.
Your bitterness and hatred of the trust is your problem but don’t make out it’s their fault the club ended the fan’s participation in trying to better the clubs infrastructure.
Quite sad really.
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« Reply #29597 on: October 12, 2021, 13:09:43 pm »

So our owners refused the FANS money and chance of rebuilding the north stand improving THEIR assets because the Trust?
Are you seriously expecting people would believe your made up version of events? The trust has 700+ members we have nearly 3000 season ticket holders and regularly get the best part of 5000 home fans.
If the club embraced this project it would be a massive tick in the box for our owners fan relationship and would be seen favourably by the council.
Your bitterness and hatred of the trust is your problem but don’t make out it’s their fault the club ended the fan’s participation in trying to better the clubs infrastructure.
Quite sad really.


He hasn't actually said that?
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« Reply #29598 on: October 12, 2021, 13:13:31 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.

I'm not sure who told you what you're spreading on here, but here are some facts.

The New Hotel End project was not a Trust-initiated project.  It started without the Trust and there was nothing to prevent it from continuing either with or without Trust involvement.  I was asked to be involved and had a couple of phone calls with one of the project leaders but was never asked to do anything.  Following a presentation to a board meeting the Trust Board agreed to contribute the money to get the ball rolling towards a vision we could hopefully all get behind (maybe even the owners - imagine that!), but WAS NEVER ASKED TO PAY IT.  We would still pay if the project was re-started.

The decision of the project organisers to put it on hold was nothing to do with the Trust or the Trust Board.  I personally see no reason why building the vision and progressing with planning could not have continued, but as I say it was not a Trust project and therefore not a decision we were involved with.  Even more so given the current poor relationship between the Trust and the owners has been significantly contributed to by their own failure to come up with any visions at all.  What better time for supporters to work together?

A very misinformed post.  
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« Reply #29599 on: October 12, 2021, 13:18:48 pm »

He hasn't actually said that?
No but he inferred it mate.
I think Keith has put that right.
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