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« Reply #29580 on: October 11, 2021, 10:28:17 am »

My guess would be A. That the cost of investment wont be paid back through fans using it. All the more reason to prove them wrong. Something that has been paid for by the fans is more likely to used by the fans.
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« Reply #29581 on: October 11, 2021, 11:52:32 am »

If I was running the project and the main beneficiaries declined to invest £900 in something that could make them a lot of money I would ask myself why could this be ? Possible answers: A/ Don't think it will work ? B/ Want to be in control of all development at Sixfields ? or C/  Don't want fans involved ?
   Anyone got any better answers ?

I doubt they put too many sums behind it but I think they’ve had enough time to demonstrate that they are not in it to ‘speculate to accumulate’, outside of the debt they’ve racked up so far running the club.
Any tangible development/improvements are probably reliant on a longer term model for the benefit of the fans, sadly by the fans.
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« Reply #29582 on: October 11, 2021, 12:02:53 pm »

I doubt they put too many sums behind it but I think they’ve had enough time to demonstrate that they are not in it to ‘speculate to accumulate’, outside of the debt they’ve racked up so far running the club.
Any tangible development/improvements are probably reliant on a longer term model for the benefit of the fans, sadly by the fans.
I know what you're saying but £900 is a very small drop in the ocean, I doubt that they didn't give them the grant because they couldn't afford the money.
They could have just made the debt £7,000,900  Smiley
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« Reply #29583 on: October 11, 2021, 16:09:51 pm »

My guess would be A. That the cost of investment wont be paid back through fans using it. All the more reason to prove them wrong. Something that has been paid for by the fans is more likely to used by the fans.
What £900, the fans were going to pay for the stand, this was the feasibility study.
I think the gesture says more about KT than the £900.
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« Reply #29584 on: October 12, 2021, 08:33:28 am »

What £900, the fans were going to pay for the stand, this was the feasibility study.
I think the gesture says more about KT than the £900.
If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
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« Reply #29585 on: October 12, 2021, 09:09:57 am »

If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
Do you know what Woody, I have absolutely no wish to shame our owner what so ever.
The trust and fans could probably spend £10k getting drawings and plans created only for the club to turn around and go thanks for that we will think about it.
There has to be buy in from the owner, it’s him that has the lease hold after all.
For what it’s worth before the L1 play off final to get into the Championship the council announced that if we win the north stand would have been extended.
I believe there are plans to extend the north as per the West Stand, the foundations are already in the ground, this was a future proofing feature of Sixfields built by BN.
So in a nutshell there are already foundations in place and plans to put on the “top tier” to match the west.
Last time I looked it’s about £1000 per seat for a stadium so the stand would cost between £1.1m and £2m depending on who built it. Back in the day Bobby McAlpine was so cheap it was ridiculous.
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« Reply #29586 on: October 12, 2021, 09:14:52 am »

If the fans are going to pay for the venture, we should pay for the venture.
The club are never going to pay for it so its a false start by asking them. The project needed to prove to the club it would work and then maybe go to the club after its up and running to maybe fund some of the more extravagant touches or pay for some integration, maybe a ticket barrier into the fan park or something like that to keep it integrated.

Several of us stated we would pay towards something tangible. This is something tangible. Its also a low amount of money so it would be a quick win to show that the fans can make a difference and fans like you can use it to shame the current owners if you so wish
Look at it another way, say you needed a conservatory on your house and it was going to cost £20K, a friend said he'll build it for you if you get the drawings done, which will cost £200, why would you turn him down ? You are getting your property improved at virtually no cost to you and added value for when you sell the property.
     There is more than the £900 behind the refusal, what could be the reason ?
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« Reply #29587 on: October 12, 2021, 09:22:02 am »

Look at it another way, say you needed a conservatory on your house and it was going to cost £20K, a friend said he'll build it for you if you get the drawings done, which will cost £200, why would you turn him down ? You are getting your property improved at virtually no cost to you and added value for when you sell the property.
     There is more than the £900 behind the refusal, what could be the reason ?
Can I flip your analogy to one I think is more closely aligned.
Your builder mate tells you that building a conservatory will add value to your house and make it easier to sell when the time is right. You don't believe him. He's so confident he's right so he pays for the drawings to be done, gets his estate agent mate to value the house with and without the conservatory to prove you wrong. He then shows you. You are amazed and admit you were wrong. You then agree to getting the work done and you hug and embrace and go skipping off in to the sunset together.
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« Reply #29588 on: October 12, 2021, 09:40:36 am »

Can I flip your analogy to one I think is more closely aligned.
Your builder mate tells you that building a conservatory will add value to your house and make it easier to sell when the time is right. You don't believe him. He's so confident he's right so he pays for the drawings to be done, gets his estate agent mate to value the house with and without the conservatory to prove him wrong. He then shows you. You are amazed and admit you were wrong. You then agree to getting the work done and you hug and embrace and go skipping off in to the sunset together.
Sounds like a condom advert.
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« Reply #29589 on: October 12, 2021, 10:47:21 am »

Sounds like a condom advert.
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« Reply #29590 on: October 12, 2021, 12:24:29 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.
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« Reply #29591 on: October 12, 2021, 12:55:01 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.
So our owners refused the FANS money and chance of rebuilding the north stand improving THEIR assets because the Trust?
Are you seriously expecting people would believe your made up version of events? The trust has 700+ members we have nearly 3000 season ticket holders and regularly get the best part of 5000 home fans.
If the club embraced this project it would be a massive tick in the box for our owners fan relationship and would be seen favourably by the council.
Your bitterness and hatred of the trust is your problem but don’t make out it’s their fault the club ended the fan’s participation in trying to better the clubs infrastructure.
Quite sad really.
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« Reply #29592 on: October 12, 2021, 13:09:43 pm »

So our owners refused the FANS money and chance of rebuilding the north stand improving THEIR assets because the Trust?
Are you seriously expecting people would believe your made up version of events? The trust has 700+ members we have nearly 3000 season ticket holders and regularly get the best part of 5000 home fans.
If the club embraced this project it would be a massive tick in the box for our owners fan relationship and would be seen favourably by the council.
Your bitterness and hatred of the trust is your problem but don’t make out it’s their fault the club ended the fan’s participation in trying to better the clubs infrastructure.
Quite sad really.


He hasn't actually said that?
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« Reply #29593 on: October 12, 2021, 13:13:31 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.

I'm not sure who told you what you're spreading on here, but here are some facts.

The New Hotel End project was not a Trust-initiated project.  It started without the Trust and there was nothing to prevent it from continuing either with or without Trust involvement.  I was asked to be involved and had a couple of phone calls with one of the project leaders but was never asked to do anything.  Following a presentation to a board meeting the Trust Board agreed to contribute the money to get the ball rolling towards a vision we could hopefully all get behind (maybe even the owners - imagine that!), but WAS NEVER ASKED TO PAY IT.  We would still pay if the project was re-started.

The decision of the project organisers to put it on hold was nothing to do with the Trust or the Trust Board.  I personally see no reason why building the vision and progressing with planning could not have continued, but as I say it was not a Trust project and therefore not a decision we were involved with.  Even more so given the current poor relationship between the Trust and the owners has been significantly contributed to by their own failure to come up with any visions at all.  What better time for supporters to work together?

A very misinformed post.  
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« Reply #29594 on: October 12, 2021, 13:18:48 pm »

He hasn't actually said that?
No but he inferred it mate.
I think Keith has put that right.
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« Reply #29595 on: October 12, 2021, 13:53:35 pm »

No but he inferred it mate.
I think Keith has put that right.

Exactly, but your initial response didn't help... Wink
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« Reply #29596 on: October 12, 2021, 14:05:48 pm »

Im looking at this outside in..

So. Its going to cost circa 1800quid to do a feasibility study or whatever you want to call it, in order to put together plans/drawings etc for this newly designed north stand/village/arena?

In order for it to then be able to go back to the club for discussions to start in terms of the legalities of it, how it would all work, would it be leased back to the club etc etc?

I was pretty excitied about this idea, the main driver of it would vouch for that. I do recall a rather vague statement about it being shelved, and since then I've had no contact/information as to the real reasons why.

Like I said. On the face of it, a real shame. I had my differences of opinions about the details of it, but those details would have been discussed in the open across the board further down the line and once the ball had got rolling. Im sure then the plans would have evolved in which ever direction had the most appeal etc, and only once consultation had occurred would the answers be known to that!

Id be surprised if it had anything to do with the club not being prepared to pay money towards these plans. TBH, I would be surprised if they were asked to. It was a fans initiative and would surely have stayed that way throughout the initial (at least) stages. I was also VERY supportive of it because ultimately it would have proven one way or t'other where we stand long term with the whole ground redevelopment thing. Are the owners up for it? Do the supporters want it? You know, a lot of questions would have been answered along the lines....

Finally, I'm struggling to see how the supporters trusts involvement in anything or otherwise, would have anything to do with it. I was still involved with the trust early summer, and I can vouch it was a totally non trust related project. Unless things changed thereafter, I cant comment on that because I don't know the answer!!
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« Reply #29597 on: October 12, 2021, 14:22:35 pm »

so the new stick to beat the Trust with is the New Hotel Project

As been clearly stated the Trust board supported the request for some funds to get some plans etc done.

After speaking with the club the project was put on hold by the organisers.

Why not ask the club or wait and speak with the club's supporters rep.

It was in the early stages of an idea, I think it was based around using the banking at the back of the North stand as an amphitheatre and hold live events etc there. sorry I don't have any more details.

I believe the club were planning a fans village in the East stand so it wasn't a priority to them.

It does show that us as fans, do want something better from our club, just we have to pull together and focus on developing a better club / stadium .

Why can no longer sit back and do nothing, waiting / expecting our owners to do it for us.

KT for me fair to him has said NTFC isn't worth developing. I suppose it doesn't make sense for him as he has no long term interest

Expect his sole focus is getting money for DB and possibly the Chinese
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« Reply #29598 on: October 12, 2021, 14:31:30 pm »

so the new stick to beat the Trust with is the New Hotel Project

As been clearly stated the Trust board supported the request for some funds to get some plans etc done.

After speaking with the club the project was put on hold by the organisers.

Why not ask the club or wait and speak with the club's supporters rep.

It was in the early stages of an idea, I think it was based around using the banking at the back of the North stand as an amphitheatre and hold live events etc there. sorry I don't have any more details.

I believe the club were planning a fans village in the East stand so it wasn't a priority to them.

It does show that us as fans, do want something better from our club, just we have to pull together and focus on developing a better club / stadium .

Why can no longer sit back and do nothing, waiting / expecting our owners to do it for us.

KT for me fair to him has said NTFC isn't worth developing. I suppose it doesn't make sense for him as he has no long term interest

Expect his sole focus is getting money for DB and possibly the Chinese
You need to read more of the posts. I think there was only 1 that possibly angled towards the Trust.
The rest if anything were anti club / disappointment to the club.
This was supposed to be a fan supported initiative but the fans (outside of the Trust) havent been given the opportunity to back it.

My hope is those involved see some of the comments on here. Confirm with the Trust they are still happy to support (which sounds like they are) and the start a crowd funding for the rest
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« Reply #29599 on: October 12, 2021, 15:11:58 pm »

You need to read more of the posts. I think there was only 1 that possibly angled towards the Trust.
The rest if anything were anti club / disappointment to the club.
This was supposed to be a fan supported initiative but the fans (outside of the Trust) havent been given the opportunity to back it.

My hope is those involved see some of the comments on here. Confirm with the Trust they are still happy to support (which sounds like they are) and the start a crowd funding for the rest
I'd quite like to hear what the organisers of this north stand project have to say for themselves and why they have placed their project on hold (,if indeed it is on hold). Not sure if you'll get an honest and frank answer from them but if they are truly independent I don't see why not?
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