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« Reply #29600 on: October 12, 2021, 13:53:35 pm »

No but he inferred it mate.
I think Keith has put that right.

Exactly, but your initial response didn't help... Wink
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« Reply #29601 on: October 12, 2021, 14:05:48 pm »

Im looking at this outside in..

So. Its going to cost circa 1800quid to do a feasibility study or whatever you want to call it, in order to put together plans/drawings etc for this newly designed north stand/village/arena?

In order for it to then be able to go back to the club for discussions to start in terms of the legalities of it, how it would all work, would it be leased back to the club etc etc?

I was pretty excitied about this idea, the main driver of it would vouch for that. I do recall a rather vague statement about it being shelved, and since then I've had no contact/information as to the real reasons why.

Like I said. On the face of it, a real shame. I had my differences of opinions about the details of it, but those details would have been discussed in the open across the board further down the line and once the ball had got rolling. Im sure then the plans would have evolved in which ever direction had the most appeal etc, and only once consultation had occurred would the answers be known to that!

Id be surprised if it had anything to do with the club not being prepared to pay money towards these plans. TBH, I would be surprised if they were asked to. It was a fans initiative and would surely have stayed that way throughout the initial (at least) stages. I was also VERY supportive of it because ultimately it would have proven one way or t'other where we stand long term with the whole ground redevelopment thing. Are the owners up for it? Do the supporters want it? You know, a lot of questions would have been answered along the lines....

Finally, I'm struggling to see how the supporters trusts involvement in anything or otherwise, would have anything to do with it. I was still involved with the trust early summer, and I can vouch it was a totally non trust related project. Unless things changed thereafter, I cant comment on that because I don't know the answer!!
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« Reply #29602 on: October 12, 2021, 14:22:35 pm »

so the new stick to beat the Trust with is the New Hotel Project

As been clearly stated the Trust board supported the request for some funds to get some plans etc done.

After speaking with the club the project was put on hold by the organisers.

Why not ask the club or wait and speak with the club's supporters rep.

It was in the early stages of an idea, I think it was based around using the banking at the back of the North stand as an amphitheatre and hold live events etc there. sorry I don't have any more details.

I believe the club were planning a fans village in the East stand so it wasn't a priority to them.

It does show that us as fans, do want something better from our club, just we have to pull together and focus on developing a better club / stadium .

Why can no longer sit back and do nothing, waiting / expecting our owners to do it for us.

KT for me fair to him has said NTFC isn't worth developing. I suppose it doesn't make sense for him as he has no long term interest

Expect his sole focus is getting money for DB and possibly the Chinese
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« Reply #29603 on: October 12, 2021, 14:31:30 pm »

so the new stick to beat the Trust with is the New Hotel Project

As been clearly stated the Trust board supported the request for some funds to get some plans etc done.

After speaking with the club the project was put on hold by the organisers.

Why not ask the club or wait and speak with the club's supporters rep.

It was in the early stages of an idea, I think it was based around using the banking at the back of the North stand as an amphitheatre and hold live events etc there. sorry I don't have any more details.

I believe the club were planning a fans village in the East stand so it wasn't a priority to them.

It does show that us as fans, do want something better from our club, just we have to pull together and focus on developing a better club / stadium .

Why can no longer sit back and do nothing, waiting / expecting our owners to do it for us.

KT for me fair to him has said NTFC isn't worth developing. I suppose it doesn't make sense for him as he has no long term interest

Expect his sole focus is getting money for DB and possibly the Chinese
You need to read more of the posts. I think there was only 1 that possibly angled towards the Trust.
The rest if anything were anti club / disappointment to the club.
This was supposed to be a fan supported initiative but the fans (outside of the Trust) havent been given the opportunity to back it.

My hope is those involved see some of the comments on here. Confirm with the Trust they are still happy to support (which sounds like they are) and the start a crowd funding for the rest
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« Reply #29604 on: October 12, 2021, 15:11:58 pm »

You need to read more of the posts. I think there was only 1 that possibly angled towards the Trust.
The rest if anything were anti club / disappointment to the club.
This was supposed to be a fan supported initiative but the fans (outside of the Trust) havent been given the opportunity to back it.

My hope is those involved see some of the comments on here. Confirm with the Trust they are still happy to support (which sounds like they are) and the start a crowd funding for the rest
I'd quite like to hear what the organisers of this north stand project have to say for themselves and why they have placed their project on hold (,if indeed it is on hold). Not sure if you'll get an honest and frank answer from them but if they are truly independent I don't see why not?
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« Reply #29605 on: October 12, 2021, 15:23:35 pm »

So our owners refused the FANS money and chance of rebuilding the north stand improving THEIR assets because the Trust?
Are you seriously expecting people would believe your made up version of events? The trust has 700+ members we have nearly 3000 season ticket holders and regularly get the best part of 5000 home fans.
If the club embraced this project it would be a massive tick in the box for our owners fan relationship and would be seen favourably by the council.
Your bitterness and hatred of the trust is your problem but don’t make out it’s their fault the club ended the fan’s participation in trying to better the clubs infrastructure.
Quite sad really.

As Deepcut rightly pointed out I didn't say that at all and I didn't even infer that.  I didn't mention anything about the owners refusing money to the fans or this being the reason if he did refuse and bear in mind that's a bif IF because you don't know that either.

I haven't made anything up I'm simply stating facts.  Keith didn't resolve this with anything he said...he simply did what you have done and said a lot of stuff that was in response to something I didn't actually say.

You are the one who was told a rumour that the club declined to partake in the project and have turned that into the club killing the project.  
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« Reply #29606 on: October 12, 2021, 15:46:18 pm »

so the new stick to beat the Trust with is the New Hotel Project

As been clearly stated the Trust board supported the request for some funds to get some plans etc done.

After speaking with the club the project was put on hold by the organisers.

Why not ask the club or wait and speak with the club's supporters rep.

It was in the early stages of an idea, I think it was based around using the banking at the back of the North stand as an amphitheatre and hold live events etc there. sorry I don't have any more details.

I believe the club were planning a fans village in the East stand so it wasn't a priority to them.

It does show that us as fans, do want something better from our club, just we have to pull together and focus on developing a better club / stadium .

Why can no longer sit back and do nothing, waiting / expecting our owners to do it for us.

KT for me fair to him has said NTFC isn't worth developing. I suppose it doesn't make sense for him as he has no long term interest

Expect his sole focus is getting money for DB and possibly the Chinese

Even if you don't read other peoples posts or opinions, can I suggest that you read your own Trust Board colleagues posts before you decide to post?
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« Reply #29607 on: October 12, 2021, 15:48:57 pm »

I'm not sure who told you what you're spreading on here, but here are some facts.

The New Hotel End project was not a Trust-initiated project.  It started without the Trust and there was nothing to prevent it from continuing either with or without Trust involvement.  I was asked to be involved and had a couple of phone calls with one of the project leaders but was never asked to do anything.  Following a presentation to a board meeting the Trust Board agreed to contribute the money to get the ball rolling towards a vision we could hopefully all get behind (maybe even the owners - imagine that!), but WAS NEVER ASKED TO PAY IT.  We would still pay if the project was re-started.

The decision of the project organisers to put it on hold was nothing to do with the Trust or the Trust Board.  I personally see no reason why building the vision and progressing with planning could not have continued, but as I say it was not a Trust project and therefore not a decision we were involved with.  Even more so given the current poor relationship between the Trust and the owners has been significantly contributed to by their own failure to come up with any visions at all.  What better time for supporters to work together?

A very misinformed post.  

Appreciate the reply Keith but you've completely misrepresented what I said and that's now being repeated by others which is unfair.  I'm not "spreading" anything.  I'm stating facts based on the events as they happened as informed by those involved.

If I'm misinformed then feel free to point of where what I have said previously is incorrect.

You should also clarify what you have said as I never stated it was a Trust initiated project and never stated the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project.  
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« Reply #29608 on: October 12, 2021, 16:01:39 pm »

I'd quite like to hear what the organisers of this north stand project have to say for themselves and why they have placed their project on hold (,if indeed it is on hold). Not sure if you'll get an honest and frank answer from them but if they are truly independent I don't see why not?

It's pretty much all in here. No idea of any updates. Could be that these things take time and Keith (quoted/misquoted as being one of the three on the working group) would know if it had moved on.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/the-new-hotel-end-cobblers-fans-launch-ambitious-project-to-create-landmark-safe-standing-end-at-sixfields-3272334

The Trust offered to pay to get it going, so seems unfair to start dragging the club into it. With the rocks that have been thrown at the club, I'm sure we would have heard about it if they'd blocked it.
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« Reply #29609 on: October 12, 2021, 16:07:06 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.
To be fair to the Trust, someone's interpretation of what may or may not have happened post the withdrawal isnt the Trust's fault. I understand the thought process but to shelve the project because of it for me is very short sighted.
It seems the owners opinion of the Trust has been caused by an 'agenda' they have about fan ownership and some of the lines of questioning from the Trust. I would have thought that something tangible, with fan backing, that isnt the Trust would have every opportunity for successes regardless of the Trust
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« Reply #29610 on: October 12, 2021, 16:24:20 pm »

It's pretty much all in here. No idea of any updates. Could be that these things take time and Keith (quoted/misquoted as being one of the three on the working group) would know if it had moved on.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/the-new-hotel-end-cobblers-fans-launch-ambitious-project-to-create-landmark-safe-standing-end-at-sixfields-3272334

The Trust offered to pay to get it going, so seems unfair to start dragging the club into it. With the rocks that have been thrown at the club, I'm sure we would have heard about it if they'd blocked it.


One of the organisers posted on Twitter in August that they had put the project on hold as they were disappointed (can't remember the exact wording) with the Trust/club spat. That was it, blink and you would have missed it.
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« Reply #29611 on: October 12, 2021, 16:37:59 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project. 
  Posted by MC Hammer at 15.48

" I never stated it was a Trust initiated project and never stated the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project."

   So are there 2 MC Hammers on here ?

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« Reply #29612 on: October 12, 2021, 16:42:41 pm »

  Posted by MC Hammer at 15.48

" I never stated it was a Trust initiated project and never stated the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project."

   So are there 2 MC Hammers on here ?

Why is everyone looking for a fight on here all the time. Add the next sentence to the one you have quoted and it adds the context that it was the perceived environment created by the withdrawal not an actual decision by the Trust.
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« Reply #29613 on: October 12, 2021, 16:43:30 pm »

It's pretty much all in here. No idea of any updates. Could be that these things take time and Keith (quoted/misquoted as being one of the three on the working group) would know if it had moved on.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/the-new-hotel-end-cobblers-fans-launch-ambitious-project-to-create-landmark-safe-standing-end-at-sixfields-3272334

The Trust offered to pay to get it going, so seems unfair to start dragging the club into it. With the rocks that have been thrown at the club, I'm sure we would have heard about it if they'd blocked it.
Thanks CT, I had seen the release describing what had been proposed (and I applauded the idea at the time) but I hadn't seen the names involved.
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« Reply #29614 on: October 12, 2021, 16:45:20 pm »

But this all shows how its possible for 3-4 people to all interpret something that is written in black and white in different ways and why written answers are not always the right way to go and that verbal discussion is needed to add context and clarity  Wink Cool
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« Reply #29615 on: October 12, 2021, 16:47:42 pm »

But this all shows how its possible for 3-4 people to all interpret something that is written in black and white in different ways and why written answers are not always the right way to go and that verbal discussion is needed to add context and clarity  Wink Cool

You mean like a Zoom call? (Sorry, I'll put my wooden spoon away now.  Evil)
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« Reply #29616 on: October 12, 2021, 16:57:15 pm »

  Posted by MC Hammer at 15.48

" I never stated it was a Trust initiated project and never stated the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project."

   So are there 2 MC Hammers on here ?



Not like you to completely miss the point....actually it's very much like you.

Maybe I missed it....where did I say it was a Trust initiated project?  Where did I say the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project?

As Woody so eloquently explained my point wa smade quite clear if you care to quote more than just one sentence.  And even that one sentence doesn't say what you seem to think it does.  That's not a me problem that's one for you to resolve in your own head.
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« Reply #29617 on: October 12, 2021, 16:59:45 pm »

But this all shows how its possible for 3-4 people to all interpret something that is written in black and white in different ways and why written answers are not always the right way to go and that verbal discussion is needed to add context and clarity  Wink Cool
I think misinterpretation of the written word, of which I'm not good, is more down to bad grammar.
Innit.
Why else do you think people put their names in writing (or not) to anything?
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« Reply #29618 on: October 12, 2021, 17:01:46 pm »

As Deepcut rightly pointed out I didn't say that at all and I didn't even infer that.  I didn't mention anything about the owners refusing money to the fans or this being the reason if he did refuse and bear in mind that's a bif IF because you don't know that either.

I haven't made anything up I'm simply stating facts.  Keith didn't resolve this with anything he said...he simply did what you have done and said a lot of stuff that was in response to something I didn't actually say.

You are the one who was told a rumour that the club declined to partake in the project and have turned that into the club killing the project.  
Do you read your own posts? You said it was the trust involvement that curtailed the initiative.
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« Reply #29619 on: October 12, 2021, 17:02:40 pm »

Not like you to completely miss the point....actually it's very much like you.

Maybe I missed it....where did I say it was a Trust initiated project?  Where did I say the Trust Board made or was involved in the decision not to go forward with the project?

As Woody so eloquently explained my point wa smade quite clear if you care to quote more than just one sentence.  And even that one sentence doesn't say what you seem to think it does.  That's not a me problem that's one for you to resolve in your own head.
So McH, if you aren't in any way blaming the Trust, why did you mention them in the first place?
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