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« Reply #29620 on: October 12, 2021, 17:09:37 pm »

But this all shows how its possible for 3-4 people to all interpret something that is written in black and white in different ways and why written answers are not always the right way to go and that verbal discussion is needed to add context and clarity  Wink Cool

...and in my experience if it is written in the Chron black and white you can't assume it is fact.
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« Reply #29621 on: October 12, 2021, 17:11:35 pm »

...and in my experience if it is written in the Chron black and white you can't assume it is fact.
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« Reply #29622 on: October 12, 2021, 17:14:33 pm »

Sadly from what I've been told the Supporters Trust or more accurately the Suporters Trust Board effectively killed the New Hotel End project.  By announcing their withdrawal of support for the East Stand development and essentially severing the remaining relationship they had with the club and it's owners they created an environment that realistically no fan led project was likely to succeed in.  Particuarly one that the Supporters Trust were backing.

They also never contributed the £900 or covered the whole amount required for the drawings of this fan led project.

Quite sad really that the first tangible supporter led project in years got "shelved" in this way.

Ok sorry so you framed it by saying what you have been told.

So you are saying that owners will cut their nose off to spite their face ?
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« Reply #29623 on: October 12, 2021, 17:16:00 pm »

So McH, if you aren't in any way blaming the Trust, why did you mention them in the first place?


Exactly, especially when you and your friends have to defend the statement and say everyone but them misread it
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« Reply #29624 on: October 12, 2021, 17:18:53 pm »

Even if you don't read other peoples posts or opinions, can I suggest that you read your own Trust Board colleagues posts before you decide to post?

why what did i say incorrect now DC?

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« Reply #29625 on: October 12, 2021, 18:54:50 pm »

So McH, if you aren't in any way blaming the Trust, why did you mention them in the first place?

I am blaming the Supporters Trust Board.  Go back and read my original post.

As I made clear the Supporters Trust Board (note the distinction here between board and membership) withdrew support for the East Stand Development deal.  This was done two days before the club were due to present plans at their open day. 

Meanwhile you have supporter led New Hotel End Project (backed by the Trust NOTE THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACKED AND LED OR INITIATED FOR THE HARD OF READING) had been gaining some publicity and traction and was even positively mentioned by the club in the info released on it's open day.  Both the club and the project leaders had publicly said there had been positive discussions and would work together to ensure both projects could compliment each other.

The Trust Board withdrawal of their backing inevitably signalled the end of the relationship between Club and Trust.  Some back and forth with open letters from staff and Trust and hey presto relationship not only dead but well and truly buried.

New Hotel End Project announce in that environment and with the relationship between Trust and Club as it is they were shelving plans.

You'd have to ask them why the didn't just press on regardless but think about this logically.  The main partners in this project would have been the supporters and the club.  How can that project progress in an enviromment where the main supporters representative group, who as I mentioned are backing this project verbally and financially, and the club don't even have a relationship.

A final point and here's what I find most interesting with what has happened with this discussion and maybe why people need to address their own critical thinking about what they get told (Woody and Deepcut excluded).  I make a post blaming the Trust based on a factual sequence of events that actually occurred and get misquoted, misrepresented, called a liar, trust hater etc.  Where were all these questions when a RUMOUR is posted and starts to be presented as fact essentially saying KT killed the project when he wouldn't stump up £900?
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« Reply #29626 on: October 12, 2021, 19:46:33 pm »

I am blaming the Supporters Trust Board.  Go back and read my original post.

As I made clear the Supporters Trust Board (note the distinction here between board and membership) withdrew support for the East Stand Development deal.  This was done two days before the club were due to present plans at their open day. 

Meanwhile you have supporter led New Hotel End Project (backed by the Trust NOTE THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACKED AND LED OR INITIATED FOR THE HARD OF READING) had been gaining some publicity and traction and was even positively mentioned by the club in the info released on it's open day.  Both the club and the project leaders had publicly said there had been positive discussions and would work together to ensure both projects could compliment each other.

The Trust Board withdrawal of their backing inevitably signalled the end of the relationship between Club and Trust.  Some back and forth with open letters from staff and Trust and hey presto relationship not only dead but well and truly buried.

New Hotel End Project announce in that environment and with the relationship between Trust and Club as it is they were shelving plans.

You'd have to ask them why the didn't just press on regardless but think about this logically.  The main partners in this project would have been the supporters and the club.  How can that project progress in an enviromment where the main supporters representative group, who as I mentioned are backing this project verbally and financially, and the club don't even have a relationship.

A final point and here's what I find most interesting with what has happened with this discussion and maybe why people need to address their own critical thinking about what they get told (Woody and Deepcut excluded).  I make a post blaming the Trust based on a factual sequence of events that actually occurred and get misquoted, misrepresented, called a liar, trust hater etc.  Where were all these questions when a RUMOUR is posted and starts to be presented as fact essentially saying KT killed the project when he wouldn't stump up £900?
Yes, but are you blaming them or simply explaining why the HE initiative hasn't progressed?
Do you think the Trust board deliberately withdrew their backing of the east stand so that the new HE north stand couldn't go ahead.
I don't think you are but its coming across like that, you see.
 
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« Reply #29627 on: October 12, 2021, 19:49:51 pm »

Also makes you realise how dependant these alternative supporters groups are on the Trust and how little thanks they get for their support.
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« Reply #29628 on: October 12, 2021, 20:03:06 pm »

I am blaming the Supporters Trust Board.  Go back and read my original post.

As I made clear the Supporters Trust Board (note the distinction here between board and membership) withdrew support for the East Stand Development deal.  This was done two days before the club were due to present plans at their open day. 

Meanwhile you have supporter led New Hotel End Project (backed by the Trust NOTE THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACKED AND LED OR INITIATED FOR THE HARD OF READING) had been gaining some publicity and traction and was even positively mentioned by the club in the info released on it's open day.  Both the club and the project leaders had publicly said there had been positive discussions and would work together to ensure both projects could compliment each other.

The Trust Board withdrawal of their backing inevitably signalled the end of the relationship between Club and Trust.  Some back and forth with open letters from staff and Trust and hey presto relationship not only dead but well and truly buried.

New Hotel End Project announce in that environment and with the relationship between Trust and Club as it is they were shelving plans.

You'd have to ask them why the didn't just press on regardless but think about this logically.  The main partners in this project would have been the supporters and the club.  How can that project progress in an enviromment where the main supporters representative group, who as I mentioned are backing this project verbally and financially, and the club don't even have a relationship.

A final point and here's what I find most interesting with what has happened with this discussion and maybe why people need to address their own critical thinking about what they get told (Woody and Deepcut excluded).  I make a post blaming the Trust based on a factual sequence of events that actually occurred and get misquoted, misrepresented, called a liar, trust hater etc.  Where were all these questions when a RUMOUR is posted and starts to be presented as fact essentially saying KT killed the project when he wouldn't stump up £900?
The owners ended the relationship by refusing to answer questions THEY asked for and the led a shameless campaign to undermine the one true voice of Northampton fans THE TRUST.
Like most things our owners do itís turning out to be another spectacular disaster for them.
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« Reply #29629 on: October 12, 2021, 20:48:22 pm »

They might be your voice Manwork, but the Trust are certainly not my voice.
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« Reply #29630 on: October 12, 2021, 20:57:48 pm »

The owners ended the relationship by refusing to answer questions THEY asked for and the led a shameless campaign to undermine the one true voice of Northampton fans THE TRUST.
Like most things our owners do itís turning out to be another spectacular disaster for them.
The owners ended the relationship the day they took over, the trust were aware and obliged.

That much IS fact and has been acknowledged by both parties.
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« Reply #29631 on: October 12, 2021, 21:09:05 pm »

They might be your voice Manwork, but the Trust are certainly not my voice.

Is anyone your voice Tcobb or are you just irrelevant?
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« Reply #29632 on: October 12, 2021, 21:13:00 pm »

Genuine question here folks.....merging two recent themes into one question.....

If the Trust gave the money (and potentially a larger share of the money) to the new HE project and it was resurrected, and then it formed part of a possible infrastructure foundation going forward..... how many on here stand by their claims that they would not give a penny to anything that was Trust led/backed?

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« Reply #29633 on: October 12, 2021, 21:19:36 pm »

There you go Random, with idiotic people like you on the Trust board you sum up why people dont want the Trust as their voice.

Grange Park, see above as to why any Trust back project would not get a penny from me.
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« Reply #29634 on: October 12, 2021, 21:23:59 pm »

I on the other hand would only donate if the Trust were behind any such foundation.
Individual personalities don't overly interest me.
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« Reply #29635 on: October 12, 2021, 21:32:07 pm »

Genuine question here folks.....merging two recent themes into one question.....

If the Trust gave the money (and potentially a larger share of the money) to the new HE project and it was resurrected, and then it formed part of a possible infrastructure foundation going forward..... how many on here stand by their claims that they would not give a penny to anything that was Trust led/backed?



My views on this have nothing to do with the Trust.  It doesn't matter to me if a fundraising scheme was run by the Trust, the club or a third party, unless it was to save the club in the event of a financial disaster then I wouldn't contribute to it.

In my view they are a business and need to stand on their own two feet.
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« Reply #29636 on: October 12, 2021, 21:49:36 pm »

They might be your voice Manwork, but the Trust are certainly not my voice.
And thatís entirely your choice mate, but I would say we donít have any other recognised fan organisation.
I donít agree with everything they do either but on the terrible land deal the owners are trying to get the council to go for Iím right behind them.
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« Reply #29637 on: October 12, 2021, 21:57:46 pm »

Yes, but are you blaming them or simply explaining why the HE initiative hasn't progressed?BOTH
Do you think the Trust board deliberately withdrew their backing of the east stand so that the new HE north stand couldn't go ahead.NO
I don't think you are but its coming across like that, you see.YOU ARE RIGHT I'M NOT SAYING THAT

Answers in red above.

As for your following post who are these other alternative supporters groups, plural, that are dependent on the Trust?  I don't think the New Hotel End Project were.  As Keith clarified earlier they sought the Trusts backing/support which was absoloutely the right thing to do but other than a financial contribution they had no other input at that stage.  Maybe dependence was the wrong word to use?  Partnership/support?

As for praise I saw plenty of people including myself praise the Trust for backing this project.  As I said at the time it, I was pleased they backed it and it was exactly the type of project they should be getting fully behind.  See Drillings post earlier today as he put it brilliantly regarding answering a lot of questions and demonstrating an ability to create, manage, fund and deliver a fan led project.
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« Reply #29638 on: October 12, 2021, 21:59:39 pm »

The owners ended the relationship by refusing to answer questions THEY asked for and the led a shameless campaign to undermine the one true voice of Northampton fans THE TRUST.
Like most things our owners do itís turning out to be another spectacular disaster for them.

Did you cut and paste that from the latest Trust latest press release.   Grin Grin

You need to be careful.  Keep talking like that and before you know it you'll be on a Zoom call and co-opted on to the board.
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« Reply #29639 on: October 12, 2021, 22:28:03 pm »

Did you cut and paste that from the latest Trust latest press release.   Grin Grin

You need to be careful.  Keep talking like that and before you know it you'll be on a Zoom call and co-opted on to the board.
I wondered what that penny was doing in the bottom of my pint?
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