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« Reply #29760 on: October 15, 2021, 09:34:17 am »

One things for sure Tel they would pass the ďFit and Proper TestĒ .

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« Reply #29761 on: October 15, 2021, 09:36:26 am »

Keith,
I asked this at 1640hrs yesterday, in amongst the others, it appears that you missed responding?
Thanks...

Sorry.  

We know they received the money.  We don't know if they had to pay anything to get the shares back.  The word "reacquire" used by KT is an interesting one.  Why would you not say that you had to buy them back if you had to buy them back?

You're correct that we don't know the rest.

My view of the owners is that if they're going to keep saying they are transparent and have the best interests of the club at heart, why won't they just give some details to prove that and we can all work together towards a brighter future for NTFC.  They have all of this information.  Why not kill the debate stone dead by sharing it?

The view of some seem to be that if we can't 100% prove the owners are not transparent and don't have the best interests of the club at heart then we will assume that a West Ham supporting journeyman chairman based in Florida and a lawyer from Oxford, turned developer, who lives in Dubai, care deeply about our club and will do the right thing by it and should be left without question to do exactly whatever it is they will end up doing.  

I find that a risky strategy.
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« Reply #29762 on: October 15, 2021, 10:18:37 am »

Sorry.  

We know they received the money.  We don't know if they had to pay anything to get the shares back.  The word "reacquire" used by KT is an interesting one.  Why would you not say that you had to buy them back if you had to buy them back?

You're correct that we don't know the rest.

My view of the owners is that if they're going to keep saying they are transparent and have the best interests of the club at heart, why won't they just give some details to prove that and we can all work together towards a brighter future for NTFC.  They have all of this information.  Why not kill the debate stone dead by sharing it?

The view of some seem to be that if we can't 100% prove the owners are not transparent and don't have the best interests of the club at heart then we will assume that a West Ham supporting journeyman chairman based in Florida and a lawyer from Oxford, turned developer, who lives in Dubai, care deeply about our club and will do the right thing by it and should be left without question to do exactly whatever it is they will end up doing.  

I find that a risky strategy.


Thank you.
Regarding the distance, both in terms of miles and affiliation, it is not unique to us.  That could be applied to many, if not the majority, of PL/EFL clubs?
Unfortunately, it is the way of the football world now. 
We just hope that 'our version' leave us in a better position than when they arrived (on and off the pitch), more importantly and at the very least, with a club that we can continue to support.

Yes, there is an argument that we aren't progressing at any pace (if at all) and that standing still is going backwards.
But to be honest, coming away from our understandably parochial view, looking at some of the other clubs and the way they bounce between varying degrees of crises that, aside from the East Stand and current land issue/disagreement, I would argue that we are relatively fortunate?
The grass isn't always greener...

I echo previous comments, that your decision to represent The Trust Board on this forum and having/joined up civilised conversation (for and against) has changed the atmosphere on this thread beyond recognition.
You never know, it maybe the catalyst for more of the support once again to fall in behind The Trust (Board), to march in a position of supporter strength that we once had?
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« Reply #29763 on: October 15, 2021, 12:28:18 pm »

Thank you.
Regarding the distance, both in terms of miles and affiliation, it is not unique to us.  That could be applied to many, if not the majority, of PL/EFL clubs?
Unfortunately, it is the way of the football world now. 
We just hope that 'our version' leave us in a better position than when they arrived (on and off the pitch), more importantly and at the very least, with a club that we can continue to support.

Yes, there is an argument that we aren't progressing at any pace (if at all) and that standing still is going backwards.
But to be honest, coming away from our understandably parochial view, looking at some of the other clubs and the way they bounce between varying degrees of crises that, aside from the East Stand and current land issue/disagreement, I would argue that we are relatively fortunate?
The grass isn't always greener...

I echo previous comments, that your decision to represent The Trust Board on this forum and having/joined up civilised conversation (for and against) has changed the atmosphere on this thread beyond recognition.
You never know, it maybe the catalyst for more of the support once again to fall in behind The Trust (Board), to march in a position of supporter strength that we once had?
Letís hope so Deepcut, because hoping for the best isnít a strategy that I would ever want to use.
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« Reply #29764 on: October 15, 2021, 13:42:13 pm »

At the moment, I canít really get in any further debate about this subject. However, one thing I will say, is to repeat what I said quite a few years ago now.

Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone probably wants whatís best for the club. But one thing is for sure. As much as football is important to us all. Had some people invested the time and effort they put into arguing on here, into something really worthy of their attention, Iím sure they would feel better about themselves today. And might have made a real difference in this world.

Remember this. If one brutal dictatorship, with an heinous human rights record of r@pe, mutilation, murder, corruption and torture turned up offering us premiership football, none of our words would matter. Football, and football supporters would be outside the club, sitting on their fellow supporters shoulders, cheering on the new regime and every word on this thread would count for nought.

So drop any romantic notion that football gives a flying fcuk about anything, or that anyone will stop its charge towards oblivion. And never make the mistake of taking yourself serious on here 😀😀


For goodness sake, don't mention Newcastle United. Phew, I think you got away with it.
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« Reply #29765 on: October 15, 2021, 13:51:23 pm »


For goodness sake, don't mention Newcastle United. Phew, I think you got away with it.

It would apply to any club. Look how many of our fans lept on the Di Stefano/Fashanu group.. Premier league and league clubs supporters donít cheer on their club anymore. They cheer on their chosen businessÖ
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« Reply #29766 on: October 15, 2021, 14:59:22 pm »

Keith, you may leave the (East) stand.

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« Reply #29767 on: October 15, 2021, 21:49:10 pm »

Regarding the 5U Sport share deal I canít comment on this particular case obviously. However any deal I have any experience of on a personal or professional level to purchase any entity has required legal representation. But leaving that aside for a minute, once money has been paid and received by the vendor, the entity becomes the legal property of the purchaser. I canít think of a contractual or legal mechanism to reverse this or a allow the vendor any element of control once the payment has been received. Iím no legal expert so that doesnít mean it doesnít exist, but it does leave me with a sense of incredulity. The scenario is that someone has agreed to buy a shareholding for millions from a vendor by paying the agreed price into the vendors offshore bank account. Somehow the vendors have managed to keep the money and the ultimately the ownership and by definition control of the shares overcoming one of the significant principles of the point of ownership under contract law. This probably applies under the jurisdiction of UK law due to this being where the asset is situated. All requiring a spectacular failure on the part of the purchasers legal representation to protect their client or even more unlikely the case that they didnít engage legal representation at all. As I said I am no legal expert but if someone can come up with a plausible explanation for all this I would be grateful because itís a complete mystery to me.
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« Reply #29768 on: October 15, 2021, 22:36:04 pm »

Regarding the 5U Sport share deal I canít comment on this particular case obviously. However any deal I have any experience of on a personal or professional level to purchase any entity has required legal representation. But leaving that aside for a minute, once money has been paid and received by the vendor, the entity becomes the legal property of the purchaser. I canít think of a contractual or legal mechanism to reverse this or a allow the vendor any element of control once the payment has been received. Iím no legal expert so that doesnít mean it doesnít exist, but it does leave me with a sense of incredulity. The scenario is that someone has agreed to buy a shareholding for millions from a vendor by paying the agreed price into the vendors offshore bank account. Somehow the vendors have managed to keep the money and the ultimately the ownership and by definition control of the shares overcoming one of the significant principles of the point of ownership under contract law. This probably applies under the jurisdiction of UK law due to this being where the asset is situated. All requiring a spectacular failure on the part of the purchasers legal representation to protect their client or even more unlikely the case that they didnít engage legal representation at all. As I said I am no legal expert but if someone can come up with a plausible explanation for all this I would be grateful because itís a complete mystery to me.
Iím led to believe they defaulted on the final payment, after the Chinese stopped foreign investment in sport, therefore breaking the contract.
Iím serious when I say why donít you contact KT and ask him?
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« Reply #29769 on: October 15, 2021, 23:11:48 pm »

Iím led to believe they defaulted on the final payment, after the Chinese stopped foreign investment in sport, therefore breaking the contract.
Iím serious when I say why donít you contact KT and ask him?
Itís more a question around legal mechanisms and failures generally. I am mystified, I have just spent the best part of 3 months umpiring a contractual tennis match between lawyers and following the pedantic nature of that experience I genuinely cant envisage this happening. I say umpiring, I was more a confused onlooker really. The force majeure clauses covering legislation were bog standard though. Basically any unforeseen changes to legislation affecting either parties ability to fulfill their contractual obligations allowed either side to revert to their original position. This has come into particular focus due to the impacts of Covid, but it is fairly routine apparently. As I said having been subjected to this nonsense on a fairly regular basis it genuinely doesnít make any sense to me. That being said the lawyers all did very nicely out of it, so allís well that ends well. I should also add the amounts in question weíre a fraction of those in the deal the club were involved in.
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« Reply #29770 on: October 16, 2021, 09:12:47 am »

I would also find it odd that the shares and controlling interest were transferred prior to completion of the deal.
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« Reply #29771 on: October 16, 2021, 09:40:24 am »

I have just spent the best part of 3 months umpiring a contractual tennis match between lawyers

I have just spent the best part of 3 months cleaning my beach, you think you have it tough?
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« Reply #29772 on: October 16, 2021, 09:45:42 am »

Now you all seem to be conversing decently, any chance of putting the same effort into some constructive future ideas and things we can influence as you have the past and areas we obviously cant?

Some inspiration rather than flying buns would be appreciated and provide us mere mortals with some mild encouragement for the future.

Lots of brains here but not many ideas.
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« Reply #29773 on: October 16, 2021, 10:50:54 am »

Now you all seem to be conversing decently, any chance of putting the same effort into some constructive future ideas and things we can influence as you have the past and areas we obviously cant?


Some of us were always conversing decentlyÖ You #£@# 😀
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« Reply #29774 on: October 16, 2021, 13:59:18 pm »

We waste vast amounts of money, as do almost every club, on new players, other clubs players, managers and their back room staff.

If we cut the playing budget by say £50k per year and spent it on visual improvements, would we really notice it on the pitch? I very much doubt it. But if that went on painting the stadium or building a canopy off Carrs Bar or upgrading a catering facility or better ticket cabins or something, we would notice it.

For me it is about feel good factor, a sense of pride. Most of any PR from the club says hashtag proudtobe. I am sorry guys, and I know the club does some amazing work that is really useful and valued, especially the Community Trust, can you walk along the front of the west stand and feel proud?

Walk along there today, have a good look at the gates, the paintwork, the carrs bar, the fencing, the ticket cabins, the paint etc etc, how does it look.

Now imagine you are not a die hard, claret tinted glasses on fan, you are a casual fan, perhaps on your 5th visit for Sixfields in 3 years, do you get a feel good vibe, club going places, somewhere you want to come back to ?

We all know that the quickest way to get fans in is to play winning, ideally free scoring football, problem is that it is the hardest thing and most expensive way (generally) too. Even when it works for a while, as soon as it drops you a back to square one.

Our attendances have grown slightly over the last 5 years as we have had 2 promotions in that time but more importantly we can grow more.




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« Reply #29775 on: October 16, 2021, 14:12:00 pm »

We waste vast amounts of money, as do almost every club, on new players, other clubs players, managers and their back room staff.

If we cut the playing budget by say £50k per year and spent it on visual improvements, would we really notice it on the pitch? I very much doubt it. But if that went on painting the stadium or building a canopy off Carrs Bar or upgrading a catering facility or better ticket cabins or something, we would notice it.

For me it is about feel good factor, a sense of pride. Most of any PR from the club says hashtag proudtobe. I am sorry guys, and I know the club does some amazing work that is really useful and valued, especially the Community Trust, can you walk along the front of the west stand and feel proud?

Walk along there today, have a reason good look at the games, the carrs bar, the fencing, the ticket cabins, the paint etc etc, how does it look.

Now imagine you are not a die hard, claret tinted glasses on fan, you are a casual fan, perhaps on your 5th visit for Sixfields in 3 years, do you get a feel good vibe, club going places, somewhere you want to come back to ?

We all know that the quickest way to get fans in is to play winning, ideally free scoring football, problem is that it is the hardest thing and most expensive way (generally) too. Even when it works for a while, as soon as it drops you a back to square one.

Our attendances have grown slightly over the last 5 years as we have had 2 promotions in that time but more importantly we can grow more.






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« Reply #29776 on: October 16, 2021, 15:21:46 pm »

We waste vast amounts of money, as do almost every club, on new players, other clubs players, managers and their back room staff.

If we cut the playing budget by say £50k per year and spent it on visual improvements, would we really notice it on the pitch? I very much doubt it. But if that went on painting the stadium or building a canopy off Carrs Bar or upgrading a catering facility or better ticket cabins or something, we would notice it.

For me it is about feel good factor, a sense of pride. Most of any PR from the club says hashtag proudtobe. I am sorry guys, and I know the club does some amazing work that is really useful and valued, especially the Community Trust, can you walk along the front of the west stand and feel proud?

Walk along there today, have a good look at the gates, the paintwork, the carrs bar, the fencing, the ticket cabins, the paint etc etc, how does it look.

Now imagine you are not a die hard, claret tinted glasses on fan, you are a casual fan, perhaps on your 5th visit for Sixfields in 3 years, do you get a feel good vibe, club going places, somewhere you want to come back to ?

We all know that the quickest way to get fans in is to play winning, ideally free scoring football, problem is that it is the hardest thing and most expensive way (generally) too. Even when it works for a while, as soon as it drops you a back to square one.

Our attendances have grown slightly over the last 5 years as we have had 2 promotions in that time but more importantly we can grow more.


Has someone taken over Randoms account?  Your best post ever... Wink

The majority of us are all on the same side, the intent is never in question, it's the method to achieve it that is/has been the difference. 
This is a great re-start, led by Keith.
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« Reply #29777 on: October 16, 2021, 17:59:15 pm »

Has someone taken over Randoms account?  Your best post ever... Wink

The majority of us are all on the same side, the intent is never in question, it's the method to achieve it that is/has been the difference. 
This is a great re-start, led by Keith.

Still me !!!, perhaps I have got rid of a few frustrations but my intent remains strong.

Thanks DC although I not sure..  EVER.  Grin

I agree the majority want a better club and in a higher division. I understand it's not easy and KT's reluctance but if we want our season ticket holder numbers to grow, then I just would like to see a bit more creativity, a few more tangible signs that we are trying to improve.

We as fans have to step up to and perhaps gently,  let KT know that we do want better.
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« Reply #29778 on: October 16, 2021, 20:41:50 pm »

I have just spent the best part of 3 months cleaning my beach, you think you have it tough?
Iím gutted for you.
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« Reply #29779 on: October 17, 2021, 10:24:42 am »

I have just spent the best part of 3 months cleaning my beach, you think you have it tough?

There's quite a few things that need cleaning over there before the beaches.
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