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« Reply #29780 on: October 29, 2021, 10:02:40 am »

You're too kind, thank you!

A Black Sheep or even better a Jennings Cumberland from our Cumbrian friends to rub in the 3 points! Poured respectfully into a Nonic glass if you can find one, and pause just a moment to let it settle wondering at the golden haze as it reveals a clear elixir of life. As you slowly kiss the glass for your first sip, take in that glorious aroma for a second...before diving it.  Tongue

We will of course be providing our own superb range of craft beers, naming them could be fun. However for a full all day venue as this, providing all the usual demand products required we also need a major brewery tie up which could be some fun negotiating with the plans we have. The tech services package and the supply an installation of the in house brewery would all be important factors. They pay for all of this.


We were toying with ideas tonight and one proposal is to sub the coffee section to Starbucks or the like. Its worked at one place here as the lost revenue from supplying in-house is more than supplemented by the fixed income and the draw of a large name. You feed from that and can concentrate on delivering a high quality product yourself. The in house restaurant gains more covers from the exposure gained from coffee visitors. Unless Evers is a barista?

Although preliminary and experimental, what we have so far stacks up (as a venue) so it should make interesting viewing when completed.

Enjoy that pint!

Although they're are not a major brewery, what about trying to get Phipps on board Steve? I must admit I've never had a bad pint in the Albion Bar, also would we really need a major brewery if we were selling a good selection of Craft Beers? Just a suggestion mate, it would also be good to have a local brewery on board. I'll have a pint for you as well tomorrow, and a big thanks for the updates.
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« Reply #29781 on: October 29, 2021, 10:15:55 am »

I think a world renowned brewer whether it be beer or lager would be much more beneficial.
They could even sponsor the shirtÖ..

If only Northampton had a major worldwide brewing brand in the middle of town.

Oh hang on  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #29782 on: October 29, 2021, 10:45:07 am »

Hi Steve.

I think the best way forward is to present your plans to Tom cliffe the fans rep and let him raise it with the board.
Tom could come back to you with the pros and cons such as land boundaries etc.

Oh and not a bowls player myself  Grin

Absolutely will but only when when the business plan and presentation are so solid it would be hard to reject from any party, council or club.

I want them scratching heads looking for a way to turn it down when there isn't one. Pressure from the community aspect combined with it being a new stand puts a wholly different aspect to this proposal as currently this plot will not be used for anything other than football when indeed it has been deemed a community space.

The NHE plan being released was the reason I wanted to make just a few here on the forum aware of a scheme we have been playing with for a while. You are my guinea pigs. The NHE is a welcome step however narrow in focus, our plans make the space a vibrant, welcoming all weather, any event 365 day family and community venue that generates significant profit.

The essential difference here is that we would never get such an opportunity in the town centre and this venue has the advantage of stepping into two seperate worlds as it has 2000 plus seats on the "roof", accessible most time of the year. You could meet for coffee in the morning, have a few frames of snooker, take lunch, arrange a private meeting room or co-working space, enjoy a pint and if you fancy take it either outside to the front balcony or even upstairs and enjoy it from inside the stand itself, an elevated vantage position to gaze over over the pitch, Sixfields area and town itself. Then find your seat for the live bands in the evening, all on a Friday in June.

Not bowls then? How about Archery? Snooker will be available. I have visions of you in a bow tie.
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« Reply #29783 on: October 29, 2021, 11:00:19 am »

Although they're are not a major brewery, what about trying to get Phipps on board Steve? I must admit I've never had a bad pint in the Albion Bar, also would we really need a major brewery if we were selling a good selection of Craft Beers? Just a suggestion mate, it would also be good to have a local brewery on board. I'll have a pint for you as well tomorrow, and a big thanks for the updates.

There's some fun to be had here, but no, we will absolutely reach out for help but will set up our own brewery and take them all on, maybe even steal some of their staff.

A jobs a job and we are there to develop and sell our own products. We will have the most locally prominent, front page venue to show case our own beers. We have a huge advantage and what makes this opportunity so special. How many new businesses/brewers have a ready made club of 1000s of supporters before they have even begun?

We will tie with a major supplier for all the other demand drinks, spirits, mixers, and so on, also tech services etc. The Cobblers beer will be available on draft and on the shelves of supermarkets.

Possibly the best clubhouse in the world...
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« Reply #29784 on: October 29, 2021, 11:07:04 am »

Hi Steve
Iím sure Iím a sceptical old bugger but you seem confident that there is no way for the club to turn this downÖ.
Iím not so sure that David and friends wonít find a way to do just thatÖ.

My scepticism stems from my self imposed exile of many seasons waiting for the east stand redevelopment to startÖ
Does anyone on here realistically think that it will be finished and I will be returning to sixfields next season..
Would anyone on here bet money on work actually STARTING on the east stand redevelopment next season??

I now have many years experience sitting on my sofa on Saturday afternoons waiting for the work to start.

I actually think that grandiose ideas for a north stand redevelopment are admirable but Iíd temper them with a dose of reality and look at the state of the east stand.

That redevelopment hasnít got off the ground after nearly a decade so please excuse my scepticism if Iím expected to believe that this idea will start this century  Roll Eyes

I think thatís a fair point.
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« Reply #29785 on: October 29, 2021, 11:28:30 am »

Agree with getting Phipps on board, builds that link with the town and entices people out to have a few beers. I know Oakham ales do something similar and they are usually popular places. Would also be one less thing you have to start from scratch.

Shoemaker, I agree with you, and im usually one of the more positive people on here  Grin. What hopefully this will do is pick up where the NHE started and push through with it. There are many on here who share the same opinion of you about the owners and their desire, or lack of, to develop the ground. The truth is until now we haven't really had anything to test them with. Yes the east stand debacle but there has always been a lot of reasons why for them to put forward (an less than adequate structure, land overlapping, who owns what, order of approvals etc) and without going over all that again, agree or disagree with the severity, they exist.

Hopefully this proposal wont have the same complications and although im sure will have some challenges (car park ownership for example) will be a much more straight forward decision and show exactly what the owners intentions are.  Hope that ramble makes sense!! Essentially I hope that finally we will have something tangible for fans to get behind, and hopefully owners (and council) to back.
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« Reply #29786 on: October 29, 2021, 11:58:35 am »

Agree with getting Phipps on board, builds that link with the town and entices people out to have a few beers. I know Oakham ales do something similar and they are usually popular places. Would also be one less thing you have to start from scratch.



Sorry woody I wasn't clear before, having a centerpiece and striking brewery in full public gaze, we would of course embrace the counties breweries of every size.

We would to hope to host many a beer festival and help promote small businesses and producers throughout the county.

Its events and attractions such as this the whole project is about as part of a thriving 365 day business. Community is the beating heart of this proposition.
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« Reply #29787 on: October 29, 2021, 11:59:52 am »

It all sounds good and you can count me in. Smiley
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« Reply #29788 on: October 29, 2021, 12:01:09 pm »

Sorry woody I wasn't clear before, having a centerpiece and striking brewery in full public gaze, we would of course embrace the counties breweries of every size.

We would to hope to host many a beer festival and help promote small businesses and producers throughout the county.

Its events and attractions such as this the whole project is about as part of a thriving 365 day business. Community is the beating heart of this proposition.
You had me at beer festival!
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« Reply #29789 on: October 29, 2021, 12:48:43 pm »

Agree with getting Phipps on board, builds that link with the town and entices people out to have a few beers. I know Oakham ales do something similar and they are usually popular places. Would also be one less thing you have to start from scratch.

Shoemaker, I agree with you, and im usually one of the more positive people on here  Grin. What hopefully this will do is pick up where the NHE started and push through with it. There are many on here who share the same opinion of you about the owners and their desire, or lack of, to develop the ground. The truth is until now we haven't really had anything to test them with. Yes the east stand debacle but there has always been a lot of reasons why for them to put forward (an less than adequate structure, land overlapping, who owns what, order of approvals etc) and without going over all that again, agree or disagree with the severity, they exist.

Hopefully this proposal wont have the same complications and although im sure will have some challenges (car park ownership for example) will be a much more straight forward decision and show exactly what the owners intentions are.  Hope that ramble makes sense!! Essentially I hope that finally we will have something tangible for fans to get behind, and hopefully owners (and council) to back.
1) I agree with the idea 100%

2) I donít think it should be for the fans to finance adding value to an asset for the current owners to sell on for a larger profit unless David decided to invest his money into it as well.

3) Iím sceptical for the reasons stated above.

Iíd absolutely love David to embrace this idea and bankroll it along with fans donations but letís not delude ourselves, just look at the east standÖ. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #29790 on: October 29, 2021, 14:13:12 pm »

1) I agree with the idea 100%

2) I donít think it should be for the fans to finance adding value to an asset for the current owners to sell on for a larger profit unless David decided to invest his money into it as well.

3) Iím sceptical for the reasons stated above.

Iíd absolutely love David to embrace this idea and bankroll it along with fans donations but letís not delude ourselves, just look at the east standÖ. Roll Eyes

1. Good, together we can. This is in no way connected to the east stand and any other current planning consideration.

2. Itís a wider community project first and foremost, on community land, its not all about football. The problem with the east stand and the football club is that is a 23 day plus only operation with little or no benefit to anyone other than football fans. You're coming from the wrong angle.

There will be investor opportunities within the development, the brewery, the bar and the business itself. Iím confident the package will be attractive enough not just for us the supporters to invest in, but many others from the wider county and possibly beyond, even the Far East? Why shouldnít we be allowed to buy a superb facility for the town? Wait for who?

To pledge £1500 over a 12 month period with £500 the first installment may sound a lot, but if it doesn't frighten me and I wont be alone when the plans are completed. For this not only do you have your name associated and displayed you enjoy huge benefits within the 2000 Club. Privileged access to events, concerts, discounts on food, products and services. If a headline act does perform, you get to meet them or front row. Neil Diamond is smaller than you think. The only concession from the club we would ask that 2000 Club members get first refusal on tickets for the Upper tier before going on general sale.

This is a unique opportunity, separate from the club but seamlessly connected, paid for by the people it is ring fenced, cannot be sold on or flattened without an adequate replacement found, it will add huge kudos and value to the club and make it attractive to further investment. I doubt David will mind too much as he gets greater revenue for club matters.

There is one other small matter, it pays for better players. The circle is completed. We build it, we employ the correct management and enjoy the benefits for a generation.

3. Scepticism can be serious if not treated, definitively get some cream.
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« Reply #29791 on: October 29, 2021, 15:36:58 pm »

Look upon this opportunity as the ultimate season ticket. Offered to Trust members, supporters, the wider Northamptonshire public first and then beyond.

The club may not be able to sell season tickets for the Upper Tier but they can offer them for general sale if the Club 2000 member does not respond or reserve 14 days before the match.

The club has an extra 2000 seats to sell, nothing changes to the normal operation of the club, season ticket sales, promotions and so on. They can sell them for whatever price they like, same as the upper west.

For £1500 you not only build the most wonderful and exciting clubhouse any football team has seen, usable every day of the week, as warm and inviting as a coffee shop with its zones, relaxing and inviting throughout the year. You buy a golden ticket to its success and benefit in every way.

Your family Sunday lunch will be cheaper, the kids will definitely get that ticket to the gig and be wifi digital nomad friendly, granddad gets to play bowls, and when Manchester United next come for a spanking, Dads guaranteed a ticket. Worth it from my point of view and I think a few of us exiled supporters might be interested.

The first £500 (£1,000,000) buys a seat at the table and an audible voice, the interest on the first installment used for our negotiations. I hope the Trust have a decent accountant, all funds at this stage with a caveat of return if no progress and successful agreement between all parties.

The business plan on the venue is workable, our small group of current professionals in F&B retail, festival and venue management has a combined experience of nearly 400 years, which made us all a bit upset. We have all made successes of locations without any of the huge benefits laid on here nor a 46,000 customer head start.  Attaching this to a football club is the stroke of genius and we canít think of another club more suitable or in need of a little repair in the wider community after recent events. We cant find another club it fits better.

Have a lap of the north car park tomorrow and imagine a structure similar in design as the West stand yet higher covering the entire car park, stretching to the ends of the pitch so wider than the north stand. The faÁade higher and with much more glass but with doors allowing access to a large balcony, the brewery stands proud to the left covering both floors. My description is utterly useless, sorry, you will have to wait for the plans!

The only thing the football club has to lose is the roof off the north stand. I wont miss that.
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« Reply #29792 on: October 29, 2021, 17:30:02 pm »

A man with a vision, fantastic idea.
Can we have pool tables rather than snooker please.
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« Reply #29793 on: October 29, 2021, 17:58:47 pm »

A man with a vision, fantastic idea.
Can we have skittle tables rather than snooker please.

Made a slight amendment to make it more Teyn
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« Reply #29794 on: October 29, 2021, 20:23:34 pm »

Yes, thank you, we need as many spanners as possible so keep throwing them, when they stop flying we have won. Very early days.

Clarification on the boundaries would help if you or any Trust members have access to the lease, it should be available, boundaries etc. FOI.

If the north car park is not under the club or DB ownership that should be deemed a potential benefit.

Do you like bowls? (On the green variety, not the noisy American thing. Just to clarify!)
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« Reply #29795 on: October 29, 2021, 20:55:39 pm »

This thread has now reached hallucinogenic levels not seen since Jefferson Airplane shared an omelette.
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« Reply #29796 on: October 29, 2021, 20:58:43 pm »

Thereís a lot of talk but itís up to David.
Letís see what he thinks and if itís a yes we can all get behind the idea.

Personally the more itís ramped up the more people may be disappointed.
Take a leaf out of KTs book

Promise little , deliver big.

Any timescale on when the plans may be put before David for his evaluation of the project.

Are we talking a few months or a few yearsÖ.
Who is drawing up the plans for David to look at and whose paying for them?

To be fair Steve if you are paying for this out of your own pocket you have my upmost respect as itís a risk and you are putting your money where your mouth is so fair play to you.

Will you be posting the plans on here prior to showing them to David to gauge fan response.

Keep it up
Your hearts in the right place.
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« Reply #29797 on: October 30, 2021, 00:30:14 am »

This thread has now reached hallucinogenic levels not seen since Jefferson Airplane shared an omelette.

Its moved to a Jefferson Starship level now..

But..Dare to dream..

Im a believer in this potential project.

Great work and thoughts, by Mr Massive
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« Reply #29798 on: October 30, 2021, 00:33:05 am »

Made a slight amendment to make it more Teyn

You bugger..The last skittle table I saw was in the Crown Weston around 1982..Id have no chance now, unless there's 6X beer.
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« Reply #29799 on: October 30, 2021, 01:00:19 am »

You bugger..The last skittle table I saw was in the Crown Weston around 1982..Id have no chance now, unless there's 6X beer.
Gardeners Arms, or they did have the last time that I popped in. Good choice of beer by the way.
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