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« Reply #29800 on: October 24, 2021, 10:55:03 am »

If not all they have done is draw some colourful boxes on the satellite picture and a pretty video game stand
Now you are getting it mixed up along with the NTFC Power Point presentation from June ?
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« Reply #29801 on: October 24, 2021, 13:01:39 pm »

We can put them both in the same box as the Trusts leaflet
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« Reply #29802 on: October 24, 2021, 13:39:02 pm »

We can put them both in the same box as the Trusts leaflet
Except the club have an intake of around £6m 100’s of staff and 6 years in which to prepare them.
So no Woody it’s not the same.
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« Reply #29803 on: October 24, 2021, 16:01:48 pm »

We can put them both in the same box as the Trusts leaflet
I'm sorry I seem to have missed the Trust "leaflet" claiming they would be completing the East Stand, could you point me in the right direction so I can read it. It obviously exists doesn't it ? otherwise some people might that you are posting untrue things to make the Trust look bad and, surely you wouldn't do that , would you ?
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« Reply #29804 on: October 24, 2021, 18:12:02 pm »

I'm sorry I seem to have missed the Trust "leaflet" claiming they would be completing the East Stand, could you point me in the right direction so I can read it. It obviously exists doesn't it ? otherwise some people might that you are posting untrue things to make the Trust look bad and, surely you wouldn't do that , would you ?
You’ll have to forgive Woody, he works for the club.
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« Reply #29805 on: October 24, 2021, 19:42:31 pm »

Just seen Shaq on tv at the American Grand Prix at Texas , could anyone else tell if he was wearing his cobblers scarf?
Will he be officially opening the redeveloped stand?
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« Reply #29806 on: October 24, 2021, 20:11:01 pm »

I'm sorry I seem to have missed the Trust "leaflet" claiming they would be completing the East Stand, could you point me in the right direction so I can read it. It obviously exists doesn't it ? otherwise some people might that you are posting untrue things to make the Trust look bad and, surely you wouldn't do that , would you ?
And I’ve missed where I said such a leaflet exists. I’m sure you know what leaflet I was referring too. I wasn’t clear in linking the three. All three can go in the box of “**** things”. I hope you are calm enough to appreciate the very veiled attempt at humour and humbly apologise that wasn’t clearer.
If we actually go back to my first point, I was actually defending Trust as they have unfairly been dragged into the NHE fallout
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« Reply #29807 on: October 24, 2021, 22:14:57 pm »

Just seen Shaq on tv at the American Grand Prix at Texas , could anyone else tell if he was wearing his cobblers scarf?
Will he be officially opening the redeveloped stand?
Did you see he had to duck his head walking into the garage.
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« Reply #29808 on: October 25, 2021, 08:32:21 am »

I have mentioned before I have huge respect for those trying to promote the NHE project but from my perspective it’s a total non-starter and would gain little traction. I certainly would not want to invest my hard earned into this design as I see little or no long term benefit for the club and supporters.

The only (organisation) that should be taking on such a project is the Trust and they clearly do not have the metal nor the personnel to take it on.
I can see no reason whatsoever why they should not independently plan, fund and build a new north stand galvanising the supporters with an impressive yet practicable design.

For me the existing north stand should remain and integrated within a new stand built behind and above this lower tier. A new second tier of approximately 2000 seats above, accommodating below pitch facing administration and meeting rooms for the Trust, visible and welcoming.
Pitch facing modular facilities (The Brian Lomax suite) for 365 day hospitality accessed from a large usable multi functioning concourse with bars, catering, flexible “stage area” and outside balcony areas capable of providing not only a fantastic match day experience but year round income and opportunity, local band nights etc. as The NHEs plans suggest.

Within this new stand at the east end there should be a dedicated visible micro-brewery run by the Trust, members and volunteers which could supply the bar within the stand and hopefully sell within the county and beyond becoming a profitable venture for the Trust and club. The stand should be built with the intention of making money independently of the football club.

Go for this bold £3m plan and I will chip in and I’m sure a few others will too, no more dogs dinners, crib nights or car boots please.

What have they to lose?
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« Reply #29809 on: October 25, 2021, 12:10:59 pm »

Great post as usual mate, completely agree, the design for the North stand already exists.
The foundations are there, the plans need digging out and re costing, it would mean 12 rows of seats built behind the existing lower tier.
This would make the new North approx 2100 seats.
Behind the stand could be the fan zone, microbrewery, stage etc.
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« Reply #29810 on: October 25, 2021, 14:48:40 pm »

Thanks Manny, if only those who sit at the various tables shared our vision!

I was hoping with the formation of the Trust we would eventually see some tangible developments and benefits for the fans of NTFC, ways we could contribute, a more secure long term future for the club with additional investment (ring-fenced from owners) and spent directly on benefits for the club and fans but honestly I’m not sure what has actually been achieved?  Its time they stood up.

The plan I have, and the Trust are welcome to it, would not only be a catalyst for them but realise vital funds for the club and that is to build a home, a business, a stand.

A prominent development, in this case a fans, Trust built stand is the way forward. A rough visual pitch side comparison would be the Homeserve stand at Walsall however their original lower tier is larger than our existing north stand tier and therefore the Homeserve stand sits somewhat higher. Ours would be so much more beautiful.

They added just over 2000 seats to the upper tier and boxes behind the original structure. Creating an upper tier provides a roof for the important section underneath, my plan a multi functioning 365 day enterprise, a home for the new prominent Trust and an everyday meeting place for fans with a bar selling its own product, an attraction in itself.

Creating an open plan visual, well-polished copper clad working micro-brewery at the east end with its own bar, kitchens and hospitality could provide a bar venue experience open 7 days a week. With a versatile stage area at the opposite (west) end capable of providing for a band or additional match day areas, wedding singers, whatever. Just as the NHE envisaged but somewhat more professional and practical for everyday use.

The upper concourse itself obviously capable of accommodating 2000 people so versatile for almost any event, even an Indian wedding! Being on the first floor, level with the back of the current north stand even a balcony area could be provided to the front aspect so customers at events or even match day could enjoy a beer outside in the right weather.

The pitch viewing private boxes or VIP areas (Brian Lomax Suite) could be sold individually or even integrated as part of bigger events, the Trust also having a pitch facing home, admin management centre and real base to finally grow from. Full time jobs created within the brewery, bars and management.

Funding? “Sell” the 2000 seats for £1500 each, frankly that's bugger all and I would wager there are enough of us fans scattered around the globe who would love to “buy a seat” to build a new stand. Only 1999 to go as I’m in!

They will tell me it’s not possible, but they've never tried.
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« Reply #29811 on: October 25, 2021, 18:58:49 pm »

Very good suggestions by both Massey and Manwork, but where I'd change things is instead of fitting seats, how about an extra 12 rows of standing terracing up behind the left in situe seating in both north and south stands?
This would make Sixfields the most atmospheric ground in the EFL, encouraging fans who enjoy standing at football.
I've always noticed how we take far more away support when standing in a terrace behind a goal than when seated.
Cost wise terracing with a roof would be cheaper than doubled stepped seating structure also allowing more to attend, obviously in a safe well stewarded environment.
Costs would be half those vast debts we keep building up seeking land deals,
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« Reply #29812 on: October 25, 2021, 19:00:57 pm »

Has the redevelopment started yet??
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« Reply #29813 on: October 25, 2021, 20:13:04 pm »


Funding? “Sell” the 2000 seats for £1500 each, frankly that's bugger all and I would wager there are enough of us fans scattered around the globe who would love to “buy a seat” to build a new stand. Only 1999 to go as I’m in!

They will tell me it’s not possible, but they've never tried.


The suggestion or similar bond approach is definitely the way to go - the trust have to step up and try to coordinate and capture these ideas and energy - of course there are many practical issues to overcome but this concept could just work.
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« Reply #29814 on: October 25, 2021, 20:39:09 pm »

If it’s a professionally evaluated proposal then I’m in.
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« Reply #29815 on: October 25, 2021, 21:12:34 pm »

Very good suggestions by both Massey and Manwork, but where I'd change things is instead of fitting seats, how about an extra 12 rows of standing terracing up behind the left in situe seating in both north and south stands?
This would make Sixfields the most atmospheric ground in the EFL, encouraging fans who enjoy standing at football.
I've always noticed how we take far more away support when standing in a terrace behind a goal than when seated.
Cost wise terracing with a roof would be cheaper than doubled stepped seating structure also allowing more to attend, obviously in a safe well stewarded environment.
Costs would be half those vast debts we keep building up seeking land deals,

I agree with a standing bit, but seriously, the most atmospheric ground in the EFL?
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« Reply #29816 on: October 26, 2021, 04:09:13 am »

It’s not the time for separate ideas, the lads from the NHE need to work with the Trust we all need to join forces together for such a project. This plan is actually for a large licenced venue with a stand attached, not the other way around.

I’m absolutely serious about this but it would be a shame if I must return 6000 odd miles to push it. I can’t get back to the UK until next year but there’s no reason we couldn’t have a new community venue north stand in place and open for the 24/25 season.

Beds, I understand your desire for standing but the idea of rail standing on the upper tier will frighten the council and others. With this plan the lower tier will not have access to the upper tier they are separate entities, integrating the top tier with the concourse area for larger private events, non-football related only those who buy an upper ticket will have access. The existing lower tier would not be affected by this development and remain open throughout for the club to use as normal.

Once the exciting and captivating plans are complete (a smaller less attractive and less beneficial development will just not gain enough support) we need a prospectus for investors, a media campaign, launch and PR. When the ideas of this “Fans” stand gather media/social media attention it will fly. The Guardian are already poised to continue their story of Sixfields.

To be part of Cobblers history the first option is to “buy a seat” for £1500 (paid in 3 x £500 installments at set stages over 12 month period if preferred) You can buy as many seats as you wish for your family and everyone who buys a seat will have their name engraved in a plaque which will be part of the entrance façade. Other long term and sponsorship investor packages will be available.

This new north stand is in no way connected to the east stand development, an entirely separate fans, trust and public funded community project.

Key factors. No planning will be refused, the club and council cannot veto a development at a community venue supported and financed by the public.

All net revenue gained by this development after costs, wages etc will be used directly for club matters, to sponsor another Kion Etete or even purchase players. No monies will go directly to the club owners other than match day seat ticket revenue.  All bar, restaurant, brewery sales, corporate sales and other revenue to be retained by venue management.

There is no other iconic entertainment venue in the area capable of staging large indoor events, the venue (during no football) will still have a licensed capacity of 2000 with the concourse and bar area offering a range of seating, standing and outside areas during normal use, it would be capable of hosting bands, seminars, meetings, plays, weddings a whole multitude of events. Sound or noise pollution not being an issue as with certain town centre venues, parking and access are also excellent, local residents not affected.

The venue would be open as any other licenced premises in the town and run as any broad based community pub an attractive place to visit with the eye catching brewery to one corner providing specialist premium products and full all day call order menu. A Derngate, Roadmender, King Billy, APH all rolled into one. The only difference would be climb the steps inside the venue and you would walk out onto the upper tier of the stand and glimpse the superb green grass below. (Attract new support?)

The design is a large welcoming versatile community space open every day, 365 days a year other than the obvious match day restrictions when it would open the doors to public again one hour after final whistle. 

A full venue management team in place, bar staff, kitchen staff, cleaners, just as I employed when running a licenced premises myself.

We’ve seen locals save pubs, post offices you name it well I do believe there are 2000 or more locals and not so local supporters who would want to place their name to this proud and permanent new venue and stand.

I may need some help however so if anyone at The Trust or anyone on here has relevant experience, do you want to make it happen this time?
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« Reply #29817 on: October 26, 2021, 08:11:42 am »

https://www.ballast-nedam.com/what-we-do/projects/2020/johan-cruijff-arena
Looks like Ballast Nedam are build stadiums again.
I bet they still have the expansion plans for the north stand.
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« Reply #29818 on: October 26, 2021, 08:23:20 am »

https://www.ballast-nedam.com/what-we-do/projects/2020/johan-cruijff-arena
Looks like Ballast Nedam are build stadiums again.
I bet they still have the expansion plans for the north stand.

Cheers mate. There's one image they have on this site that comes a tiny bit close!

I have discussed this idea with a few football watching hoteliers and bar owners here, some have run huge venues in London. Using that huge concourse space 365 days a year we can all see the potential of a venue this size but usable and as cosy as any pub when in normal day usage.

Think of a super Wetherspoons with 2000 odd seats on the roof!
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« Reply #29819 on: October 26, 2021, 08:41:53 am »

It’s not the time for separate ideas, the lads from the NHE need to work with the Trust we all need to join forces together for such a project. This plan is actually for a large licenced venue with a stand attached, not the other way around.

I’m absolutely serious about this but it would be a shame if I must return 6000 odd miles to push it. I can’t get back to the UK until next year but there’s no reason we couldn’t have a new community venue north stand in place and open for the 24/25 season.

Beds, I understand your desire for standing but the idea of rail standing on the upper tier will frighten the council and others. With this plan the lower tier will not have access to the upper tier they are separate entities, integrating the top tier with the concourse area for larger private events, non-football related only those who buy an upper ticket will have access. The existing lower tier would not be affected by this development and remain open throughout for the club to use as normal.

Once the exciting and captivating plans are complete (a smaller less attractive and less beneficial development will just not gain enough support) we need a prospectus for investors, a media campaign, launch and PR. When the ideas of this “Fans” stand gather media/social media attention it will fly. The Guardian are already poised to continue their story of Sixfields.

To be part of Cobblers history the first option is to “buy a seat” for £1500 (paid in 3 x £500 installments at set stages over 12 month period if preferred) You can buy as many seats as you wish for your family and everyone who buys a seat will have their name engraved in a plaque which will be part of the entrance façade. Other long term and sponsorship investor packages will be available.

This new north stand is in no way connected to the east stand development, an entirely separate fans, trust and public funded community project.

Key factors. No planning will be refused, the club and council cannot veto a development at a community venue supported and financed by the public.

All net revenue gained by this development after costs, wages etc will be used directly for club matters, to sponsor another Kion Etete or even purchase players. No monies will go directly to the club owners other than match day seat ticket revenue.  All bar, restaurant, brewery sales, corporate sales and other revenue to be retained by venue management.

There is no other iconic entertainment venue in the area capable of staging large indoor events, the venue (during no football) will still have a licensed capacity of 2000 with the concourse and bar area offering a range of seating, standing and outside areas during normal use, it would be capable of hosting bands, seminars, meetings, plays, weddings a whole multitude of events. Sound or noise pollution not being an issue as with certain town centre venues, parking and access are also excellent, local residents not affected.

The venue would be open as any other licenced premises in the town and run as any broad based community pub an attractive place to visit with the eye catching brewery to one corner providing specialist premium products and full all day call order menu. A Derngate, Roadmender, King Billy, APH all rolled into one. The only difference would be climb the steps inside the venue and you would walk out onto the upper tier of the stand and glimpse the superb green grass below. (Attract new support?)

The design is a large welcoming versatile community space open every day, 365 days a year other than the obvious match day restrictions when it would open the doors to public again one hour after final whistle. 

A full venue management team in place, bar staff, kitchen staff, cleaners, just as I employed when running a licenced premises myself.

We’ve seen locals save pubs, post offices you name it well I do believe there are 2000 or more locals and not so local supporters who would want to place their name to this proud and permanent new venue and stand.

I may need some help however so if anyone at The Trust or anyone on here has relevant experience, do you want to make it happen this time?

Couldn’t the club or new owners do this??
Why should supporters pay if they don’t own the club?

It’s like owning a pub on lease , spending money of your own doing it up and then it all reverts to the owners when the lease is up.

Spending money on something you don’t actually own is never sensible in my experience.

A nice idea but I’m out.
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