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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #30280 on: November 29, 2021, 04:50:52 am »

That can’t be right….
According to Beds, if you have an atmospheric professional ground which is capable of hosting league one football, you’ll be an instant success!
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Absolutely,  football is entertainment and the stadium is the theatre, hence why so many people are happy to pay good money to watch Rugby at the Saints and national and local businesses want to be associated  with their professionalism and first class facilities where only the hard core bother turn up regularly at a non league Sixfields setting.
 
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« Reply #30281 on: November 29, 2021, 05:00:46 am »

That's a naughty and largely meaningless geographical stat Pedjy  Grin
If you are going 40 miles east you are getting closer to Bristol and Bournemouth. It's a bit like saying that Aberystwyth is a potential sleeping footballing hotbed with little competition.
They are more into pasty's and clotted cream down there.

To support your point though, that is why I never buy our catchment argument. We have Leicester, Villa, Coventry, Watford, Oxford, P*sh, MK, Brum, Nottingham, Luton, North London...all an hour or less depending where you live in Northants. It would be generally interesting to know how many people regularly follow other teams who live in the county, because you can effectively cross them off. For example, my brother travels to Anfield.
You have to draw them in when they are kids and find a way to keep them coming back, which is difficult at our level.

All good points,  but having an exclusive 300,000 catchment within 10 miles of our club is pretty good and very ripe for the picking.
I noticed over the years clubs like Posh, wigan, Rotherham  Doncaster Bournemouth Brentford Watford, Plymouth etc, improve their average attendances after having a spell in the championship.
It would be great for us to reinvent ourselves with the town of Northampton... Firsrtly we just need to sort out the lack of infrastructure and the professionalism that we seriously lack.
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« Reply #30282 on: November 29, 2021, 05:10:14 am »

Hardly any of them run debt free. It’s just that some clubs are propped up by money put in by benefactors, rather than it being set against the clubs as loans. In fact, DC told me himself that our position would have appeared much worse had he not used his and his fathers money to keep the books clean.

I’m pretty sure he knew they would not get the loan, if the council thought it would pay off existing debt.
It must be over 20 years since we had any real benefactors of this sort to help out at the club, the land speculators couldn't be just handed money.
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« Reply #30283 on: November 29, 2021, 13:52:20 pm »

What a surprise.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-supporters-give-resounding-backing-for-east-stand-plans-at-sixfields-3475514
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« Reply #30284 on: November 29, 2021, 14:24:48 pm »

To be honest only 97% voted for it, the way it was worded, I thought it would be 100%.
            The problem I have is that, on 18th Nov, the Chairman says " "Given what went on before our time at the club and to ensure transparency it is only right the club's plans are available online, the WNC independent report is also available plus the briefing to Council members, therefore all of the information is in the public domain for supporters and the wider community to view."
      But the CEO, on 23rd Nov, says, in response to an email " These are not the final designs and are subject to ongoing conversations on best use of the space. The final design will reflect the best usage for the club and the extent of kitchens, cellars, toilets etc will be determined and confirmed in the final stages."
      So the way I read this is that "We have the plans available for viewing online, but we might not build what is on the plans" Surely it would have been better to ask the fans to vote on what WILL be built as opposed to what MIGHT be built ?
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« Reply #30285 on: November 29, 2021, 14:51:33 pm »

I’m loving these votes

Do you think we will have one in January asking if we should spend some cash on a couple of goalscoring strikers or carry on with free transfer players or short term loan fixes that are of zero benefit to the long term on field future of the club……?

Im not sure we will…..
Just like I’m unconvinced that any redevelopment will be completed by the present owners.

Just my hunch although I’d be delighted to be proved wrong on both points.
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« Reply #30286 on: November 29, 2021, 15:05:47 pm »

To be fair, the matter now sits 100% in the hands of the council for now…..fab.
Don’t hold your breath.
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« Reply #30287 on: November 29, 2021, 15:08:00 pm »

Sweet Jesus how desperate can you get, the statement is intrinsically incorrect, the question was basically, do you want the stand finished, yes or no.
It had nothing to do with the half finished plans that will be finalised in the later stages.
TOM CLIFFE YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE THE FANS REP NOT A GLOVE PUPPET FOR THE OWNER.
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« Reply #30288 on: November 29, 2021, 15:30:12 pm »

TOM CLIFFE YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE THE FANS REP NOT A GLOVE PUPPET FOR THE OWNER.
He's representing the 2,385 not the 57.
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« Reply #30289 on: November 29, 2021, 15:32:14 pm »

Sweet Jesus how desperate can you get, the statement is intrinsically incorrect, the question was basically, do you want the stand finished, yes or no.
It had nothing to do with the half finished plans that will be finalised in the later stages.
TOM CLIFFE YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE THE FANS REP NOT A GLOVE PUPPET FOR THE OWNER.

Going back to what I said when they launched the survey...
I don't think the club are doing themselves a massive favour with this as the likes of Tony Clarke are already banging on about this being an over simplistic insult to the supporters.

To be fair, they are presenting all the documents together and asking "do you agree with these?", so it is a pretty binary answer, but I can't help but think there should be a free text field with it so people can clarify why it is they don't agree with it or to add any caveats if they do.


So while I don't think it was the best survey in the world, certainly the impression I took from it wasn't just "do you want it finished, yes or no" it was more "here's what we're proposing, do you agree with those proposals, yes or no"

I also think you are being unfair to Tom. He might not be representing your views as a fan, but I believe he is representing the view of the majority in his comments.
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« Reply #30290 on: November 29, 2021, 15:36:00 pm »

All good points,  but having an exclusive 300,000 catchment within 10 miles of our club is pretty good and very ripe for the picking.
I noticed over the years clubs like Posh, wigan, Rotherham  Doncaster Bournemouth Brentford Watford, Plymouth etc, improve their average attendances after having a spell in the championship.
It would be great for us to reinvent ourselves with the town of Northampton... Firsrtly we just need to sort out the lack of infrastructure and the professionalism that we seriously lack.
Exclusive 300,000 catchment.
How many more times are you going quote that absolute fantasy stat.
No part of the UK or the planet is exclusive otherwise you wouldn't have United fans in Thailand.
Give it a rest please.
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« Reply #30291 on: November 29, 2021, 16:25:08 pm »

Going back to what I said when they launched the survey...
So while I don't think it was the best survey in the world, certainly the impression I took from it wasn't just "do you want it finished, yes or no" it was more "here's what we're proposing, do you agree with those proposals, yes or no"

I also think you are being unfair to Tom. He might not be representing your views as a fan, but I believe he is representing the view of the majority in his comments.
Tom was always going to be compromised because he works for the club.
The fans rep is there to hold the chairman’s feet to the fire not to be his cheerleader.
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« Reply #30292 on: November 29, 2021, 16:28:32 pm »

He's representing the 2,385 not the 57.
Emmmm think your missing the point, as a fans rep you’d be more interested why the 57 voted no.
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« Reply #30293 on: November 29, 2021, 16:37:14 pm »


It's the way they tell 'em! Hahahahahaha.
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« Reply #30294 on: November 29, 2021, 16:50:09 pm »

Tom was always going to be compromised because he works for the club.


In your eyes maybe but, that is an unfair accusation against the integrity of the democratically elected, Supporters Representative of the NTFC Board of Directors.
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« Reply #30295 on: November 29, 2021, 16:58:21 pm »

Emmmm think your missing the point, as a fans rep you’d be more interested why the 57 voted no.

No, never going to please everyone. If it was closer to 50/50 then yes you’d need to see what the key issues are to get a result one way or the other. I would say 98% is clear enough.
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« Reply #30296 on: November 29, 2021, 16:58:43 pm »

Emmmm think your missing the point, as a fans rep you’d be more interested why the 57 voted no.

Tom Cliffe was voted in by the fans to represent them!

2,385 made their own minds up to vote for the proposal yet Manwork still peddles his relentless anti-KT opinion.....laughable!!!

DEMOCRACY.
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« Reply #30297 on: November 29, 2021, 17:13:34 pm »

People can say what they like. A significant chunk of our support felt it worthy of a vote. But the same old faces will tell you unless you agree with them, you’re clueless. I doubt if those opposed to it (who we will know most of them) could muster 1% of that accord, or even feel they need to consider anyone else.

In terms of Tom Cliffe. I’d rather not dignify some of the things said about him, by responding to it.

The problem for some, is that like it or not, the overwhelming majority of our support are behind the clubs plans. I’m sure they could have enjoyed a lot more respect, had some of them shown any degree of inclusivity.

I’m looking forward to work starting and also Steve Massey's proposal.. Positive and exciting times.
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« Reply #30298 on: November 29, 2021, 17:44:27 pm »

Ok - the poll was frankly nonsense and the result a foregone conclusion - however I already see on other forums the usual suspects are implying that fans who voted yes are ignorant or thick - so once again these individuals show their inability to influence the majority is only surpassed by their arrogance (have you ever changed someone's Brexit decision by telling them they are thick or misinformed?).
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« Reply #30299 on: November 29, 2021, 18:26:11 pm »

The problem for some, is that like it or not, the overwhelming majority of our support are behind the clubs plans.
Not strictly speaking true. How many fans does the club have on it's database?
Even if you disregard those that haven't pitched up a Sixfields for years I would still guess that considerably less than 50% of active fans voted in favour of this loaded binary poll.
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