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« Reply #30440 on: December 01, 2021, 15:21:20 pm »

Latest trust update regarding this...

West Northamptonshire Council has confirmed there will be a special meeting to discuss the Sixfields East Stand and land deal.
It is not known as yet whether the special meeting, likely to be held at Northampton's Guildhall, will be held before Christmas or carried over into the New Year.
Consequently, the full council and cabinet meetings - which were due to decide on the deal within the next week - will now not be discussing the stand and land plans.
Given the history of the issue and its complexity, the Supporters Trust welcomes the decision to hold a special meeting which was called for by the Labour and Liberal Democrat groups on the council.
We support a deal that completes the East Stand to a satisfactory standard as a matter of urgency, but the deal must protect the original footprint of the club's land which is subject to an Asset of Community Value (ACV) registration.
And also protect the long-term viability of Northampton Town FC which, like the other premier sports clubs in the town, is an asset to the town and its community.


Great stuff, well done the Trust.
Protecting the club we love is front and centre of any deal.
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« Reply #30441 on: December 01, 2021, 15:45:01 pm »

Latest trust update regarding this...

West Northamptonshire Council has confirmed there will be a special meeting to discuss the Sixfields East Stand and land deal.
It is not known as yet whether the special meeting, likely to be held at Northampton's Guildhall, will be held before Christmas or carried over into the New Year.
Consequently, the full council and cabinet meetings - which were due to decide on the deal within the next week - will now not be discussing the stand and land plans.
Given the history of the issue and its complexity, the Supporters Trust welcomes the decision to hold a special meeting which was called for by the Labour and Liberal Democrat groups on the council.
We support a deal that completes the East Stand to a satisfactory standard as a matter of urgency, but the deal must protect the original footprint of the club's land which is subject to an Asset of Community Value (ACV) registration.
And also protect the long-term viability of Northampton Town FC which, like the other premier sports clubs in the town, is an asset to the town and its community.


Was the original footprint of the clubs land (ACV), the football ground and the perimeter of the athletics track ground?
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« Reply #30442 on: December 01, 2021, 16:07:21 pm »

The ACV does include the athletics track but I'm not sure what relevance the ACV has to the plans.
All that the ACV means is if the ACV land isnt part of the stadium footprint and part of the land they want to sell they need to give the Trust 6 months to raise the funds, but still don't actually have to sell it to them.
Interestingly the ACV will expire Feb 2024 (unless renewed), I wonder if that's a reason that KT wanted longer to complete the stadium prior to purchasing the development land.
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« Reply #30443 on: December 01, 2021, 16:44:40 pm »

Was the original footprint of the clubs land (ACV), the football ground and the perimeter of the athletics track ground?

The site plan for the Sixfields ACV can be viewed here.

https://www.northampton.gov.uk/downloads/download/3722/assets-of-community-value---sixfields-stadium-plan
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« Reply #30444 on: December 01, 2021, 17:27:02 pm »

The ACV does include the athletics track but I'm not sure what relevance the ACV has to the plans.
All that the ACV means is if the ACV land isnt part of the stadium footprint and part of the land they want to sell they need to give the Trust 6 months to raise the funds, but still don't actually have to sell it to them.
Interestingly the ACV will expire Feb 2024 (unless renewed), I wonder if that's a reason that KT wanted longer to complete the stadium prior to purchasing the development land.
I am not aware of a sport you can play in an industrial warehouse so I guess that could be a bit of an issue.
I fully expect the trust to look at extending the ACV at their earliest convenience.
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« Reply #30445 on: December 01, 2021, 17:46:37 pm »


Thank you...
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« Reply #30446 on: December 01, 2021, 19:05:48 pm »

Beds, out of interest what do you see as being achievable short term and also long term (lets say an established Championship team, at least one that has the odd season in the championship) with regards to average attendance out of the 300,000 catchment.

Personally, stadium constraints aside, I don't see an average much above 8,000 outside of the championship, I would then say 12,000 - 14,000 in the championship. That's based on this years averages, I would say we'll be better supported than P*sh but less than Birmingham.
Good points, What I see is that its unbelievable that ntfc have failed to grow its product these past two decades at a time where football became its most popular.
Look at Posh, 20 years ago they were on the bones of there arses but got in owners who WANTED them to grow, and now unrecognisable, where we have managed to go backwards.
I'm under no illusions that had Cardoza/Thomas never darkened our door we would be a match with and maybe bettering the likes of Posh, Rotherham Doncaster Luton Wigan Swansea Plymouth Mk Lincoln etc, etc, We would be bursting the seams at an exciting looking 12000 capacity Sixfields with regularity.
Its amazing to think that an outsider who probably didn't even know where Northampton was or had never been to, became an expert in what it was that he thought we needed,  and to our civic shame, some of our supporters lapped up this spouted 5hite.
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« Reply #30447 on: December 01, 2021, 19:29:17 pm »

The problem is which has been pointed out to you on many occasions is thatfrom the mid 60s onwards the population of Northampton and the surrounding areas grew rapidly(the population increase was C5,000p.a.) with an influx of people from around the country predominently London (most of them moved to London N99 on the Eastern). With them came all sorts of deluded fools who were supporters of London clubs who were playing in the highest division and this family tradition is passed from father to son(apart from one case I know where the lad started to support Spurs just to wind his Hammers fan Dad up).
The latest figures for the population of the town is 224,610 (mid-2019 est.). Now you go on about catchment area, so how far down up the A43 do you go before you hit Kettering land? How far down the M1 before you hit Donkeyland? Birmingham, Coventry and Leicester have a good supporter base in the north and north west of the county
Lieceseter to the left of us Dimones to the right, stuck in the middle with you.
Not sure from what angle you're coming from, but, all I want to see is an established L1 club with ambition of taking the next step up, playing in an exciting stadium that holds 12000 to allow just a tiny 2.5% upto 3% proportion of its vast catchment to attend regularly allowing upto 3000 visitors,  space permitting.
I don't care where these fans parents migrated from, be it London, the commonwealth or Ireland like my parents did in 1957, I was born in 1961, my first game in 1966 then regularly from 1970..
Football is entertainment,  the Stadium is its theatre and if it looks professional, fans will flock.
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« Reply #30448 on: December 01, 2021, 19:29:44 pm »

I'm under no illusions that had Cardoza/Thomas never darkened our door we would be a match with and maybe bettering the likes of Posh, Rotherham Doncaster Luton Wigan Swansea Plymouth Mk Lincoln etc, etc, We would be bursting the seams at an exciting looking 12000 capacity Sixfields with regularity.

Ah the wisdom of a man who can go back in time, change history and predict the future...............
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« Reply #30449 on: December 01, 2021, 19:41:19 pm »

I think the price point has an impact. The Saints can command it as itís Premiership sport.
Paying £60+ (on tickets alone) to sit and watch League One and League Two teams isnít going to happen on a regular basis for most families. Take that down to the single person and if you are parking and having a coffee youíre up to a £30 trip out for a couple of hours.
Reasonably priced STís in a bigger stadium is our best bet.
Having a bigger ground and cheaper match day prices could also boost attendances and revenue. Thereís a sweet spot somewhere. As it is I doubt the prices could be adjusted much to boost the coffers and Iím sure they do their sums.
Iíd still try a few packages to test it outÖ5 for £100 as an example, or buy 5 get one free.
Iím sure theyíll be some larger grounds possibly in the Prem and Championship with prices not too far off ours.
These elusive people within the catchment will only come if you dangle the carrot and not because itís the Cobblers.
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« Reply #30450 on: December 01, 2021, 19:44:07 pm »

Ah the wisdom of a man who can go back in time, change history and predict the future...............
I called out Thomas in his first month  when he started pouring cold water on his promised £4m redevelopment...Belittling our club and its redevelopment needs, was how I put it. I suspected he was burying the bad news at a time when most of our fans were on their hands and knees kissing his ar5e...
Dont believe me? See 7000 pages back😂😉

Cardoza was a strange one, he would say the right things for the first 5 years, he spent money on the team, all was good,  but then the old building of vast debts without improving anything appeared like it has again, It was then he started making my pi55 boil.

If you're reading this Tom Cliff, I must apologise as I've taken over your role as the voice of the fans. 😂😂
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« Reply #30451 on: December 01, 2021, 19:51:10 pm »

I called out Thomas in his first month  when he started pouring cold water on his promised £4m redevelopment...Belittling our club and its redevelopment needs, was how I put it. I suspected he was burying the bad news at a time when most of our fans were on their hands and knees kissing his ar5e...
Dont believe me? See 7000 pages back😂😉

Cardoza was a strange one, he would say the right things for the first 5 years, he spent money on the team, all was good,  but then the old building of vast debts without improving anything appeared like it has again, It was then he started making my pi55 boil.

If you're reading this Tom Cliff, I must apologise as I've taken over your role as the voice of the fans. 😂😂

I'm not arguing with your views on DC & KT or suggesting I'm grateful for them keeping the club afloat etc etc  - I'm simply saying no one can be certain it would have been better without them. DC has long gone, KT probably too in the not to distant future and between the two of them a giant opportunity missed but isn't it time to focus on the future rather than banging the same old drum?
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« Reply #30452 on: December 01, 2021, 19:51:30 pm »

The ACV does include the athletics track but I'm not sure what relevance the ACV has to the plans.
All that the ACV means is if the ACV land isnt part of the stadium footprint and part of the land they want to sell they need to give the Trust 6 months to raise the funds, but still don't actually have to sell it to them.
Interestingly the ACV will expire Feb 2024 (unless renewed), I wonder if that's a reason that KT wanted longer to complete the stadium prior to purchasing the development land.

The council slides on the potential deal also references a break clause in the lease in 2024. If I was Thomas/DB Iíd be very mindful of this as a risk. If I was on the council and in particular anyone involved in taking their eye off the ball during CDNL administration Iíd also be keeping an eye on this bit.
Maybe Iím misinterpreting it but it must have some relevance and leverage.
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« Reply #30453 on: December 01, 2021, 19:58:54 pm »

I'm not arguing with your views on DC & KT or suggesting I'm grateful for them keeping the club afloat etc etc  - I'm simply saying no one can be certain it would have been better without them. DC has long gone, KT probably too in the not to distant future and between the two of them a giant opportunity missed but isn't it time to focus on the future rather than banging the same old drum?

But the future would appear to be £7m in debt now, plus another £4m to complete the stand, plus £1m to buy the land....£12m, and the club saying that the boxes and new facilities would bring in £250k per year extra, yet still see the club running at a 500k loss per year.

The club would tell you that over 97% of its fans are happy with that scenario playing out!
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« Reply #30454 on: December 01, 2021, 20:09:57 pm »

But the future would appear to be £7m in debt now, plus another £4m to complete the stand, plus £1m to buy the land....£12m, and the club saying that the boxes and new facilities would bring in £250k per year extra, yet still see the club running at a 500k loss per year.

The club would tell you that over 97% of its fans are happy with that scenario playing out!

So how are we going to change that? - the council seem to have no desire to put any additional clauses on the land sale other than completion of the very mediocre stand. Iím not sure I understand the full implications of debt issue as clearly there is no way anyone buying the club in the future is going to assume that debt - itís not like a debt to a bank, HMRC or typical business creditors. I havenít got the answers here nor for the record am I happy about the missed opportunity (although I think that ship sailed when the £10 million was stolen).
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« Reply #30455 on: December 01, 2021, 20:14:00 pm »

I think the price point has an impact. The Saints can command it as itís Premiership sport.
Paying £60+ (on tickets alone) to sit and watch League One and League Two teams isnít going to happen on a regular basis for most families. Take that down to the single person and if you are parking and having a coffee youíre up to a £30 trip out for a couple of hours.
Reasonably priced STís in a bigger stadium is our best bet.
Having a bigger ground and cheaper match day prices could also boost attendances and revenue. Thereís a sweet spot somewhere. As it is I doubt the prices could be adjusted much to boost the coffers and Iím sure they do their sums.
Iíd still try a few packages to test it outÖ5 for £100 as an example, or buy 5 get one free.
Iím sure theyíll be some larger grounds possibly in the Prem and Championship with prices not too far off ours.
These elusive people within the catchment will only come if you dangle the carrot and not because itís the Cobblers.
I agree with a lot of this, £24 on the day is a much too higher price for League 2 football. But NTFC use zero marketing when it comes to the average fan. last week did they consider an offer like buy an Oldham ticket and get £10 off the Orient match ? No it never crossed their minds. When you do get people in to Sixfields do we do a "happy hour" in Carrs Bar to get them in early ? No we only have one TV working, beer at over a £1 a pint dearer than our competitors and , last Tuesday, the far end of the bar had the shutters down and a load of chairs stacked in front of it because someone couldn't be arsed to stack them in the corridor 5 yards away !!! Even Prem clubs like West Ham do "happy hours" to get the fans in their bars so they get the profit.
     No food in Carrs Bar, why not ? Put up 4 decent sized TV's (less than £400 each at Tesco) and get BT Sports, at least try to make it feel like a "sports bar" Put an awning up over the outside bit, properly cost around £1K but you could sell the advertising space on it for that. Will they try any of these, or other, idea's , no because the would cost a small amount of money and NTFC only want to spend the absolute minimum , no speculate to accumulate here !!!
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« Reply #30456 on: December 01, 2021, 20:41:13 pm »

I am not aware of a sport you can play in an industrial warehouse so I guess that could be a bit of an issue.
I fully expect the trust to look at extending the ACV at their earliest convenience.
Happy to be corrected by the Trust but I donít believe the ACV mandates the land has to be for sport, just to benefit the community. So a car park for example  Cheesy Tongue
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« Reply #30457 on: December 01, 2021, 20:45:56 pm »

I'm not arguing with your views on DC & KT or suggesting I'm grateful for them keeping the club afloat etc etc  - I'm simply saying no one can be certain it would have been better without them. DC has long gone, KT probably too in the not to distant future and between the two of them a giant opportunity missed but isn't it time to focus on the future rather than banging the same old drum?
Absolutely,  it's all about the future... Without land obsessed ownership and one we need to get the best deal in order to make the best of it after the past 2 wasted decades
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« Reply #30458 on: December 01, 2021, 20:47:34 pm »

Happy to be corrected by the Trust but I donít believe the ACV mandates the land has to be for sport, just to benefit the community. So a car park for example  Cheesy Tongue
An Asset of Community Value is defined as:
      "A building or other land is an asset of community value if its main use has recently been or is presently used to further the social wellbeing or social interests of the local community and could do so in the future. The Localism Act states that Ďsocial interestsí include cultural, recreational and sporting interests."
    So I doubt you could go from a football ground to a Car Park
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« Reply #30459 on: December 01, 2021, 20:54:25 pm »

Apologies I did think it might not be clear. The stadium has to remain a stadium but there arenít any stipulations about the land the athletics stadium was on.
I guess the point Iím making badly is I donít believe the proposals contravene the ACV, unless they try to sell some of the land that is under the ACV.

Edit: although itís not actually the ACV that means it has to remain a stadium. The ACV has an influence on planning applications, which have been agreed in principle (although that principle seems to be waning somewhat)
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