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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #34800 on: August 21, 2022, 09:55:29 am »

Perhaps I should reword it. Tom Cliffe is a democratically appointed representative. Not a co-opted individual. So his appointment was endorsed and supported by the fans. That, in my opinion, is the appropriate process for appointment individuals. Of course there are other methods of appointing representatives. I just prefer the process to be via the overall support. Do you prefer other methods?
FWIW I agree Tel, unfortunately you spoiled it by mentioning the utterly invisible and letís face it pretty useless Tom Cliffe.
Iím sure Tom is a nice guy BUT he is definitely not the man for the fans rep job, KT wanted a yes man and got his wish.
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« Reply #34801 on: August 21, 2022, 09:57:38 am »

The way I see this playing out is once the owners take all the 23 acres of prime located land at Sixfields they will possibly levy  the £7,000,000 debt they built up by not having to finishing the East stand then selling the club for the £1 they paid for it.

Is this too simplistic, even if grossly unfair on Northampton's football club?
It's got to run it's course soon so what do others think will be the exit strategy and what will NTFC look like entering a brave new dawn?
I've conceded NTFC getting anything good from this drawn out farce, we can only hope change comes quickly.


The very best we can hope for is a debt free club, and a horrendous Mickey Mouse stand.
One hell of a missed opportunity for the club, but hey ho most of our fans seem to think KT and DB are our saviours.
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« Reply #34802 on: August 21, 2022, 10:08:11 am »

FWIW I agree Tel, unfortunately you spoiled it by mentioning the utterly invisible and letís face it pretty useless Tom Cliffe.
Iím sure Tom is a nice guy BUT he is definitely not the man for the fans rep job, KT wanted a yes man and got his wish.

Each to their own, but personally I'd rather be represented by a democratically elected individual who uses quiet diplomacy to achieve his aims rather than a bunch of co-opted militants and their hangers on chucking rocks from the sidelines.
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« Reply #34803 on: August 21, 2022, 10:22:59 am »

The way I see this playing out is once the owners take all the 23 acres of prime located land at Sixfields they will possibly levy  the £7,000,000 debt they built up by not having to finishing the East stand then selling the club for the £1 they paid for it.

Is this too simplistic, even if grossly unfair on Northampton's football club?
It's got to run it's course soon so what do others think will be the exit strategy and what will NTFC look like entering a brave new dawn?
I've conceded NTFC getting anything good from this drawn out farce, we can only hope change comes quickly.


Once they have had the return on the land they will probably leave. Then it is all down to who comes next, their financial clout and their appetite to gŗmble with it. It could well be a brave new dawn, or alternatively a final sunset, who knows. If your right and this is a fantastic investment opportunity, with a huge catchment area containing an army of potential supporters ready to come flocking to a purpose built stadium as we climb the divisions then Iím sure we have nothing to fear. I hope your right, I really do.
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« Reply #34804 on: August 21, 2022, 11:54:44 am »

I keep saying it
 "Ask KT to put it in writing that he will finish the East Stand when he gets the land deal ",
If he does that , all well and good, but if he won't do it, surely everybody will be able to see the outcome, which will be land sold, debt repaid, no stand built and no land left apart from the running track (ACV) land which will go back to WNC for £1 if whoever takes on the club fails to finish the stand within 5 years. Doesn't look good does it ?
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« Reply #34805 on: August 21, 2022, 12:29:47 pm »

A quick scour of my email inbox shows the Trust last held an AGM, which was done over Zoom, in February this year.

Thank you Fez, could you answer the other questions too please?
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« Reply #34806 on: August 21, 2022, 12:34:16 pm »

Each to their own, but personally I'd rather be represented by a democratically elected individual who uses quiet diplomacy to achieve his aims rather than a bunch of co-opted militants and their hangers on chucking rocks from the sidelines.


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« Reply #34807 on: August 21, 2022, 13:15:58 pm »

Thank you Fez, could you answer the other questions too please?
Much appreciated
I'm afraid you'll have to ask the Trust those questions Glen.

I'm not a board member and haven't been for four years, and don't know the answers to your other questions.

Thought I'd help you with the one that I do know though  Smiley

Suspect emailing on ntfctrust1992@gmail.com will be the best option.

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« Reply #34808 on: August 21, 2022, 13:49:49 pm »

FWIW I agree Tel, unfortunately you spoiled it by mentioning the utterly invisible and letís face it pretty useless Tom Cliffe.
Iím sure Tom is a nice guy BUT he is definitely not the man for the fans rep job, KT wanted a yes man and got his wish.
anybody could have stood and anybody could have voted. you did neither
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« Reply #34809 on: August 21, 2022, 13:50:06 pm »

That's not quite true is it? How do you explain the bumper Wembley appearances or the huge turn out on the championship parade? The greater the success the greater the support.
only simpletons refer to a game 25 years ago as some sort of example of what could be.
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« Reply #34810 on: August 21, 2022, 14:06:32 pm »

It just amazes me that we have post after post, did the Trust hold an AGM, how many board members are co-opted, did you vote for Tom Cliffe ? All questions that in the big scheme of things mean nothing. Yet no one seems bothered that the "No Stand, No Land" has been removed from the deal for CDNL to buy the land, in the big scheme of NTFC's future means hell of a lot
 Ask yourself why has this been removed, WNC wouldn't remove it surely, Sixfields is, after all, their asset, so why would it be removed by CDNL  they were going to build the Stand ?
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« Reply #34811 on: August 21, 2022, 14:16:40 pm »

It just amazes me that we have post after post, did the Trust hold an AGM, how many board members are co-opted, did you vote for Tom Cliffe ? All questions that in the big scheme of things mean nothing. Yet no one seems bothered that the "No Stand, No Land" has been removed from the deal for CDNL to buy the land, in the big scheme of NTFC's future means hell of a lot
 Ask yourself why has this been removed, WNC wouldn't remove it surely, Sixfields is, after all, their asset, so why would it be removed by CDNL  they were going to build the Stand ?
First post Iíve seen about the AGM and co-opted members.
Responded to quickly by Fez who is no longer anything to do with the Trust or co opted I assume.
Usual deflection back to the owners response from you though Rog, you, whose also not on the Trusts board?
If itís right the Trust asks questions of the club, why canít the fans, that the Trusts supposed to represent, get open answers from it?
Join the Trust.
Email the Trust.
Iím not part of the Trust etc
If Manwork can dig at Tom, why canít the Trusts board members, answer these questions on here publicly?
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« Reply #34812 on: August 21, 2022, 14:25:38 pm »

First post Iíve seen about the AGM and co-opted members.
Responded to quickly by Fez who is no longer anything to do with the Trust or co opted I assume.
Usual deflection back to the owners response from you though Rog, you, whose also not on the Trusts board?
If itís right the Trust asks questions of the club, why canít the fans, that the Trusts supposed to represent, get open answers from it?
Join the Trust.
Email the Trust.
Iím not part of the Trust etc
If Manwork can dig at Tom, why canít the Trusts board members, answer these questions on here publicly?
Why donít you just ask them?
mailto:ntfctrust1992@gmail.com
Donít be scared now!
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« Reply #34813 on: August 21, 2022, 14:31:08 pm »

It just amazes me that we have post after post, did the Trust hold an AGM, how many board members are co-opted, did you vote for Tom Cliffe ? All questions that in the big scheme of things mean nothing. Yet no one seems bothered that the "No Stand, No Land" has been removed from the deal for CDNL to buy the land, in the big scheme of NTFC's future means hell of a lot
 Ask yourself why has this been removed, WNC wouldn't remove it surely, Sixfields is, after all, their asset, so why would it be removed by CDNL  they were going to build the Stand ?

The reason it doesnít get any airplay Rog, is because itís got nothing to do with the club. It is a glaring omission by the council, but not in any way the clubs fault. Yes, they must have been over the moon when it wasnít a prerequisite to any deal, but there was no way anyone wishing to do anything with land would argue for that type of caveat to be reintroduced once it was omitted. I still donít understand it, but in no way do I blame them..

On the other hand, the reason there is some questions around whether or not the Trust is acting in accordance with its own constitution, is simply because they have based a huge amount of their mantra on the adherence to due process. If they are within the confines of the rules of their model, then fine. But it would be totally appropriate to highlight any hypocrisy if it exists. For a long time now we have endured a situation where if something is irregular at the club, the usual suspects (as they are perfectly entitled to) crop up and remind us of it. Surely you would prefer a level playing field with these things.

Just a simple post by a current Trust board member, naming the current board members and how they were instated would clear it up. Surely thatís not too hard of a question for what is a supporters representative..
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« Reply #34814 on: August 21, 2022, 14:35:33 pm »

Why donít you just ask them?
mailto:ntfctrust1992@gmail.com
Donít be scared now!

Or just update this

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/our-board

In the spirit of transparency.

I donít see why itís not current.
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« Reply #34815 on: August 21, 2022, 15:02:41 pm »

From Oxford United's Yellows Forum;

I had the same thing happen to me when I tried telling everybody that Kelvin Thomas wasnít the messiah and was in fact running the club into the ground, to the point that someone once tried to physically assault me at a game, and it eventually came out that I was right after he was banished virtually overnight by IL. Iíve been here before.
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« Reply #34816 on: August 21, 2022, 15:03:50 pm »

The reason it doesnít get any airplay Rog, is because itís got nothing to do with the club. It is a glaring omission by the council, but not in any way the clubs fault.
Are you really sure about this ? I have recently heard different to this.



Just a simple post by a current Trust board member, naming the current board members and how they were instated would clear it up. Surely thatís not too hard of a question for what is a supporters representative.
I agree with you on this, about updating, but as you know, if there are not more people than allowed standing to be elected, there is no election, nothing sinister at all and all above board
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« Reply #34817 on: August 21, 2022, 15:22:53 pm »

Or just update this

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/our-board

In the spirit of transparency.

I donít see why itís not current.

It's not current because nobody updates the website....pretty simple!! I believe that Drilling (former Board member) updates it on request, however it is pretty much out of date apart from the news releases.

As per this article https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/report-of-trust-agm---thursday-10-february  the current board members are those shown on the website plus the three named in the report of the AGM.
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« Reply #34818 on: August 21, 2022, 15:49:30 pm »

It's not current because nobody updates the website....pretty simple!! I believe that Drilling (former Board member) updates it on request, however it is pretty much out of date apart from the news releases.

As per this article https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/report-of-trust-agm---thursday-10-february  the current board members are those shown on the website plus the three named in the report of the AGM.

Thanks for that Grange. So how many co-opted members does that mean now? 

Itís not a trick question. I genuinely donít want to use the info for anything sinister, you have my word on that. Not even if it isnít accurate to the model rules. It is purely to understand who is actually appointing the board. Is it the members, or the board members. That is something that does matter in my opinion.
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« Reply #34819 on: August 21, 2022, 15:53:03 pm »

What I was saying Roger about the omission of the stand must be built section of the agreement is simple.

Even if the club requested its omission, the council took it out. So they are at fault. Whilst I agree with you that it should still be there, it canít be the clubs fault that it was taken out.
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