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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #41840 on: December 08, 2023, 15:58:50 pm »

Great post, although Iím not sure how they could ask the members if it was a deal under a non disclosure agreement?

Well to begin with don't sign a non-disclosure agreement on the first place. 
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« Reply #41841 on: December 08, 2023, 16:03:00 pm »

Itíll all be irrelevant later when I win the very big Euromillions jackpot and spunk a load on the Teyn. Rebuild the home end in the style of the Hotel End complete with open air bogs.

Iíll let you know my plans in the morning after Iíve checked my numbers and spoke to Tony Mahoney about the micro brewery.

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« Reply #41842 on: December 08, 2023, 17:14:45 pm »

I think we need a vote on whether itís a stupid idea.
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« Reply #41843 on: December 08, 2023, 17:45:34 pm »

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I would say you need help! Laughing at your own post - which isn't funny in the slightest! It's you and a few hyaenas on the perfifory that bang on about the trust not asking for a vote or members' views...then laugh at your own post ffs!
Do remind me when you last attended a game, home or away!
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« Reply #41844 on: December 08, 2023, 18:00:14 pm »

I would say you need help! Laughing at your own post - which isn't funny in the slightest! It's you and a few hyaenas on the perfifory that bang on about the trust not asking for a vote or members' views...then laugh at your own post ffs!
Do remind me when you last attended a game, home or away!
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« Reply #41845 on: December 08, 2023, 20:51:11 pm »

Interesting conversations around the Trust in the last couple of pages, especially around breaching the non disclosure agreement. Personally I would argue that the Trust shouldnít be entering into negotiations regarding something that has one, the model doesnít allow it. It might not be ideal but you canít be all things to all people. In any event how many times has this occurred in the Trusts entire history, once? And they shouldnít really have gone down that route anyway IMO.

With regards to putting decisions to the vote, Iíve stated this before. You canít put everything to the vote because some if not most decisions are too trivial, so you only do it with the really important ones. The problem is, who gets to decide what the really important ones are? The answer is to let the members decide. After each meeting you publish any decisions that have been taken as a part of a commitment to transparency. There is then a set period before they become ratified, say a couple of weeks. During this time if a predetermined number of members object to the decision through an objection process on the Trust website, say 20, then this would trigger a vote. Realistically how many votes would be triggered in an average year? It also wouldnít matter how partisan or lob sided the Board was with regards to opinion. The Board of the Trust would then be completely accountable and all of this criticism and in fighting goes away, all of it.

I think there is a place for the Trust more than ever. With the pending legislation the Trust give the supporters a collective voice. If we had 3 or 4000 active members the owners might not listen, but the politicians might. Itís all about picking your battles and  deciding who with, but it has to be with the collective endorsement of the members, either directly or by default.
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« Reply #41846 on: December 08, 2023, 21:52:19 pm »

It's not documented as it was said to myself and another former Trust board member when we met him before he bought the club. We weren't happy about the situation but he said he was going to finish the stand so we did what we thought was best for NTFC. He said they never held "formal" board meetings just zoom calls.
I think the zoom thing is or was probably right. Genuine question, thereís always something that has intrigued me about the stepping aside thing in your previous posts. In the BBC interview KT stated they had 4 million to invest and whilst he didnít really commit, he indicated it was a 4 or 5 year plan. He also indicated he wanted to finish the stand. Now given itís fairly common knowledge that a L2 club loses a million a year, more in L1, and given the stand would cost a few million, you donít need a calculator to work out that budget doesnít really work. So on that basis Iím wondering why those other interested parties stepped aside so readily. Itís genuinely not a criticism, but somethingís not right, especially that budget and timeframe, as the owners have found out.
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« Reply #41847 on: December 09, 2023, 08:35:20 am »

I think the zoom thing is or was probably right. Genuine question, thereís always something that has intrigued me about the stepping aside thing in your previous posts. In the BBC interview KT stated they had 4 million to invest and whilst he didnít really commit, he indicated it was a 4 or 5 year plan. He also indicated he wanted to finish the stand. Now given itís fairly common knowledge that a L2 club loses a million a year, more in L1, and given the stand would cost a few million, you donít need a calculator to work out that budget doesnít really work. So on that basis Iím wondering why those other interested parties stepped aside so readily. Itís genuinely not a criticism, but somethingís not right, especially that budget and timeframe, as the owners have found out.

I don't think you need a calculator to work out that he quoted his " ring fenced" figure to "finish the stand", to gain control of the football club/land to make a large profit and ride off into the sunset, allegedly. Didn't quite work out as simply as that though. Maybe if they'd done what they said they were going to do in the first place, they'd have got their money years ago and this thread would only have half as many pages and people wouldn't have written so many laborious posts about the rights and wrongs of moaning about it.
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« Reply #41848 on: December 09, 2023, 08:51:27 am »

Indeed! 👍
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« Reply #41849 on: December 09, 2023, 09:04:05 am »

I think the zoom thing is or was probably right. Genuine question, thereís always something that has intrigued me about the stepping aside thing in your previous posts. In the BBC interview KT stated they had 4 million to invest and whilst he didnít really commit, he indicated it was a 4 or 5 year plan. He also indicated he wanted to finish the stand. Now given itís fairly common knowledge that a L2 club loses a million a year, more in L1, and given the stand would cost a few million, you donít need a calculator to work out that budget doesnít really work. So on that basis Iím wondering why those other interested parties stepped aside so readily. Itís genuinely not a criticism, but somethingís not right, especially that budget and timeframe, as the owners have found out.

In terms of their importance in the debate, it is fair to say that they are an irrelevance. In my experience, people rely on anecdotal evidence, or hindsight to prove a point that has never really existed. In fact, not only did the situation never present itself to be evaluated. It is rarely presented as potentially being a worse scenario than we currently have.

So let's say the much fabled consortium had pipped KT to the post. How would they have performed. What would they have done that was different? The truth is that neither Roger, or anyone else could possibly know. So any reference to them is pointless. Rather than serving the whims of the "what if" mob. we have to deal with what we have.
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« Reply #41850 on: December 09, 2023, 10:04:16 am »

I don't think you need a calculator to work out that he quoted his " ring fenced" figure to "finish the stand", to gain control of the football club/land to make a large profit and ride off into the sunset, allegedly. Didn't quite work out as simply as that though. Maybe if they'd done what they said they were going to do in the first place, they'd have got their money years ago and this thread would only have half as many pages and people wouldn't have written so many laborious posts about the rights and wrongs of moaning about it.
Thatís not what he said so your post is irrelevant, sorry. Iíd tell you to watch it again, but you appear to be struggling with English so I donít think it will help.

However for the umpteenth time.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/football/34938496
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« Reply #41851 on: December 09, 2023, 10:20:15 am »

Thatís not what he said so your post is irrelevant, sorry. Iíd tell you to watch it again, but you appear to be struggling with English so I donít think it will help.

However for the umpteenth time.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/football/34938496

I'm not talking about what he said on a TV interview. He said it at the first forum he held when he first took over. I was there. Unfortunately. I don't think it was recorded. I have a pretty good grasp of English.
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« Reply #41852 on: December 09, 2023, 10:21:37 am »

Even the rich Hollywood brats have issues with redev.

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« Reply #41853 on: December 09, 2023, 10:37:26 am »

I'm not talking about what he said on a TV interview. He said it at the first forum he held when he first took over. I was there. Unfortunately. I don't think it was recorded. I have a pretty good grasp of English.
How unfortunate. So we have recorded evidence on the one hand, and hearsay on the other. Either way the forum came after this interview in Jan 2016 and after the club was acquired so your ďhearsayĒ is also pointless in the context of the original post.
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« Reply #41854 on: December 09, 2023, 10:39:00 am »

What a shame 😂
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« Reply #41855 on: December 09, 2023, 11:03:47 am »

How unfortunate. So we have recorded evidence on the one hand, and hearsay on the other. Either way the forum came after this interview in Jan 2016 and after the club was acquired so your ďhearsayĒ is also pointless in the context of the original post.

Hearsay or not, he acquired the club/land on the understanding he'd finish the stand. He still might but I don't think anyone anticipated he would take this long and the point I made about why he allegedly acquired the club/land is relevant. He didn't do it for love. Nothing more to say on the matter or we'll just go round in circles, which is what this thread's been doing for years.
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« Reply #41856 on: December 09, 2023, 11:49:23 am »

Hearsay or not, he acquired the club/land on the understanding he'd finish the stand. He still might but I don't think anyone anticipated he would take this long and the point I made about why he allegedly acquired the club/land is relevant. He didn't do it for love. Nothing more to say on the matter or we'll just go round in circles, which is what this thread's been doing for years.
You could always stop reading it. Anyway, if he acquired the club on the understanding heíd finish the stand it would be a contractual obligation and it isnít so it wasnít.
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« Reply #41857 on: December 09, 2023, 12:57:11 pm »

We were almost dead and the deal that KT et al made saved the day and were still standing 6 plus years after.
Trust stood aside as a deal breaker although it was mentioned that some local consortium was ready to step in.
Yes the stand isnít finished despite multiple lease issues, council structure completely changing, lease issue blunders by previous council and previous owners, Chinese, COVID pandemic and recession, ACV, Trust issues and Cilldara legal challenges, contractor going bust. Weíve continued to lose the average amount of money per season.

 Letís hope that the GRS contract delivers a finished product.

  Weíve had 3 promotions and weíve still got Sam and each other!
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« Reply #41858 on: December 09, 2023, 13:44:56 pm »

Trust stood aside as a deal breaker*

They have a funny definition of standing asideÖ..
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« Reply #41859 on: December 09, 2023, 13:51:33 pm »

This has only just occurred to meÖ.
If the trust standing aside was a deal breaker why didnít the trust make it clear they would never contemplate thisÖ.,
After all they had their local consortium gang as preferred bidders lined up didnít theyÖ..?
How comes the trust didnít push through the local consortium bid and stand up to the current owners if they didnít agree with their demandsÖ.
Itís not as if they are unaccustomed to trying to put together deals to buy football clubsÖ.
Letís face it they should have been straight out the blocks and in pole positionÖ.
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