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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #44900 on: June 23, 2024, 17:05:46 pm »

No surprises there....bottom four along with Burton, Stevenage and Crawley.
Have we got a bigger budget than any of those clubs with smaller grounds?
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« Reply #44901 on: June 23, 2024, 17:31:13 pm »

No surprises there....bottom four along with Burton, Stevenage and Crawley.

None of whom have been in the league much longer than 15 years as opposed to our over 100 years. Slightly embarrassing really.
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« Reply #44902 on: June 23, 2024, 17:50:36 pm »

History is always a bit vague (for me anyway), but when the council approved the 10 million loan was there ever an actual figure on what the capacity would be increased to?

Clearly what Buckingham actually build was well below spec and probably reflecting the money was already disappearing and indeed they were never going to be paid but in my mind the stand was going to have a similar capacity to the West Stand, with boxes  which would have taken our capacity to around 10k

One bit of history I do know was that the original design for Sixfields was based on Chester's new ground and the West stand would have been the same size as the East stand giving a capacity of around 5K
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« Reply #44903 on: June 23, 2024, 18:02:19 pm »

That Chronicle story is over a week old. Just clickbait.
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« Reply #44904 on: June 23, 2024, 18:12:19 pm »

History is always a bit vague (for me anyway), but when the council approved the 10 million loan was there ever an actual figure on what the capacity would be increased to?

Clearly what Buckingham actually build was well below spec and probably reflecting the money was already disappearing and indeed they were never going to be paid but in my mind the stand was going to have a similar capacity to the West Stand, with boxes  which would have taken our capacity to around 10k

One bit of history I do know was that the original design for Sixfields was based on Chester's new ground and the West stand would have been the same size as the East stand giving a capacity of around 5K

If I remember right the capacity of the East Stand was due to increase by about 2,000 according the the first design we were shown. After that two or three other designs appeared, gradually scaling back from the original, none of them looked like the structure that is there today.

The full loan was to be for £12m to improve the stand and build a hotel and conference centre which would provide income for the club. The Cardozas and friends put paid to all that, and some people think KT/DB are poor untrustworthy owners!
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« Reply #44905 on: June 23, 2024, 18:50:17 pm »

If I remember right the capacity of the East Stand was due to increase by about 2,000 according the the first design we were shown. After that two or three other designs appeared, gradually scaling back from the original, none of them looked like the structure that is there today.

The full loan was to be for £12m to improve the stand and build a hotel and conference centre which would provide income for the club. The Cardozas and friends put paid to all that, and some people think KT/DB are poor untrustworthy owners!
Cardoza had the money taken from him by the cockney wide boys, I really donít think he planned it.
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« Reply #44906 on: June 23, 2024, 18:53:53 pm »

Boo f ucking hoo.
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« Reply #44907 on: June 23, 2024, 18:59:12 pm »

Cardoza had the money taken from him by the cockney wide boys, I really donít think he planned it.

Maybe not but they were hardly a pair of innocents, were they?
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« Reply #44908 on: June 23, 2024, 19:05:06 pm »

Funnelling cash to do his house up. Setting up other companies to facilitate the mess. Suns been out all day, have you been on the Buckfast?
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« Reply #44909 on: June 23, 2024, 19:59:50 pm »

Cardoza had the money taken from him by the cockney wide boys, I really donít think he planned it.
Nah. He had plans for a large detatched property on Golf Lane Church Brampton. Sticky fingers ran with all of his associates.
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« Reply #44910 on: June 23, 2024, 20:27:36 pm »

Cardoza had the money taken from him by the cockney wide boys, I really donít think he planned it.
Funny you should say this, was chatting with a local wealthy businessman in the construction industry last night who said the same manny. He said  that cardoza was stitched up(badly advised) . I think he would have got away with golf Lane had the stand been finished ans this thread would be in the bin.
 The man I was chatting with also had his contract manager with him who told me of the intention to build a hotel at the back of the stand. He works closely with GRS. incidentally the contracts manager is the son of a famous ex cobbler.
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« Reply #44911 on: June 23, 2024, 21:22:35 pm »

Funny you should say this, was chatting with a local wealthy businessman in the construction industry last night who said the same manny. He said  that cardoza was stitched up(badly advised) . I think he would have got away with golf Lane had the stand been finished ans this thread would be in the bin.
 The man I was chatting with also had his contract manager with him who told me of the intention to build a hotel at the back of the stand. He works closely with GRS. incidentally the contracts manager is the son of a famous ex cobbler.


Cardoza never made a secret of his intent to look at the hotel option. In fact, they modelled their intentions on the Norwich city designs. But the realty was far from the fantasy that we were all sold.

The idea that Cardoza was a casualty of some meanies is a very forgiving scenario. He played the ďhave your cake and eat itĒ scenario to the hilt.

The amazing thing is the bollox that KT gets from the residue of them dark days. Heís far from perfect. But there is zero justification for the hatred aimed at him.

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« Reply #44912 on: June 23, 2024, 22:02:34 pm »

Funny you should say this, was chatting with a local wealthy businessman in the construction industry last night who said the same manny. He said  that cardoza was stitched up(badly advised) . I think he would have got away with golf Lane had the stand been finished ans this thread would be in the bin.
 The man I was chatting with also had his contract manager with him who told me of the intention to build a hotel at the back of the stand. He works closely with GRS. incidentally the contracts manager is the son of a famous ex cobbler.
Cheers Grove 👍 hotel sounds interesting.
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« Reply #44913 on: June 23, 2024, 22:09:44 pm »


Cardoza never made a secret of his intent to look at the hotel option. In fact, they modelled their intentions on the Norwich city designs. But the realty was far from the fantasy that we were all sold.

The idea that Cardoza was a casualty of some meanies is a very forgiving scenario. He played the ďhave your cake and eat itĒ scenario to the hilt.

The amazing thing is the bollox that KT gets from the residue of them dark days. Heís far from perfect. But there is zero justification for the hatred aimed at him.


In a twisted way Cardoza always wanted the best for the club, he was a useful idiot for the Bushey boys, basically the whole saga has destroyed him and the captain.
KT clearly doesnít have the club at heart, itís just an enabler for him and Bower, also he comes across as very supercilious and at times condescending, I guess thatís why he gets some grief, but as a football chairman it comes with the territory.
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« Reply #44914 on: June 24, 2024, 03:26:21 am »

Cardoza had the money taken from him by the cockney wide boys, I really donít think he planned it.
Nice of the generous cockneys to pay for the Cardoza towers upgrade then. Nothing worse than being forced into a renovation project against your will.
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« Reply #44915 on: June 24, 2024, 06:17:09 am »

Manwork your dislike of the current owners is quite consistent,  but your love in with the previous owners is unbelievable.
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« Reply #44916 on: June 24, 2024, 06:55:07 am »

What is it they say about not being able to con an honest man?

I've no doubt Cardoza was out to line his own pockets on this but I also think he intended to finish the stand (albeit on the cheap). He just found himself in a pond with some bigger, nastier fish and that option was taken away from him.
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« Reply #44917 on: June 24, 2024, 07:07:04 am »

It's OK to have a different opinion of the owners, doesn't mean I hate them. I just find Thomas comes across as arrogant. He didn't explain what happened with the Chinese money, he's never explained why it's taken 8 years. He had highest ever attendances last year, highest ever season ticket sales this year yet players like sherring leave for the same money to a lower league clubs.And no increase in player budget  None of the board are here for NTFC, none of them love ntfc. They all love Oxford and never took them anywhere apart from the conference. I will continue to be sceptical of them until I see what state they leave club the day after. If they leave a hotel belonging to NTFC, that is a continuous stream of income great, but we will see.
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« Reply #44918 on: June 24, 2024, 07:20:25 am »

It's OK to have a different opinion of the owners, doesn't mean I hate them. I just find Thomas comes across as arrogant. He didn't explain what happened with the Chinese money, he's never explained why it's taken 8 years. He had highest ever attendances last year, highest ever season ticket sales this year yet players like sherring leave for the same money to a lower league clubs.And no increase in player budget  None of the board are here for NTFC, none of them love ntfc. They all love Oxford and never took them anywhere apart from the conference. I will continue to be sceptical of them until I see what state they leave club the day after. If they leave a hotel belonging to NTFC, that is a continuous stream of income great, but we will see.

It is key to any reasonable society that we have different views. I have remained firmly on the fence with recent owners of the club, because it was clear that until the land was sold to someone, it was always going to be a bigger incentive than the club itself. I honestly can't see any lasting legacy for the club from the land. And in all reality that would have been the case had anybody else bought it. Has I have stated repeatedly, and this puts me very much in your camp. I will the owners legacy when, and if, they leave.

I know it has upset my personal fan club that I said I couldn't give a shyte about what they do with the land. But I genuinely don't care. It not only poisoned the minds of the successive owners. It has poisoned the minds of others who had designs on it as well. Who it turned out were the real "false prophets".
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« Reply #44919 on: June 24, 2024, 07:27:04 am »

If they leave a hotel belonging to NTFC, that is a continuous stream of income great, but we will see.
We have been through this hotel scenario before. Whatever is there, is going to be less than salubrious, given its location next too a football stadium, cement works, old gravel works, and according to Delboy, warehouses. (with associated early AM reversing bleepers). In other words, cheap. And there already is a cheap hotel literally over the road at the BP station.
This town definitely needs a new, quality, 5 star hotel, but this is not the location or within the budget provided.
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