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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #960 on: April 15, 2014, 10:44:28 am »

The basic thing is that if you want to support NTFC it’s now confirmed we will be a "division 4" sized club, who will have the odd trip into the league above but god forbid not the league below. We will play in a ground that holds 8000 just about 40% more than our average crowd and this is the level we will stay, the level we have been for the best part of 100 years. This is the size of club we are and as things stand nothing will change. I'm not happy about that, but then is it not my own fault for believing in something that never really was. It certainly wasnt what I signed up for over 30 years ago.
The level of ambition on the field has been clearly set. Now if anyone really expected more or think they deserve more then they need to consider their next step.
 

this is your warped interpretation of the situation with a few judgemental comments chucked in for good measure. Your entitled to your view but I hope others judge your opinion for what it is worth.
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« Reply #961 on: April 15, 2014, 11:31:50 am »

this is your warped interpretation of the situation with a few judgemental comments chucked in for good measure. Your entitled to your view but I hope others judge your opinion for what it is worth.

And what is your opinion, Evers? I know you like to put a positive spin on all things Cobblers, but how do you feel about the (yet again) scaled down plans for Sixfields? Do you believe that, should we have a successful few seasons, the funds will be found to re-employ the builders to upgrade both ends of the ground?
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« Reply #962 on: April 15, 2014, 12:38:15 pm »

And what is your opinion, Evers? I know you like to put a positive spin on all things Cobblers, but how do you feel about the (yet again) scaled down plans for Sixfields? Do you believe that, should we have a successful few seasons, the funds will be found to re-employ the builders to upgrade both ends of the ground?

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However your last sentence regarding an upgrade I hope that the builders will re-employed to carry this out FOC Shocked
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« Reply #963 on: April 15, 2014, 15:55:40 pm »

Whilst I fully share the view that hotels, conference centres and boxes are the 24/7 money spinners that NTFC needs, failure to increase seating capacity at the same time to 10/12k is a huge missed opportunity.

It basically means that whatever happens on the field, the club is forever destined to remain in the bottom 2 divisions at best. Think back to when we did well in L1 under Gray or L2 with CC. How many gates of 9/10k would we have got if we'd had enough capacity, and how much of an opportunity did we miss to grow the fan base?

My message for the chairman is this:
- I simply don't believe your PR releases anymore. Why show images of a new East Stand if that's not what is actually going to be delivered?
- please make clear what the tender process was in choosing county developments ltd to do the work. Surely with public money this has to be compulsory?
- if you tell me that the N/S stands will be developed 'later', again I don't believe you. Where will the money come from?
- how can you sell season tickets with any credibility if you don't know the seating plans and stadium development time frame?
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« Reply #964 on: April 15, 2014, 17:04:58 pm »

Whilst I fully share the view that hotels, conference centres and boxes are the 24/7 money spinners that NTFC needs, failure to increase seating capacity at the same time to 10/12k is a huge missed opportunity.

It basically means that whatever happens on the field, the club is forever destined to remain in the bottom 2 divisions at best. Think back to when we did well in L1 under Gray or L2 with CC. How many gates of 9/10k would we have got if we'd had enough capacity, and how much of an opportunity did we miss to grow the fan base?


I agree with that completely. It does seem we are settling to be 4th tier level that may occasionally flirt with the league above but no more.
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« Reply #965 on: April 15, 2014, 17:17:35 pm »

We've been below the top two divisions for 114 of the 117 years we've been in existence, unless someone like an Abramovich turns up on our doorstep I guess that's where we'll stay.

I have no doubt that should we ever fill the 8,500 seats on a regular basis then more will be provided, it wouldn't make business sense not to. However we couldn't even sell out for a play-off semi-final just 12 months ago so don't hold your breath.

Got to add I do find it funny that somebody asks Cardoza questions but precedes that with the line that he doesn't believe what he says. You couldn't make it up.
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« Reply #966 on: April 15, 2014, 17:33:05 pm »

When we finished 9th in League One under Stuart Gray we 'sold out' twice, v Leeds and v Nottingham Forest.

When we got promoted under CC we had a couple of 7k attendances v Peterborough, Rushden and Chester.

More seats you say!!??
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« Reply #967 on: April 15, 2014, 17:53:39 pm »

Strange that the same people that just argued in favour of more seats for ten years are now backing plans to not get them


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We're taking well over 1500 to Wycombe on Friday. If the roles were reversed we'd be turning down cash from here on in and that's with 2 days of sales and pay on the gate to come
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« Reply #968 on: April 15, 2014, 17:55:48 pm »

I think/hope we need them eventually...the club have said if we need to we can expand...I'll take that on face value and if it doesn't happen then I'll kick off and moan.
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« Reply #969 on: April 15, 2014, 17:56:36 pm »

We've been below the top two divisions for 114 of the 117 years we've been in existence, unless someone like an Abramovich turns up on our doorstep I guess that's where we'll stay.

I have no doubt that should we ever fill the 8,500 seats on a regular basis then more will be provided, it wouldn't make business sense not to. However we couldn't even sell out for a play-off semi-final just 12 months ago so don't hold your breath.

Got to add I do find it funny that somebody asks Cardoza questions but precedes that with the line that he doesn't believe what he says. You couldn't make it up.

Come on mate, citing history is irrelevant in my opinion. When it comes to the redevelopment debate that is. The reason (prime one) that we have always been tin pot was for 80 odd years we played at a 2 sided/3 sided cricket ground which was barely fit for purpose. When we finally moved (to Sixfields) we did so to a stadium that had such a limited capacity that it restricted the club from growing its fan base.

Look at Hull. Look at Brighton. Look at Doncaster. Look at Swansea. I use these 4 examples because none of these clubs had more financial backing above and beyond their income levels than we we had, in the early DC days. Of course using Wigan as an example would not be fair because they had a sugar daddy.

Im totally convinced that IF Sixfields was developed into a nice 15000 facility, and the team was invested in proportionately that the fan base would almost double over night.

Where it hasn't worked is when clubs have gone stupid, and built stadiums far bigger for purpose.Like Darlington. Or in Rushden's case, far too expensive to run. Generally speaking, new quality stadiums have created a bounce at those clubs support wise and success has followed.
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« Reply #970 on: April 15, 2014, 18:10:57 pm »

I think anything above 15,000 for us would be a huge mistake and don't get me wrong I'd love it to still be 10k/12k. I'd also agree that the massive over promising is inevitably going to lead to people being disappointed with the outcome.

Personal opinion is that it's not as big an issue as some make out. We could expand to 15,000 seats but that might mean not having any boxes or corporate facilities which would mean it would take longer to increase the wage budget? I'm trying to look at it from a positive view that the planned development will mean an increased budget quicker and lead to bigger crowds due to a better team and then we'll be in the position to increase the capacity of the north and South stands.

Over promise and under deliver is never a good business model BUT it doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom in this instance.
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« Reply #971 on: April 15, 2014, 18:16:30 pm »

I'd also ask anyone that's got a gripe to email the club, address your concerns with the appropriate people - it's the only way you're ever going to get any sort of clarification!
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« Reply #972 on: April 15, 2014, 18:54:54 pm »

Marvo:the voice of reason.
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« Reply #973 on: April 15, 2014, 18:57:40 pm »

I think anything above 15,000 for us would be a huge mistake and don't get me wrong I'd love it to still be 10k/12k. I'd also agree that the massive over promising is inevitably going to lead to people being disappointed with the outcome.

Personal opinion is that it's not as big an issue as some make out. We could expand to 15,000 seats but that might mean not having any boxes or corporate facilities which would mean it would take longer to increase the wage budget? I'm trying to look at it from a positive view that the planned development will mean an increased budget quicker and lead to bigger crowds due to a better team and then we'll be in the position to increase the capacity of the north and South stands.

Over promise and under deliver is never a good business model BUT it doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom in this instance.

You are, of course, assuming any additional monies raised by the corporate assets will be used to advance NTFC, and not diverted towards paying back the £7 million plus owed to the chairman Undecided
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« Reply #974 on: April 15, 2014, 19:00:05 pm »

Marvo:the voice of reason.

That's something you don't often hear  Grin

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« Reply #975 on: April 15, 2014, 19:09:14 pm »

Nigel, Cardoza said in his utube interview that at first we thought we had only enough money to invest in the East Stand, so everything was going to be over there like the executive boxes, Conference centre, supporters bar, etc. The West Stand was to be left as it is. They then discovered when looking at it again that they could indeed improve the West Stand which was always the original preferred option so now some executive boxes, Conference centre, supporters bar ect will now all be housed in an improved West Stand.
So now instead of having one Stand improved, we now have two, though obviously because of the improvement to the West Stand and the cost involved the East Stand has had to be scaled down somewhat from the original plans which makes perfect sense to me.

As for capacity, the cost of knocking down the North or South stand would be trivial compared to that of the improvements now being made to the East and West. They are now just concrete blocks, with seats and a roof. To double or even treble those stands would not only be a cheaper option to increase capacity, it makes perfect sense. As I've said before if I had my way I'd include terracing which would increase capacity even more and give us something of the old Hotel End feel about the place. Cardoza maybe a lot of things (dependent on your viewpoint) but he's not silly, he's not going to start turning punters away should the need ever arise. If the fans start filling Sixfields, you'll get your extra capacity.

You keep saying this, but you are discounting the fact that the builders are already on site, and structural works to the east side will be carried out regardless. A future expansion of the ends, say 5(?)years down the line, will involve going from scratch, and will not cost the peanuts you seem to think.
You would be talking millions more.
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« Reply #976 on: April 15, 2014, 19:20:36 pm »

To the credit of the H&P journo he asked the questions  as requested at last Thursdays press conf,
and got the desperate news .  The Chairman said iirc, was rushing things through and that there's no more money for extra capacity, but a nice big arsed directors box will be going in at the back of the west.

Regarding attendances over the previous 20 years.
 Having done little marketing and promotional work to reintroduce the club to the people of Northampton. Also zero advertising through local media, papers radio stations and posters leaflets as seen at other clubs.
Zero promotional stands at the local shopping areas, where merchandise could be sold and special match day offers could be targeted at families groups or just kids birthday outings to watch professional football.
 Zero Offices and work place specials, Nights out at the football with work colleagues, very popular at most progressive clubs....etc etc I thought none of these were happening as we were waiting for the extra capacity. Cant see much change happening in the marketing department.

What I would like to see which is very feasible with some of our 12 million is the east stand built as the nice picture, giving us a 10,000 capacity, which could allow us to offer up to 3000 visitors seats if required.
Then it would be realistic to extend the north and south as and when we achieve a few promotions. But what we've been offered is a frigging p1ss take.

Come Mr Chairman, sort it out and stick to the plans and all will be forgiven.
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« Reply #977 on: April 15, 2014, 19:27:35 pm »

A future expansion of the ends, say 5(?)years down the line, will involve going from scratch, and will not cost the peanuts you seem to think.
You would be talking millions more.

Well all I can say is that I disagree. No point in me adding anymore.
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« Reply #978 on: April 15, 2014, 19:27:55 pm »

The one consistent thing which everyone seems to agree on is the disgraceful PR and marketing by the club.
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« Reply #979 on: April 15, 2014, 19:36:25 pm »

The one consistent thing which everyone seems to agree on is the disgraceful PR and marketing by the club.

Amen to that.
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