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« Reply #1040 on: April 16, 2014, 09:41:07 am »


Thanks, OK not so silly talk. What a bizarre situation, or maybe it's sensible considering the owners background. I'm sure it will all become clearer in the coming months and everyone will be happy with the luxuries of the new improvements as we march up league two.
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« Reply #1041 on: April 16, 2014, 09:42:33 am »

I reckon you lot won't be happy until you've hounded our current owners out and we're back collecting money in buckets again.
How much is Des O'Connor worth?
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« Reply #1042 on: April 16, 2014, 09:43:56 am »

Source? Because if you're right something doesn't add up. S****horpe get a brand spanking new 12,500 capacity ground for 18 million. We get seven hundred seats and some boxes, for 7.5 million?

Source: Mr Cardoza himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2le6uMDwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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« Reply #1043 on: April 16, 2014, 09:54:14 am »

The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  Grin
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« Reply #1044 on: April 16, 2014, 09:55:06 am »


When was this video from? There's a lot of huffing and pausing from Cardoza.
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« Reply #1045 on: April 16, 2014, 10:12:39 am »

How much is Des O'Connor worth?
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« Reply #1046 on: April 16, 2014, 10:25:31 am »

The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  Grin

I'm ecstatic!! Fully reassured after watching that!  Wink
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« Reply #1047 on: April 16, 2014, 10:33:02 am »

The last few sentences on that video make interesting listening. We are all happy then.  Grin

The very last thing Cardoza says;

'and make as much money possibly for the football club'

I'm sure this was supposed to come out as 'and make as much money as possible for the football club'.

Slip of the truth tongue David?
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« Reply #1048 on: April 16, 2014, 10:40:48 am »

I'm ecstatic!! Fully reassured after watching that!  Wink
All fears allayed.
10,000 seater stadium with filled in corners,better corporate facilities,better hospitality,conference centre,impressive supporters bar and ajoining hotel here we come Grin

Oh hang on  Shocked
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« Reply #1049 on: April 16, 2014, 10:55:57 am »

After waiting patiently for the club shop to open, I googled County Group as they have their banners up. I couldn't find much company info. Does anyone know much about them?
http://www.thecountygroup.co.uk/
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« Reply #1050 on: April 16, 2014, 11:08:42 am »

I'll tell you what doesn't add up. One minute you get a poster on here claiming it will cost "millions" to increase the North Stand, then people seem to think you'd get a whole new ground for the same amount.

I don't mind you trying to destroy any optimism that may be left in the club but hey, try and stick to the same hymn sheet.

Well, obviously, if it costs eighteen million to build a new ground, then it'll cost at least a few million to build a new end, yes? It's not rocket science.
The Saints new stand is quoted at 5 million: This includes demolition of a large structure followed by a total rebuild. DC once suggested the ends of our ground would be demolished and started afresh rather than sticking with the initial build structure. If we went for a rebuild with filled in corners it will cost millions (ie:quite a few millions).
The simplest, and cheapest solution remains adding the second level, as per the original ground plans. Even doing one end would give us an additional 900 plus seats. This would still involve substantial cost, but it'd be a heckuva lot cheaper to do it now, with builders on site, than waiting till ten years down the line.
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« Reply #1051 on: April 16, 2014, 11:19:02 am »

Well, obviously, if it costs eighteen million to build a new ground, then it'll cost at least a few million to build a new end, yes? It's not rocket science.
The Saints new stand is quoted at 5 million: This includes demolition of a large structure followed by a total rebuild. DC once suggested the ends of our ground would be demolished and started afresh rather than sticking with the initial build structure. If we went for a rebuild with filled in corners it will cost millions (ie:quite a few millions).
The simplest, and cheapest solution remains adding the second level, as per the original ground plans. Even doing one end would give us an additional 900 plus seats. This would still involve substantial cost, but it'd be a heckuva lot cheaper to do it now, with builders on site, than waiting till ten years down the line.

I have emailed the club with my concerns regarding how the development has been handled and amongst the reply it was stated that 'capacity can be increased again very easily in the North and South stands if and when required.'

The club have had this stance for a long time so I can't see it being fabricated, any builder would be able to build more concrete steps and supports on top of the two mentioned stands.
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« Reply #1052 on: April 16, 2014, 11:25:50 am »

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/478343/plans-redevelop-almost-double-seating-capacity-sixfields-stadium

It seems that £10 million got you a bit more in 2005.
Inflation eh!
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« Reply #1053 on: April 16, 2014, 13:43:25 pm »

I reckon you lot won't be happy until you've hounded our current owners out and we're back collecting money in buckets again.

You may have noticed John that I have been very stand offish on this thread...Im just going to see what occurs given that the plans seem to change on an almost daily basis.

However, I find it very strange..particularly from a very determined socialist such as yourself...that you are so comfortable with the handling of this 'project' that you imply that anybody who isn't should be. I only bring politics into it because every socialist I know would be very concerned about the '7.5million' stadium loan (excluding hotel part of it) and what we appear (not) to be getting for it. And with the companies involved in the process, I feel a proper public explanation is warranted.The potential for capitalist 'profit making' is there for all to see, given the no strings attached public loan.

Im not making any judgements at this moment in time, but I've got loads of pre-judgements rolling around in my head and none of them are of a positive nature! My main point is, how can you be 'so sure' that nothing potentially concerning has/is occurring? Whilst I admire your supportive stance, Im struggling to see on what basis you have it whilst thinking everybody else should have it.

You have well and truly nailed your colours to the '7.5million has been well spent' brigade...well all I will say is lets see what it is when its finished. I just hope that you are right on this occasion. And before you say anything to counter this, factor in that this loan is for a specific purpose and it has been borrowed out of public money. For that reason alone, it should be regulated properly, or at least should be in my opinion. And thats from a capitalist/Tory!
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« Reply #1054 on: April 16, 2014, 14:04:58 pm »

You may have noticed John that I have been very stand offish on this thread...Im just going to see what occurs given that the plans seem to change on an almost daily basis.

However, I find it very strange..particularly from a very determined socialist such as yourself...that you are so comfortable with the handling of this 'project' that you imply that anybody who isn't should be. I only bring politics into it because every socialist I know would be very concerned about the '7.5million' stadium loan (excluding hotel part of it) and what we appear (not) to be getting for it. And with the companies involved in the process, I feel a proper public explanation is warranted.The potential for capitalist 'profit making' is there for all to see, given the no strings attached public loan.

Im not making any judgements at this moment in time, but I've got loads of pre-judgements rolling around in my head and none of them are of a positive nature! My main point is, how can you be 'so sure' that nothing potentially concerning has/is occurring? Whilst I admire your supportive stance, Im struggling to see on what basis you have it whilst thinking everybody else should have it.

You have well and truly nailed your colours to the '7.5million has been well spent' brigade...well all I will say is lets see what it is when its finished. I just hope that you are right on this occasion. And before you say anything to counter this, factor in that this loan is for a specific purpose and it has been borrowed out of public money. For that reason alone, it should be regulated properly, or at least should be in my opinion. And thats from a capitalist/Tory!

Pretty much sums it up for me too! The proof will be in the pudding, not just for this but many years down the line when the money may or may not flow in, may or may not be spent on the team, may or may not get the team motoring up the leagues. Similarly the inquests about matters on the field can wait until/if we go down.
Things are delicately poised on so many levels at the moment, and like you say its pointless going into things too deeply whilst plans seem to change by the day.
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« Reply #1055 on: April 16, 2014, 14:33:38 pm »

Drilling/Grange, I'm quite happy to wait to see what actually occurs, that is the most sensible form of action, much better than listening to rumours. Unfortunately others can't wait to get their knives into the Chairmans back, if they were ever out of it in the first place.
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« Reply #1056 on: April 16, 2014, 15:41:30 pm »

Drilling/Grange, I'm quite happy to wait to see what actually occurs, that is the most sensible form of action, much better than listening to rumours. Unfortunately others can't wait to get their knives into the Chairmans back, if they were ever out of it in the first place.

I think this topic has actually done well to turn in to a fact finding thread. We are using the plans to source information as the plans are the only facts we have due to the confusion of are we/aren't we coming from the club.

Unfortunately, taking the 'lets wait and see approach' is another way of saying 'lets leave it until it's too late to air our views'. I have aired my views via email to the club and have had a response, I'd urge anyone else to do the same so the club can hear our suggestions/worries from as many mouths (keyboards) as possible.
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« Reply #1057 on: April 16, 2014, 15:59:20 pm »

Im still wondering why we have to stop discussing this and concentrate on staying up. How do we do that? Help wilder scout the opposition? Give him tactical ideas? Or just sit quietly thinking about it? It's just that I can do a few things almost at once so I reckon I can handle dividing my time loosely between reading and commenting on the long and short term future of my club and hoping that both don't go tits up
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« Reply #1058 on: April 16, 2014, 16:06:49 pm »

May I place on record that when attending a trust meeting myself and another poster(may have been everbright) raised concerns that no supporters had been consulted on their views regards any redevelopment and what they would like to see.*
It was asked why the trust who are there to act as a mouthpiece for supporters had not asked for fans opinions and put them to DC...
The reply was that they didn't want to rock the boat and DC probably wouldn't take any notice.
If anyone from the trust would like to deny that they have a right of reply.

*in fairness it may have been everbright who raised the issue with myself agreeing.

Anyway I didn't dream it and the above occurred.
I eagerly await a denial and coverup.
This doesn't detract from well meaning people who work hard as regards the trust but it does seem to show a contempt for the supporters they represent when they felt it within THEIR power not to bother asking the fanbase and raising concerns directly to the board.
That was my take on it anyway as one of I think two members of the public who bothered attending the open meeting.
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« Reply #1059 on: April 16, 2014, 16:35:06 pm »



Like I've said before. I struggle with anyone that has difficulty sticking to their word and feels comfortable changing what they have promised. You obviously don't... All down to interpretation...

Are you saying Nigel that plans can't change and whatever the original one was must be adhered to even if you think you've found a better way?

Exactly what was promised?
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