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If it was as simple as that i'd agree. But i'm starting to think he really doesn't get it.
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The council have given the go ahead to fit out the east stand albeit not handed over the enabling lands, I get that but knowing we have been hung out to dry in recent times, surely he doesn't expect our club to just continue to rot on the vine while he waits his wind fall?
Could he use some of his promised £4m to do a basic make over to include boxes bar and restaurant, spend £1.5m and recover the monies when he gets the land?
Could he finance a basic bank of terracing from future season tickets sales meaning he doesn't have to put his hand in his pocket and use the land st a later date?
He got in some Chinese investment, well how about they start to invest in our infrastructure? If not seek some that will.
Lets not forget Cardoza strung the arse out of trying to get the land, for over 12 years and we waited like idiots for absolutely nothing so now we have moved on to KT but its now 14 years and still we're hearing the same old same.
Maybe he needs to look at a different approach one which most importantly involves working with all the clubs supporters as opposed to flying solo and come up with a more workable affordable and sustainable development of the ground, be it basically fitting out the east or a much needed bank of terracing?
When the council sees that we have a pro active management and not just money grabbers they may be more accomodating with our clubs enabling land for the greater good of our club.
Hope that answers your questions.
Simple as frig, but the most workable solutions usually are, its the overtly complicated nonsence that never sees the light of day.
So in short... You want them to develop a stand with no current access to plant or materials and no chance of access afterwards. So all deliveries and fire exits would have to go via the pitch, due to the lack of a service road 😀 That's going straight through building control isn't it? 😀 Also stick a nice kitchen and catering facilities with no route for fire engines etc. And just in case you can't do that at the moment (which you absolutely can't) we should just spend a couple of million on some "terracing". Irrespective of the covenant placed on future development, that you and a few overs think can just be conveniently waived. He doesn't want your money, or a supporter led initiative.. That's not the problem, as you well know. He wants the council to get their @rse into gear. Only a select few have whipped up this mysterious lack of funds, as a smoke screen to bolster a weak and factually porous point. As I have said before. The scenario that you have created about a lack of funds, is a construct of your paranoia, with nothing concrete to back it up at all. Finally. I didn't sit back from the day Cardoza walked through the door. You did |
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So in short... You want them to develop a stand with no current access to plant or materials and no chance of access afterwards. So all deliveries and fire exits would have to go via the pitch, due to the lack of a service road That's going straight through building control isn't it? Also stick a nice kitchen and catering facilities with no route for fire engines etc.
And just in case you can't do that at the moment (which you absolutely can't) we should just spend a couple of million on some "terracing". Irrespective of the covenant placed on future development, that you and a few overs think can just be conveniently waived.
He doesn't want your money, or a supporter led initiative.. That's not the problem, as you well know. He wants the council to get their @rse into gear. Only a select few have whipped up this mysterious lack of funds, as a smoke screen to weak a factually porous point. As I have said before. The scenario that you have created about a lack of funds, is a construct of your paranoia, with nothing concrete to back it up at all.
Finally. I didn't sit back from the day Cardoza walked through the door. You did
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So in short... You want them to develop a stand with no current access to plant or materials and no chance of access afterwards. So all deliveries and fire exits would have to go via the pitch, due to the lack of a service road 😀 That's going straight through building control isn't it? 😀 Also stick a nice kitchen and catering facilities with no route for fire engines etc.
And just in case you can't do that at the moment (which you absolutely can't) we should just spend a couple of million on some "terracing". Irrespective of the covenant placed on future development, that you and a few overs think can just be conveniently waived.
He doesn't want your money, or a supporter led initiative.. That's not the problem, as you well know. He wants the council to get their @rse into gear. Only a select few have whipped up this mysterious lack of funds, as a smoke screen to weak a factually porous point. As I have said before. The scenario that you have created about a lack of funds, is a construct of your paranoia, with nothing concrete to back it up at all.
Finally. I didn't sit back from the day Cardoza walked through the door. You did
Nigel 😂, You just Knew I would have to relply to your post if only to correct your deliberately erroneous points😉 Firstly the Football ground boundary was clearly shown to extend beyond the old athletics track, this is more than enough for a small service road/emergency access/ muster point. So that is not stopping the mysterious 'finishing the east stand' whatever that is! The old covenant..we haven't heard that old chestnut in a decade😂 The long time abolished government backed organisation that gave grants to football clubs in the aftermath of Hillsborough is no longer relevant which is unlike the old dying gypsie woman's curse put on the grounds and builders after she was forcibly removed on her death bed, Ballast the builder (gone bust) and Sixfields, which is still very relevant today. Why would you want the council to give over vast tracks of land to allow KT to hopefully put in poxy 12 boxes and a restaurant and nothing else? Your right when you say I just dont get it..I dont😂 All clubs that have recently built up their supporters base have done so by engaging with its whole community and not just sat back and allowed a secretive leader such as Kim yong il to go it alone hoping the wider community buys into whatever the hell it is thats going to happen. So basically your saying nothing is happening until a massive land carve up takes place and the Cobblers will only know what they can expect when the Directors cash in all their chips? Good night and dont have nightmares 😂 |
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So basically your saying nothing is happening until a massive land carve up takes place and the Cobblers will only know what they can expect when the Directors cash in all their chips?
No.. Basically I'm telling you it can't happen yet. It just can't.... |
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We all know Godwin's Law about further sensible debate being possible once someone invokes Hitler or the Nazis, right? I'm starting another one called BOTN's law; it's basically the same thing but involves comparing an affable football chairman to Kim Jong Il.
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Nigel 😂, You just Knew I would have to relply to your post if only to correct your deliberately erroneous points😉
Firstly the Football ground boundary was clearly shown to extend beyond the old athletics track, this is more than enough for a small service road/emergency access/ muster point. So that is not stopping the mysterious 'finishing the east stand' whatever that is!
The old covenant..we haven't heard that old chestnut in a decade😂 The long time abolished government backed organisation that gave grants to football clubs in the aftermath of Hillsborough is no longer relevant which is unlike the old dying gypsie woman's curse put on the grounds and builders after she was forcibly removed on her death bed, Ballast the builder (gone bust) and Sixfields, which is still very relevant today.
Why would you want the council to give over vast tracks of land to allow KT to hopefully put in poxy 12 boxes and a restaurant and nothing else? Your right when you say I just dont get it..I dont😂
All clubs that have recently built up their supporters base have done so by engaging with its whole community and not just sat back and allowed a secretive leader such as Kim yong il to go it alone hoping the wider community buys into whatever the hell it is thats going to happen.
So basically your saying nothing is happening until a massive land carve up takes place and the Cobblers will only know what they can expect when the Directors cash in all their chips?
Good night and dont have nightmares
The land boundary was moved in negotiation between DC/CDNL and NBC during planning to try and add more housing right up to the middle of the athletics track. This is where the difficulties in leases arises from in my limited understanding. A quick planning search will show this. http://www.northampton.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/8574/supplemental-agreement---11th-april-2014.pdfhttp://www.northampton.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/8800/sixfields-land-registry-plan.pdf |
I think someone should just take this city of Peterborough and just... just flush it down the f***in' toilet
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if you hate peterborough clap your hands and Fxxk off poxford.
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Absolutely mate If you want to attempt a first storey development, there is no current agreement on the amount of land required adjacent to the rear of the East stand as far as I can see. Any service road for emergency vehicles will need access on two sides of the structure with a hammered turn, or full turn circle on the longer stretches. You could concievably extend a road along the back of the East as far as the turning circle behind the North stand, but as far as I'm aware that would defininately require approval that doesn't currently exist. Fire assembly and evacuation points must be a least as far away as one and half times the height of the building, and must extend to an agreed evacuation route, safely and horizontallay away from the fire. Not through an abandoned athletics facility. And certainly not down the back of the stand that's on fire. Beds will just have to settle for a few million quid spent on a terrace, that will take 15 odd years to see a return if we totally sell out 4-5 times a year at 20 quid for standing |
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Absolutely mate If you want to attempt a first storey development, there is no current agreement on the amount of land required adjacent to the rear of the East stand as far as I can see. Any service road for emergency vehicles will need access on two sides of the structure with a hammered turn, or full turn circle on the longer stretches. You could concievably extend a road along the back of the East as far as the turning circle behind the North stand, but as far as I'm aware that would defininately require approval that doesn't currently exist. Fire assembly and evacuation points must be a least as far away as one and half times the height of the building, and must extend to an agreed evacuation route, safely and horizontallay away from the fire. Not through an abandoned athletics facility. And certainly not down the back of the stand that's on fire. Beds will just have to settle for a few million quid spent on a terrace, that will take 15 odd years to see a return if we totally sell out 4-5 times a year at 20 quid for standing see the boundary on phigars post, it clearly shows 10 plus metres clearence enough to turn the biggest of vehicles😉 Also if you have a atmospheric bank of terracing making the ground have a more professional feel to the place you would only need to encourage an extra 500 for smaller games to 2000 for more attractive fixtures over what we attract now to pay it in 2 seasons.. Yes it would take an organised coordinated sales and marketing strategies involving the whole town and local areas of our catchment to get it working. But also avoiding any tyre kicking antics holding up the process along the way. |
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Nigel 😂, You just Knew I would have to relply to your post if only to correct your deliberately erroneous points😉
Firstly the Football ground boundary was clearly shown to extend beyond the old athletics track, this is more than enough for a small service road/emergency access/ muster point. So that is not stopping the mysterious 'finishing the east stand' whatever that is!
The old covenant..we haven't heard that old chestnut in a decade😂 The long time abolished government backed organisation that gave grants to football clubs in the aftermath of Hillsborough is no longer relevant which is unlike the old dying gypsie woman's curse put on the grounds and builders after she was forcibly removed on her death bed, Ballast the builder (gone bust) and Sixfields, which is still very relevant today.
Why would you want the council to give over vast tracks of land to allow KT to hopefully put in poxy 12 boxes and a restaurant and nothing else? Your right when you say I just dont get it..I dont😂
All clubs that have recently built up their supporters base have done so by engaging with its whole community and not just sat back and allowed a secretive leader such as Kim yong il to go it alone hoping the wider community buys into whatever the hell it is thats going to happen.
So basically your saying nothing is happening until a massive land carve up takes place and the Cobblers will only know what they can expect when the Directors cash in all their chips?
Good night and dont have nightmares 😂
There is no covenant or clause preventing terracing at Sixfields. Could have it tmrw should the club so wish. Ballast Nedham still going strong in Holland, I'm sure they'd let us have the plans for simply expanding the stands should we ask nicely. |
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see the boundary on phigars post, it clearly shows 10 plus metres clearence enough to turn the biggest of vehicles😉
Also if you have a atmospheric bank of terracing making the ground have a more professional feel to the place you would only need to encourage an extra 500 for smaller games to 2000 for more attractive fixtures over what we attract now to pay it in 2 seasons..
Yes it would take an organised coordinated sales and marketing strategies involving the whole town and local areas of our catchment to get it working.
But also avoiding any tyre kicking antics holding up the process along the way.
A plain terrace is problematic if we have any pretensions of medium-term higher level football. Safe Standing rail seats look the likeliest option to be ratified in the Premier League and Championship. I have stood on the rail seat terrace at Celtic and in Germany and it it's fantastic. So we're kind of in limbo to an extent concerning standing but the club have done their research and consulted the fans more than the majority on the subject. We could convert the North to Rail Seats or have a new build with Rail Seats that can be simply retrofitted to standard seats in the unlikely case we make Premier League and safe standing hasn't been brought in. In any case Premier League football would mean the North is inadequate and needing to be rebuilt. I agree on the supporters having full consultation on any future building work however. It's an absolute must given the issues with Cardoza. Probably something the Trust should be pushing for and keeping the fans up to date as much as possible. |
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My personal opinion, and its just an opinion, is adding terracing to the east stand will make the ground look even more non league than some say it does now.
I'm not one who wants terracing but don't object to it but would only look anywhere near reasonable if it was in the North Stand. In the East, it would increase the capacity for sure but don't think it would add to the atmosphere as would be half full at best (opinion based on current attendances and in particular that stand) with people too spread out and any noise would be lost
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My personal opinion, and its just an opinion, is adding terracing to the east stand will make the ground look even more non league than some say it does now.
I'm not one who wants terracing but don't object to it but would only look anywhere near reasonable if it was in the North Stand. In the East, it would increase the capacity for sure but don't think it would add to the atmosphere as would be half full at best (opinion based on current attendances and in particular that stand) with people too spread out and any noise would be lost
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I agree but missed who wants standing in the East?
Was how I interpreted posts above, talking about east stand access and then terracing. If I have misunderstood then ignore the post!! |
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These may well have been mentioned before so apologies if they have.
The main stand at Burton looks pretty slick and similar to the east stand shell.
Also the main stand at the globe arena looks similar to one of the designs we saw originally (with the restricted view seats). With the shell we have could 'copy' that but extended the boxes along the full length.
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These may well have been mentioned before so apologies if they have.
The main stand at Burton looks pretty slick and similar to the east stand shell.
Also the main stand at the globe arena looks similar to one of the designs we saw originally (with the restricted view seats). With the shell we have could 'copy' that but extended the boxes along the full length.
Interestingly, you've mentioned two stadiums (stadia!) that I was going to include along with say Fleetwood, Crawley and a load more, where terracing adds little if any atmosphere to proceedings! Guess Borussia Dortmund bucks the trend! |
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