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« Reply #20940 on: February 08, 2018, 13:20:41 pm »

They've already done that?

16 boxes etc....
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« Reply #20941 on: February 08, 2018, 13:44:49 pm »

I thought NTFC already held one of those leases? And didn't Kelvin imply before Christmas that this side of things had been all but sorted? As for Boot & Shoe's comment about the club being unable to tell us what their plans are. Absolute bollocks! There is nothing to stop them setting out their vision for that stand, and I would imagine doing so would help to pressure the council - assuming it's a decent vision.
Itís not b*llocks at all.
You cannot publicise plans for a development before the permissions for that development have been granted .
Why put yourself under that level of pressure only to let people down yet again .
Some of the plans may also be jeopardised by premature announcements .
If I was KT I would act in exactly the same way .
We had a previous chairman that spouted off grand plans and delivered nothing . Maybe you would be happier with that ?
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« Reply #20942 on: February 08, 2018, 14:14:53 pm »

Itís not b*llocks at all.
You cannot publicise plans for a development before the permissions for that development have been granted .
Why put yourself under that level of pressure only to let people down yet again .
Some of the plans may also be jeopardised by premature announcements .
If I was KT I would act in exactly the same way .
We had a previous chairman that spouted off grand plans and delivered nothing . Maybe you would be happier with that ?

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?
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« Reply #20943 on: February 08, 2018, 14:17:26 pm »

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/11241140/crystal-palace-submit-selhurst-park-redevelopment-plans-to-croydon-council Palace did it today...
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« Reply #20944 on: February 08, 2018, 14:53:40 pm »

I'm not sure that true.

Haven't luton in the past given supporters plans/visors before planning permission was given?

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

It's not true. He has no idea what he's talking about. Companies all over the world release provisional and artistic impressions of new builds, and have been doing so for years. The council have publicly stated that as far as they are concerned the build can proceed, so I assume they have more of an in depth idea of the end product than us mere punters. KT has previously stated that he hoped the build would be under way (by October 2017?) this season. He knows what is intended, and has said about additional boxes etc. So why not lay out the actual plans?
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« Reply #20945 on: February 08, 2018, 15:06:58 pm »

It's not true. He has no idea what he's talking about. Companies all over the world release provisional and artistic impressions of new builds, and have been doing so for years. The council have publicly stated that as far as they are concerned the build can proceed, so I assume they have more of an in depth idea of the end product than us mere punters. KT has previously stated that he hoped the build would be under way (by October 2017?) this season. He knows what is intended, and has said about additional boxes etc. So why not lay out the actual plans?
The lack of ability to grasp situations amongst some people is astonishing ...
Itís not a case of whether itís ďtrueĒ or not - itís a case of what the ownerís preference is .
Itís up to other clubs and organisations as to whether they want to publish plans prior to consent being given .
This club is in a different position because of the complications surrounding the lease and the history of misappropriation of funds , along with so many false dawns .
Itís obvious why the owner of the club doesnít want to release plans - it sends hares running and creates more turmoil for him to deal with .
NTFC is not public property - it is owned by private individuals who can do as they wish .
You have no right to anything whatsoever , outside of being a customer .
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« Reply #20946 on: February 08, 2018, 15:14:34 pm »

I don't always agree with the way Beds goes about putting his point of view across, but in this case I think he is right. What is stopping the club from putting forward an artists impression of what they want to do with capacities. They can put this out under the proviso the council sorts the leases out and then we know where we stand and we know what they want us to put the pressure on the council to deliver!
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« Reply #20947 on: February 08, 2018, 15:29:35 pm »

In fact I'm sure bristol rovers have also more recently too?

The Bristol Rovers who announced and displayed every detail of their new stadium to excite the fans... Only for the plans to fall through after years of legal issues?
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« Reply #20948 on: February 08, 2018, 15:30:57 pm »

The lack of ability to grasp situations amongst some people is astonishing ...
Itís not a case of whether itís ďtrueĒ or not - itís a case of what the ownerís preference is .
Itís up to other clubs and organisations as to whether they want to publish plans prior to consent being given .
This club is in a different position because of the complications surrounding the lease and the history of misappropriation of funds , along with so many false dawns .
Itís obvious why the owner of the club doesnít want to release plans - it sends hares running and creates more turmoil for him to deal with .
NTFC is not public property - it is owned by private individuals who can do as they wish .
You have no right to anything whatsoever , outside of being a customer .
Lets hope we never go down that route where fans feel alienated and lose any affiliations, just a mug punter paying at the gate.. Its not what supporting a local football club is about.
..Blackpool Coventry Charlton etc.. are tearing themselves apart with stances against owners.
Its unnecessary and harms those clubs long term.
The most important element in a football club is not the players or owners, its the clubs fans and they shouldn't be left out of the loop concerning things of great importance.
Maybe Thomas and co are being protective of us small town back water snowflakes 😂😂
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« Reply #20949 on: February 08, 2018, 15:34:30 pm »

The Bristol Rovers who announced and displayed every detail of their new stadium to excite the fans... Only for the plans to fall through after years of legal issues?
What do fans of lower league clubs have if you take away their hope?
It is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all..
If only we had won on saturday, we wouldn't have revisited this thread! 😉
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« Reply #20950 on: February 08, 2018, 15:46:47 pm »

The Bristol Rovers who announced and displayed every detail of their new stadium to excite the fans... Only for the plans to fall through after years of legal issues?
Exactly !
Someone that at last sees sense !
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« Reply #20951 on: February 08, 2018, 15:51:23 pm »

The Bristol Rovers who announced and displayed every detail of their new stadium to excite the fans... Only for the plans to fall through after years of legal issues?

Yes, but he was responding to Boot & Shoot's statement that companies/football clubs are not allowed to place plans into a public arena prior to receiving planning permission.
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« Reply #20952 on: February 08, 2018, 15:53:35 pm »


Palace submitted a planning application, which is something that NTFC will do once the lease issue is sorted out. A planning application is a very detailed document, not a 'vision'.
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« Reply #20953 on: February 08, 2018, 15:54:57 pm »

Exactly !
Someone that at last sees sense !

It's a completely different issue. Rovers were/are talking about building a state of the art sporting arena; we are talking about completing - to a (semi) respectable level - some hideous half-built monstrosity.
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« Reply #20954 on: February 08, 2018, 16:17:57 pm »

What do fans of lower league clubs have if you take away their hope?
It is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all..

Seriously?

Iíve watched my club for 48 years, travelled 100ís of thousand miles & only had 4 remarkable seasons in that time, never seen them last more than two seasons in an upper division but I donít think another delay in adding to the ground is really a reason to lose hope.....
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« Reply #20955 on: February 08, 2018, 16:58:31 pm »

Palace submitted a planning application, which is something that NTFC will do once the lease issue is sorted out. A planning application is a very detailed document, not a 'vision'.

Okay, its a fair distinction that NTFC have not applied for planning permission.

But you took my comment out of its original context. Boot and shoe said that companies could not release information about plans publicly until the permissions have been granted. I was merely pointing out that Palace have appeared to do exactly that, and the story was released today no less.
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« Reply #20956 on: February 08, 2018, 17:30:09 pm »

Okay, its a fair distinction that NTFC have not applied for planning permission.

But you took my comment out of its original context. Boot and shoe said that companies could not release information about plans publicly until the permissions have been granted. I was merely pointing out that Palace have appeared to do exactly that, and the story was released today no less.
Incorrect and wrong .
I repeat once again that you can publish whatever you wish .
KT though has chosen not to publish speculative plans because nothing has been confirmed .
FFS ..... whatís difficult to understand
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« Reply #20957 on: February 08, 2018, 17:32:19 pm »

It's a completely different issue. Rovers were/are talking about building a state of the art sporting arena; we are talking about completing - to a (semi) respectable level - some hideous half-built monstrosity.
It makes no difference ...
both until permission is granted are speculative .
Same thing - simple
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« Reply #20958 on: February 08, 2018, 17:43:28 pm »

I told you, when you were on the Trust board, that we were too busy to organise the knitting event and that you would have to do it yourself  Wink

I didn't mind that so much. It's when the Trust refused to endorse my new range of spandex replica shorts that I drew the line mate.
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« Reply #20959 on: February 08, 2018, 18:12:21 pm »

Yes, but he was responding to Boot & Shoot's statement that companies/football clubs are not allowed to place plans into a public arena prior to receiving planning permission.
Absolute rubbish .
I said nothing of the sort . FFS
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