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« Reply #21080 on: March 06, 2018, 17:41:04 pm »

In KT's interview today he restated the comment made by the Trust, that the Council expect to give a decision on the East Stand by the end of this month.

He also said, at the Council meeting the Trust 'saw the plans', were they plans of the ground or juat future plans for the land?
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I asked the supporters trust if they had seen any plans, and they stated that they had not. This was about a month ago just after their announcement on the eaststand.
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« Reply #21081 on: March 06, 2018, 17:49:42 pm »

I asked the supporters trust if they had seen any plans, and they stated that they had not. This was about a month ago just after their announcement on the eaststand.

Kelvin states in the video released today that the Trust have indeed seen plans and agreed "they were in the best interests of the club".
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« Reply #21082 on: March 06, 2018, 18:25:08 pm »

Start of good news hopefully.

A planning application has been submitted to join Edgar Mobbs Way to Towcester Road (B & Q roundabout). This will ease congestion after Cobblers (and Saints) games. Let us hope it is built quicker than the planning timescale (7 years+).
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« Reply #21083 on: March 06, 2018, 19:18:47 pm »

Edgar Mobbs Way? Can't see how that'd work, there's no room there because of the river Nene and the industrial units
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« Reply #21084 on: March 06, 2018, 19:24:57 pm »

Not Edgar Mobbs Way, but St James Mill Road...finally linking up to St James Mill Road East which is the road that leads out from the retail units/KFC onto the roundabout by B&Q.

This has been talked about for years, pretty much ever since the Towcester Road (or Southern Approach Road as it was called back in the day) was opened.

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/planning/search-applications?civica.query.FullTextSearch=edgar%20mobbs%20way#VIEW?RefType=PBDC&KeyNo=62387

Its a 150-200 yard gap between the two roads which runs through a railway line which was at the time of the road opening still being used. However rail traffic has long since ceased on the Bridge Street Branch, and Network Rail are believed to have given up the land on which the line sits.

Look at the location on Google Earth, the proposed road would cut right in front of a new industrial unit (the area where the road goes is fenced off currently) and then over the disused railway line to join up with the other road.
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« Reply #21085 on: March 06, 2018, 19:34:14 pm »

I asked the supporters trust if they had seen any plans, and they stated that they had not. This was about a month ago just after their announcement on the eaststand.
Could you please point me in the direction to find this, as I can't recall this.
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« Reply #21086 on: March 06, 2018, 19:40:42 pm »

Could you please point me in the direction to find this, as I can't recall this.

Sod that......are the Trust in a position to confirm or deny KT's statement today?
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« Reply #21087 on: March 06, 2018, 20:01:08 pm »

Kelvin states in the video released today that the Trust have indeed seen plans and agreed "they were in the best interests of the club".
The trust ageed that they were in the clubs best interests... As a member I dont recall being asked my opinion?
One mans best interests could be seen as a big bag of 5hite to the next?
Why have they gone all shy all of a sudden?
I thought they enjoyed sharing good news..
Just show the clubs fans and the folk of Northampton  bloody plans, they might actually  be good.
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« Reply #21088 on: March 06, 2018, 20:04:35 pm »

I'd be keen to know what the Trust actually saw.
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« Reply #21089 on: March 06, 2018, 20:33:14 pm »

Could you please point me in the direction to find this, as I can't recall this.

I emailed the supporters trust on the 14th of February. I then got a reply off a member of the supporters stating that they did not see any plans.
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« Reply #21090 on: March 06, 2018, 20:37:31 pm »

The trust ageed that they were in the clubs best interests... As a member I dont recall being asked my opinion?
One mans best interests could be seen as a big bag of 5hite to the next?
Why have they gone all shy all of a sudden?
I thought they enjoyed sharing good news..
Just show the clubs fans and the folk of Northampton  bloody plans, they might actually  be good.


Don't you trust your trust?
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« Reply #21091 on: March 06, 2018, 21:18:27 pm »

Don't you trust your trust?
I believe they are all decent well meaning folk.
In the past one or two had a habit of getting a little to cozy to those who may have their own interests way above those of our club.. and maybe our 'best interests' are not even close to being served.
I fully believe they are made of sterner stuff these days and will fight our corner and wont have their pants pulled down.

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« Reply #21092 on: March 06, 2018, 21:28:08 pm »

For reference, here's the statement the Trust released at the time of the meeting with the council:

"Four representatives from the Trust met with NBC on Tuesday February 6 for discussion to discover what progress had been made since our last meeting with the authority in November.

"During this recent meeting the council were able to give a broad outline with regards to the development and the Sixfields lease.

"The Trust is confident that the proposals meet the long-term needs of football in Northampton.

"NBC told the Trust that the matter concerning the lease should reasonably be concluded by the end of March - so we are hoping for good news soon."


To add some context, I wasn't at the meeting - so I don't know exactly what was seen by the members who were present. We're having our monthly board meeting on Thursday evening where the meeting with NBC will be discussed along with the contents of that meeting. I expect to glean more information then.

My understanding though, although I will clarify this on Thursday, is that the plans that are being referred to were basically plans for the land - i.e where leases start and stop, who owns what, what is likely to be on that part of land. We haven't seen any artist's impressions or anything along those lines.

I don't think we've been helped here by semantics. The word 'plans' encompasses a whole lot of different meanings when it comes to planning!


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« Reply #21093 on: March 06, 2018, 21:35:18 pm »

I asked the supporters trust if they had seen any plans, and they stated that they had not. This was about a month ago just after their announcement on the eaststand.
For context, here's the email correspondence:

Yourself: Has the supporters trust seen the plans for the east stand, and if it holds the future plans of ntfc?
My reply on behalf of the Trust: No, we have not seen any plans as we don't believe any plans or artist's impressions have yet been made public by the football club. They may not even have been drawn up until the lease issue is sorted, which we have been told by the council 'should' be reasonably concluded by the end of March.

Again, perhaps been undone here by the vague wording of 'plans'. Most people tend to ask whether we've seen detailed drawings, and in hindsight I should have clarified exactly what you meant by that before answering.

So in short - we've seen details/maps of lease agreements, but my understanding is that we haven't seen any detailed drawings of how any scheme would look or artist's impressions. Again, I'll try and clarify this on Thursday evening.
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« Reply #21094 on: March 06, 2018, 21:42:46 pm »

The trust ageed that they were in the clubs best interests... As a member I dont recall being asked my opinion?
One mans best interests could be seen as a big bag of 5hite to the next?
We consult where we can, but we have to be realistic about these things.

If we effectively put this out to consultation, the question would be: What do you think about these lease issues that, because of some commercial sensitivity, we can't tell you that much about.

No-one's really in a position to give an informed opinion based on that information are they. The Trust board are democratically elected to take decisions when needed.

The beauty is that if you don't feel like we're sticking up for your best interests, you can kick us all off the board Grin

Effectively it does indeed boil down to trust. And while we're far from perfect, every decision we take has the club's best interests at heart.
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« Reply #21095 on: March 06, 2018, 23:00:17 pm »



Effectively it does indeed boil down to trust. And while we're far from perfect, every decision we take has the club's best interests at heart.
Its all well and good sitting back and being very trusting of the trusts best intentions to fight for the very best for our Football club but surley you need to give those you're representing an idea as to what you honestly  believe to be the best for our club and not what the outside consortium tell you is a good deal. There has been imo some blatant down playing our clubs urgently needed redevelopment that had my alarm bells ringing and all this cloak and dagger, cryptic announcements with zero substance doesn't make it easy to sit back and be trusting.
Does anyone know how far off the mark I am with what I believe is the major issues based on guess work and speculation?
How many acres are there within these land leases?
Is there a rough idea as to the value of land leases with planning permission?
If we were to be offered a colossal '4m' to just fit out a dozen boxes/ resturant/bar as KT alluded to,
  which is only about 2m worth of you dont go 5 star with gold fitting and fixtures, can we use the other 2m to extend the ground capacity? Thus maximising this opportunity.
What qualifies those as experts in putting forward whats best for us?
Will the council be guided by the trust as to our needs and dont allow them to again unconditionally hand over land leases that sees the club short changed of its share of adjacent council owned land.
Will the trust ask the hard questions without fear of upsetting the consortium?
Have we already blown it?
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« Reply #21096 on: March 06, 2018, 23:09:47 pm »

If you haven't realised already that we've already blown it thanks to Cardoza then you're a lot thicker than I realised.

James, thanks for clarifying.
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« Reply #21097 on: March 07, 2018, 00:06:19 am »

Its all well and good sitting back and being very trusting of the trusts best intentions to fight for the very best for our Football club but surley you need to give those you're representing an idea as to what you honestly  believe to be the best for our club and not what the outside consortium tell you is a good deal. There has been imo some blatant down playing our clubs urgently needed redevelopment that had my alarm bells ringing and all this cloak and dagger, cryptic announcements with zero substance doesn't make it easy to sit back and be trusting.
Does anyone know how far off the mark I am with what I believe is the major issues based on guess work and speculation?
How many acres are there within these land leases?
Is there a rough idea as to the value of land leases with planning permission?
If we were to be offered a colossal '4m' to just fit out a dozen boxes/ resturant/bar as KT alluded to,
  which is only about 2m worth of you dont go 5 star with gold fitting and fixtures, can we use the other 2m to extend the ground capacity? Thus maximising this opportunity.
What qualifies those as experts in putting forward whats best for us?
Will the council be guided by the trust as to our needs and dont allow them to again unconditionally hand over land leases that sees the club short changed of its share of adjacent council owned land.
Will the trust ask the hard questions without fear of upsetting the consortium?
Have we already blown it?

Everything posted on here, by the Trust recently, has come from NBC. We haven't met with " the outside consortium" at all, so we don't know what they think is a good deal or not.
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« Reply #21098 on: March 07, 2018, 08:36:36 am »

The outside consortium sound very odd to me!
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« Reply #21099 on: March 07, 2018, 09:04:15 am »

Its all well and good sitting back and being very trusting of the trusts best intentions to fight for the very best for our Football club but surley you need to give those you're representing an idea as to what you honestly  believe to be the best for our club and not what the outside consortium tell you is a good deal. There has been imo some blatant down playing our clubs urgently needed redevelopment that had my alarm bells ringing and all this cloak and dagger, cryptic announcements with zero substance doesn't make it easy to sit back and be trusting.
Does anyone know how far off the mark I am with what I believe is the major issues based on guess work and speculation?
How many acres are there within these land leases?
Is there a rough idea as to the value of land leases with planning permission?
If we were to be offered a colossal '4m' to just fit out a dozen boxes/ resturant/bar as KT alluded to,
  which is only about 2m worth of you dont go 5 star with gold fitting and fixtures, can we use the other 2m to extend the ground capacity? Thus maximising this opportunity.
What qualifies those as experts in putting forward whats best for us?
Will the council be guided by the trust as to our needs and dont allow them to again unconditionally hand over land leases that sees the club short changed of its share of adjacent council owned land.
Will the trust ask the hard questions without fear of upsetting the consortium?
Have we already blown it?

You have plenty of time on your hands for discussing these issues on here Beds, why not join the Trust and help them out? That way you can ensure that they are working in YOUR best interests.
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